Pre-historic humans.....or just Burning Man 2023??

[HeavyAssault]

Footprints found at ancient lake in New Mexico challenge old belief of first humans in Americas

New research finds that humans might have first entered the New World not over the Bering land bridge between Russia and Alaska, but thousands of years earlier.

www.foxnews.com

 

[Ronws]

Or, it could have been a burning man event back then.

 

[HeavyAssault]

Or, it could have been a burning man event back then.

Given it was only foot prints found, I'm pretty sure there was no stop-drop-n-roll training back then.

 

[mvphilly]

Or it could be Encino Man. Weeze the juice buddy.

 

[sirhrmechanic]

NOVA, I think, did a great episode on this earlier in the year.

Other than the mandatory mention of “Climate Change” which must appear in every episode… it was a good watch.

NOVA remains the only decent thing left on PBS… but of course every ‘scientist’ interviewed is a non-binary Bantu that identifies as a capybara…

Science is turning up a lot of cool stuff in the last 20 years if the Climate religion idiots would stay out of it. They are worse than 15th century popes!

The guy who invented dendrochronology should get a Nobel Prize, imho. That science has done more to unravel history and archeology and demographics and myriad other sciences than anything since carbon-14 dating and DNA analysis. Brilliant stuff.

The movement and geographic dispersion of hominids is definitely not settled science. And the new discoveries are very cool!

Sirhr

PS… NOVA is still funded by the Koch foundation. The lefties despise the Koch’s. But take their money in buckets full to underwrite their little Public Broadcasting golden goose and propaganda machine! Maybe that’s why NOVA has not yet gone full retard.

 

[lonegunman762x51]

The funny thing is that it is all but proved there was advanced society on this planet between neolithic man and cavemen. Stories of Alantis are one part of it and there are dozens of sites around the planet that include advanced construction and astrological observatories and pyramids that were constructed all over the planet and thousands of years before previously thought. They do not fit the current socialist models for civilization that make white people evil and Indians the great saviors of civilizations.

In Kennewick Washington, in 1996, a human male skeleton was discovered that pre-dated native Americans. The local tribes immediately lost their shit and started suing the shit out of everyone to stop scientific research on the remains. This man was attacked by what would eventually be called a native American and the attack left a spear point jammed in his pelvis. His diet was mostly seals and water dwelling mammals and his water was mostly glacial melt water, this was all determined by the isotopes in his bones. He looked Japanese according to his physical features.

The Injuns all went ape-shit because they want to be the first Americans. In the last 30 years this horseshit has been proven utterly false but in the 1990's they were scared to death to lose their budding casino business if people realized modern natives are just another wave of assholes finding America.

 

[sirhrmechanic]

Just remember that Monday is Norse True discoverers of America day.

Screw the dirty Skralings!

Sirhr

 

[Bender]

Science is never “settled” we are much older and more complex than imagined

 

[Bender]

 

[Zolar]

all from a footprint

 

[DarnYankeeUSMC]

all from a footprint

And an imagination, sometimes enhanced by LSD or other mind alternating substance

 

[Mudburner]

The funny thing is that it is all but proved there was advanced society on this planet between neolithic man and cavemen. Stories of Alantis are one part of it and there are dozens of sites around the planet that include advanced construction and astrological observatories and pyramids that were constructed all over the planet and thousands of years before previously thought. They do not fit the current socialist models for civilization that make white people evil and Indians the great saviors of civilizations.

In Kennewick Washington, in 1996, a human male skeleton was discovered that pre-dated native Americans. The local tribes immediately lost their shit and started suing the shit out of everyone to stop scientific research on the remains. This man was attacked by what would eventually be called a native American and the attack left a spear point jammed in his pelvis. His diet was mostly seals and water dwelling mammals and his water was mostly glacial melt water, this was all determined by the isotopes in his bones. He looked Japanese according to his physical features.

The Injuns all went ape-shit because they want to be the first Americans. In the last 30 years this horseshit has been proven utterly false but in the 1990's they were scared to death to lose their budding casino business if people realized modern natives are just another wave of assholes finding America.

I find stuff like this interesting.

I attended a lecture given by Smithsonian forensic anthropologist Dr. Doug Owsley who talked about Kennewick man. He had opportunity to examine the bones in detail. His presentation was totally fascinating.

The remains, called Kennewick Man, were indeed initially determined to be consistant with "Hairy Ainu" people of Northern Japan. Mostly from detailed examination of the skull, teeth & isotopes taken from the teeth, they determined Kennewick man was a seagoing/coastal eating type, who survived being stabbed in the hip with a spear (the bone had grown around the point), a crushed chest, and other serious injuries...

Mr Owsley ended his presentation by giving the latest information: a DNA lab in Denmark had concluded that the remains were most closely related to the modern Native Americans living in the NorthWest. Mr Owsley's reaction to that? "That's BULLSHIT!" (A direct quote. I was sitting right next to him.)

 

[charbroiled]

Science is turning up a lot of cool stuff in the last 20 years if the Climate religion idiots would stay out of it.

Based on what I've seen from the global, vitriolic censorship of professional observation, methods based research and unbiased reporting on the fauci flu, there is no more "science".

It's all propaganda with a purpose.

Over the last 20 years, scientific research has been funded and entirely directed by the folks with the money wanting to make more money. There is no longer an independent scientific community going where no man has gone before. Widely published research in the major journals is only being done to support THE narrative.

 

[Jaron3]

We have radio carbon dates at 21,000 years ago in south western Pennsylvania on woven basketry. This is not new news. People have been in North America far longer than we know.

 

[wvfarrier]

Anthropology....the science of guessing

 

[cas6969]

Science and medicine, guessing in a white coat.

 

[Jgunner]

Anybody think that they could not be footprints, but carvings of footprints?

 

[sirhrmechanic]

Based on what I've seen from the global, vitriolic censorship of professional observation, methods based research and unbiased reporting on the fauci flu, there is no more "science".

It's all propaganda with a purpose.

Over the last 20 years, scientific research has been funded and entirely directed by the folks with the money wanting to make more money. There is no longer an independent scientific community going where no man has gone before. Widely published research in the major journals is only being done to support THE narrative.

So on my trip up to L'Anse aux Meadows, I had an idea for a paper and started doing some research... There is a site up on the Northern Shore of Lake Ontario where Norse iron nails/spikes have been discovered. Maybe signs of their presence exploring. Maybe signs of trading with the Natives (Canadians call then 'first peoples... Bullshit.) We call them "Native Americans"... also Bullshit. They migrated from someplace else.

Anyway, there are people stating that the discovery and archaeology looking into the Norse sites deeper in North America (up the St. Lawrence) represents "Cultural Appropriation." WTF? How can finding evidence of European explorers far inland... In the place where vines and butternuts flourished... be "Cultural Appropriation?"

These "Indian Activists" are nothing more than that. They are the legacy of the 1960's Indian Identity movement... spurred on by that idiot Billy Jack and retarded socialist histories portraying them as living in some kind of idyllic paradise with no ownership of land and communing with the plants and the bugs until mean old white men came along to give them smallpox blankets (which almost certainly never happened.) Today, there are generations of brainwashed, alchoholic, reservation-dwellers waiting for free shit from the government and expecting that "Their day will come" and they will be back living on the plains in wigwams in some kind of utopian paradise.

Here's the stuff that these folks forget... Huge deaths at childbirth. Huge youth death. The slightest infected cut and you died. Disease from venereal disease to giardia to worms to hanta were rampant. They captured and sold slaves. Yup... SLAVES!! (Fuck you Kevin Costner)... Kicking Bird who you were boning was a SLAVE." They tortured enemies. They killed each other in raids. They didn't use every part of the fucking buffalo... running whole herds of them off cliffs... was more meat than a band could process, store and consume. Period end of story. (The herds were just big enough that tribes could not make a dent in them.) They were territorial and tribal. They migrated and killed off the tribes whose land they invaded (Them Teton Sioux were assholes). They had life expectancies in their 30's. Girls were pregnant by the time they were 14 or 15. Life was dirty, short, violent, disease-ridden, cold, hot, bug-eaten and incredibly primitive. They were not living in an eco-paradise!

Ask the Indian Activist college professors how many years they could live on the plains like it was 1491... And the answer is they would die in weeks. But they go to fucking sweat lodges and sit in ghey-assed drum circles chanting peyote-contrived bullshit while wearing head-dresses before heading back to their campus McMansions and thinking that they can appreciate what pre-civilization was like after a weekend of running through the woods in a loin cloth... and ending the day with a nice shower.

It's all made up. It's all revisionist socialist crap designed to make the people who hacked a world out of a wilderness feel bad and hand over everything they earn because they pity the "poor Injuns." It's all, again, about victim culture. Just like the fraction of the 13 percent who were actually descended from slaves. The Mexicans (who are almost all European, not Aztek, Maya and Mosquito-descended). The fucking Bantu.... everyone who wants free shit and can sucker a commie overly-empathetic mentally-ill guilt-ridden "Grew up in Suburbia" PhD who probably only became a Doctor of History to avoid going to Vietnam.

Fuck all those morons and their Bullshit 'Histories.' And their suppression of research that doesn't fit a socialist narrative. And their 'white PhD' guilt. And the 'foundations' funding their research with an expectation of results that fit a paid-for narrative.

The 'science' is pointing in interesting directions. Interesting and valuable for ALL humanity. If the activists don't quash it for their personal gain. Hell, half the so-called 'historians' out there make Al Sharpton look like he was a grand Kleagle... when it comes to 'baiting for personal gain.' [/rant]

Sirhr

 

[Zolar]

Just like every profession, some scientists are in it for the money. And that’s all that matters to them.

 

[Ronws]

So on my trip up to L'Anse aux Meadows, I had an idea for a paper and started doing some research... There is a site up on the Northern Shore of Lake Ontario where Norse iron nails/spikes have been discovered. Maybe signs of their presence exploring. Maybe signs of trading with the Natives (Canadians call then 'first peoples... Bullshit.) We call them "Native Americans"... also Bullshit. They migrated from someplace else.

Anyway, there are people stating that the discovery and archaeology looking into the Norse sites deeper in North America (up the St. Lawrence) represents "Cultural Appropriation." WTF? How can finding evidence of European explorers far inland... In the place where vines and butternuts flourished... be "Cultural Appropriation?"

These "Indian Activists" are nothing more than that. They are the legacy of the 1960's Indian Identity movement... spurred on by that idiot Billy Jack and retarded socialist histories portraying them as living in some kind of idyllic paradise with no ownership of land and communing with the plants and the bugs until mean old white men came along to give them smallpox blankets (which almost certainly never happened.) Today, there are generations of brainwashed, alchoholic, reservation-dwellers waiting for free shit from the government and expecting that "Their day will come" and they will be back living on the plains in wigwams in some kind of utopian paradise.

Here's the stuff that these folks forget... Huge deaths at childbirth. Huge youth death. The slightest infected cut and you died. Disease from venereal disease to giardia to worms to hanta were rampant. They captured and sold slaves. Yup... SLAVES!! (Fuck you Kevin Costner)... Kicking Bird who you were boning was a SLAVE." They tortured enemies. They killed each other in raids. They didn't use every part of the fucking buffalo... running whole herds of them off cliffs... was more meat than a band could process, store and consume. Period end of story. (The herds were just big enough that tribes could not make a dent in them.) They were territorial and tribal. They migrated and killed off the tribes whose land they invaded (Them Teton Sioux were assholes). They had life expectancies in their 30's. Girls were pregnant by the time they were 14 or 15. Life was dirty, short, violent, disease-ridden, cold, hot, bug-eaten and incredibly primitive. They were not living in an eco-paradise!

Ask the Indian Activist college professors how many years they could live on the plains like it was 1491... And the answer is they would die in weeks. But they go to fucking sweat lodges and sit in ghey-assed drum circles chanting peyote-contrived bullshit while wearing head-dresses before heading back to their campus McMansions and thinking that they can appreciate what pre-civilization was like after a weekend of running through the woods in a loin cloth... and ending the day with a nice shower.

It's all made up. It's all revisionist socialist crap designed to make the people who hacked a world out of a wilderness feel bad and hand over everything they earn because they pity the "poor Injuns." It's all, again, about victim culture. Just like the fraction of the 13 percent who were actually descended from slaves. The Mexicans (who are almost all European, not Aztek, Maya and Mosquito-descended). The fucking Bantu.... everyone who wants free shit and can sucker a commie overly-empathetic mentally-ill guilt-ridden "Grew up in Suburbia" PhD who probably only became a Doctor of History to avoid going to Vietnam.

Fuck all those morons and their Bullshit 'Histories.' And their suppression of research that doesn't fit a socialist narrative. And their 'white PhD' guilt. And the 'foundations' funding their research with an expectation of results that fit a paid-for narrative.

The 'science' is pointing in interesting directions. Interesting and valuable for ALL humanity. If the activists don't quash it for their personal gain. Hell, half the so-called 'historians' out there make Al Sharpton look like he was a grand Kleagle... when it comes to 'baiting for personal gain.' [/rant]

Sirhr

Amen.

 

[HeavyAssault]

Science is never “settled” we are much older and more complex than imagined

Not because of this post, but I watched that whole movie/documentary. Pretty amazing all in all. I still have my own questions, but I'm just thinking.

 

[lonegunman762x51]

I find stuff like this interesting.

I attended a lecture given by Smithsonian forensic anthropologist Dr. Doug Owsley who talked about Kennewick man. He had opportunity to examine the bones in detail. His presentation was totally fascinating.

The remains, called Kennewick Man, were indeed initially determined to be consistant with "Hairy Ainu" people of Northern Japan. Mostly from detailed examination of the skull, teeth & isotopes taken from the teeth, they determined Kennewick man was a seagoing/coastal eating type, who survived being stabbed in the hip with a spear (the bone had grown around the point), a crushed chest, and other serious injuries...

Mr Owsley ended his presentation by giving the latest information: a DNA lab in Denmark had concluded that the remains were most closely related to the modern Native Americans living in the NorthWest. Mr Owsley's reaction to that? "That's BULLSHIT!" (A direct quote. I was sitting right next to him.)

The sad joke that is Denmark did the fake DNA testing. Woke leftists find woke conclusions and ignore facts 99.99999999%of the time.

 

[armorpl8chikn]

They've found soft tissue in dinosaur fossils...so....science.
If you believe you evolved from an ape, you probably did.

 

[Ronws]

They've found soft tissue in dinosaur fossils...so....science.
If you believe you evolved from an ape, you probably did.

Actually, that explains a lot of what I see in the world today. I think some people are descended from apes. And not too long ago, either.

Fortunately, I was not.

 

[wade2big]

They've found soft tissue in dinosaur fossils...so....science.
If you believe you evolved from an ape, you probably did.

Let me guess, the world is 10,000 years old.

 

[Ronws]

Let me guess, the world is 10,000 years old.

My mother said it best, when we were going through the Holy Bible for probably the third time (I have read that book more than some people who have been to church all of their lives.)

One day, religion and science can walk hand in hand. It is arrogant of Man to assume that God's single day is equivalent to our 24 hour day.

Yes, that means the Creation story could have some slippery timing. No more slippery, however, than the Big Bang Theory.

One of my favorite examples of hypocrisy and irony.

Godless scientist - "There is no God. The Universe started with a big bang from a small point that did not exist before."

Wait....what?

 

[armorpl8chikn]

One day, religion and science can walk hand in hand. It is arrogant of Man to assume that God's single day is equivalent to our 24 hour day.

Even if God wrote it in stone on a tablet?

 

[wade2big]

My mother said it best, when we were going through the Holy Bible for probably the third time (I have read that book more than some people who have been to church all of their lives.)

One day, religion and science can walk hand in hand. It is arrogant of Man to assume that God's single day is equivalent to our 24 hour day.

Yes, that means the Creation story could have some slippery timing. No more slippery, however, than the Big Bang Theory.

One of my favorite examples of hypocrisy and irony.

Godless scientist - "There is no God. The Universe started with a big bang from a small point that did not exist before."

Wait....what?

It’s mind numbing to think about. Who created God if he exists or did he always just exist? Who/what created the universe if God doesn’t exist or did the universe always just exist?

I’m not a believer in the bible or any of man’s religions for the matter. Whether or not God exists, that’s an entirely different question and one I can’t answer. Nobody can for sure and only con men pretend they not only can but can also understand his will and reasoning.

 

[sirhrmechanic]

There is nothing in science that says there can’t be a god…

But much of what is also represented as coming from Gods comes from men seeking power and wealth…

Einstein believed strongly in a creator and said “God does not play dice with the universe”

Stephen Hawking believed in a god, though later had doubts.

One of the great creators of the field of Cosmology was a Catholic priest named Georges LeMaitre… he corrected one of Einstein’s equations and Einstein called his correction “one of the most beautiful things I have ever seen.”

God and science are not mutually exclusive. Just beware the man who tries to refute science solely in the name of A God. Because they probably have ulterior motives.

Sirhr

 

[mosin46]

ulterior motives? of course-power,control and wealth. religion seeks the same things as does the state.

 

[EddieNFL]

I have yet to make the transition from indian to native American. Think I'll just go with "Maybes."

 

[supercorndogs]

The funny thing is that it is all but proved there was advanced society on this planet between neolithic man and cavemen. Stories of Alantis are one part of it and there are dozens of sites around the planet that include advanced construction and astrological observatories and pyramids that were constructed all over the planet and thousands of years before previously thought. They do not fit the current socialist models for civilization that make white people evil and Indians the great saviors of civilizations.

In Kennewick Washington, in 1996, a human male skeleton was discovered that pre-dated native Americans. The local tribes immediately lost their shit and started suing the shit out of everyone to stop scientific research on the remains. This man was attacked by what would eventually be called a native American and the attack left a spear point jammed in his pelvis. His diet was mostly seals and water dwelling mammals and his water was mostly glacial melt water, this was all determined by the isotopes in his bones. He looked Japanese according to his physical features.

The Injuns all went ape-shit because they want to be the first Americans. In the last 30 years this horseshit has been proven utterly false but in the 1990's they were scared to death to lose their budding casino business if people realized modern natives are just another wave of assholes finding America.

They claim from the DNA testing, that Kennewick man was native american.

I don't know if anyone else has seen this, but I believe it was in Tanzania they just found some logs notched together to build a structure kind of like a log cabin they claim are 450,000 years old.

 

[supercorndogs]

So on my trip up to L'Anse aux Meadows, I had an idea for a paper and started doing some research... There is a site up on the Northern Shore of Lake Ontario where Norse iron nails/spikes have been discovered. Maybe signs of their presence exploring. Maybe signs of trading with the Natives (Canadians call then 'first peoples... Bullshit.) We call them "Native Americans"... also Bullshit. They migrated from someplace else.

Anyway, there are people stating that the discovery and archaeology looking into the Norse sites deeper in North America (up the St. Lawrence) represents "Cultural Appropriation." WTF? How can finding evidence of European explorers far inland... In the place where vines and butternuts flourished... be "Cultural Appropriation?"

These "Indian Activists" are nothing more than that. They are the legacy of the 1960's Indian Identity movement... spurred on by that idiot Billy Jack and retarded socialist histories portraying them as living in some kind of idyllic paradise with no ownership of land and communing with the plants and the bugs until mean old white men came along to give them smallpox blankets (which almost certainly never happened.) Today, there are generations of brainwashed, alchoholic, reservation-dwellers waiting for free shit from the government and expecting that "Their day will come" and they will be back living on the plains in wigwams in some kind of utopian paradise.

Here's the stuff that these folks forget... Huge deaths at childbirth. Huge youth death. The slightest infected cut and you died. Disease from venereal disease to giardia to worms to hanta were rampant. They captured and sold slaves. Yup... SLAVES!! (Fuck you Kevin Costner)... Kicking Bird who you were boning was a SLAVE." They tortured enemies. They killed each other in raids. They didn't use every part of the fucking buffalo... running whole herds of them off cliffs... was more meat than a band could process, store and consume. Period end of story. (The herds were just big enough that tribes could not make a dent in them.) They were territorial and tribal. They migrated and killed off the tribes whose land they invaded (Them Teton Sioux were assholes). They had life expectancies in their 30's. Girls were pregnant by the time they were 14 or 15. Life was dirty, short, violent, disease-ridden, cold, hot, bug-eaten and incredibly primitive. They were not living in an eco-paradise!

Ask the Indian Activist college professors how many years they could live on the plains like it was 1491... And the answer is they would die in weeks. But they go to fucking sweat lodges and sit in ghey-assed drum circles chanting peyote-contrived bullshit while wearing head-dresses before heading back to their campus McMansions and thinking that they can appreciate what pre-civilization was like after a weekend of running through the woods in a loin cloth... and ending the day with a nice shower.

It's all made up. It's all revisionist socialist crap designed to make the people who hacked a world out of a wilderness feel bad and hand over everything they earn because they pity the "poor Injuns." It's all, again, about victim culture. Just like the fraction of the 13 percent who were actually descended from slaves. The Mexicans (who are almost all European, not Aztek, Maya and Mosquito-descended). The fucking Bantu.... everyone who wants free shit and can sucker a commie overly-empathetic mentally-ill guilt-ridden "Grew up in Suburbia" PhD who probably only became a Doctor of History to avoid going to Vietnam.

Fuck all those morons and their Bullshit 'Histories.' And their suppression of research that doesn't fit a socialist narrative. And their 'white PhD' guilt. And the 'foundations' funding their research with an expectation of results that fit a paid-for narrative.

The 'science' is pointing in interesting directions. Interesting and valuable for ALL humanity. If the activists don't quash it for their personal gain. Hell, half the so-called 'historians' out there make Al Sharpton look like he was a grand Kleagle... when it comes to 'baiting for personal gain.' [/rant]

Sirhr

I know a couple place with Ogham writings carved in rocks.

The Anubis Caves: Prehistory in the Oklahoma Panhandle - Historic Mysteries

Hidden in a cave in Oklahoma are some strange markings. Some claim to be able to read them, and that they prove Europe came to America far earlier than thought.

www.historicmysteries.com

Anubis cave is not far from crack cave, it also marks the equinox. I know another cave with Ogham writing on private land. I haven't been there since I was a teenager and the person I knew leasing it stopped. I would like to get permission to checkout it again, but land owner has yet to give me permission when asked. Crack cave is around 50 miles from Anubus cave, this other cave is around 50 miles from crack cave.

 

[diggler1833]

I trust very little "science". Who funded the study? What agenda do they have? Why is everything contradictory to their "science" get shouted down and attempted to be silenced/erased like a blue hair at a pro-life event?

I thought the greed (money/power) behind science was pretty obvious after theses past couple years.

 

[armorpl8chikn]

I trust very little "science". Who funded the study? What agenda do they have? Why is everything contradictory to their "science" get shouted down and attempted to be silenced/erased like a blue hair at a pro-life event?

I thought the greed (money/power) behind science was pretty obvious after theses past couple years.

Because science finally proved the Bible is a historically accurate document.

Look up mitochondrial Eve.
Oh and the degeneration of our DNA.
They know the truth. They know our genome is between 6 and 7k years old.

 

[EddieNFL]

I trust very little "science". Who funded the study? What agenda do they have? Why is everything contradictory to their "science" get shouted down and attempted to be silenced/erased like a blue hair at a pro-life event?

I thought the greed (money/power) behind science was pretty obvious after theses past couple years.

- Paluxy River basin
- Piltdown Man
- Lucy

 

[TexPatriot]

If the tracks pre-date what archeologist thought was humanoids first arrival to the Americas by thousands of years, why couldn't they still have come over the Bering Strait?

Those toes with the big toes stuck out have obviously never seen a pair of shoes, kinda like the illegal alien women in flip flops standing in line at Bank of America.

 

[diggler1833]

What if...just what if...their method of dating isn't accurate. I understand their philosophy behind it - but how do you scientifically prove their theory?

I'm skeptical since we have clocks found inside rock, and S. American cultures painting frigging dinosaurs on pottery etc...

I always got a kick out of people who were "experts" on what dinosaurs looked like.

 

[sirhrmechanic]

Because science finally proved the Bible is a historically accurate document.

Look up mitochondrial Eve.
Oh and the degeneration of our DNA.
They know the truth. They know our genome is between 6 and 7k years old.

I think there is little doubt that the Bible is an historically-accurate document within limits... They are, as described, Testaments. Not documentaries. They are people essentially testifying to events. But many of these events took place over hundreds, if not thousands of years. Some are buried deep in the memory of the human psyche and have been tales and parables told since the time of the earliest humans as they became self-aware and worked out ways to explain their existance.

Flood stories occur in every culture and tradition. Why? Because floods are recurring events that are often 'slate wipers.' The Biblical Plagues have been explained rather well by science. There was a prophet named Jesus and he was likely a wise and well-spoken man with great charisma. The Bible is utterly rooted in history.

That said, it is also filled with parable, metaphor and some things that are 'scientifically' questionable, but utterly fit in with human memory, myth and oral traditions. Taking every word literally is not how it should be read... taking its lessons to heart are exactly what it is intended to do. The Bible (and 'most' religious texts) capture the organizing principles of humankind. To live together and grow as part of a civilization, one must follow the basic precepts that are outlined in the Bible and other texts.
Do those have to come from a Diety? Certainly not. But if you want people to follow those principles, it certainly helps to call them laws from on high and passed down by a higher power. Add in some brimstone to create a carrot and a stick... and you have the basis of rules that allow civilizations the world over to flourish!

Hey, I'm not religious. Point blank, I am an atheist. I believe in the laws of physics. BUT... unlike the blue hair, nose-ring, leftist devil-promoting non-binary freaks... who want Freedom From Religion, not Freedom For Religion... I completely support religion and the concept of higher powers. It's the basis of Western and Eastern success and for those who believe, I applaud and respect and support you. We need religion. We are a poorer nation for losing our faith and trying to rely too much on reason.

That said, those who are opposing and trying to destroy religion are the definition of evil. A religious concept perhaps? But the logical in me says... no, evil destroys societies and accomplishments and prevents people from achieving the great things they can unleash when they are free.

Well, back to watching Evil unleashed on the world in the ME. I hope this turns Biblical for the abba dabbas. It's time they got exterminated in droves.

Sirhr

 

[mosin46]

read "the bible unearthed" by a couple of jewish/isralei archeologists.

 

[spelled right]

The Bible....A guide to the supernatural

 

[Ronws]

There was a prophet named Jesus and he was likely a wise and well-spoken man with great charisma. The Bible is utterly rooted in history.

Sirhr

Slight correction. Jesus was not a prophet. He was a rabbi. Technically of the Essene branch. Descended of the house of David.

There is some anecdotal reason to think that he existed, aside from faith. "Holy Blood, Holy Grail"
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and the follow-up book "The Messianic Legacy."

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Even though one of the authors refuses to lend any credence to the theory, the long story short is that there is a secret society that started with the Priori de Sion that started not too far from Jerusalem. This secret society had the ability to influence kings and others with a secret. A treasure that was carried on the back of one man during one escape down the side of a mountain.

Essentially, going back to the Priori de Sion led back to Jerusalem about 2,300 years ago.

So, they approached from another angle and read the story that started around that time.

Jesus was a rabbi. Of the Essene school, which explains his simple clothes and a few other things.

A big and important event is the wedding at Canaan. Because of what his mother says, this was likely the wedding of Jesus. It was the groom's responsibility to see to the catering. She tells him they are out of wine. He barks back, "have one of the maids do it. (translated.)"

The likely bride was the one woman well connected to him. Mary of Magdalene. She was not a pro, she was the daughter of a wealthy family.

The only problem and kink in this is that the romans were OCD about keeping records. And there is no record of the execution of Jeshua of Nazareth (born in Bethlehem.)

As a rabbi, he would be expected to be married and have children. "The Last Temptation of Christ" is fanciful and a good movie but not necessarily historically accurate, BTW.

So, here is Jeshua, legitimately of the House of David and therefore, heir apparent to the Throne of Jerusalem. Which is a problem because they are occupied by the romans and not equipped to throw out the romans. This also upset the entrenched rabbis who had a nice little niche getting along with the romans. And they did not need a political bomb upsetting it.

Things got so heated that Jesus had to get gone. And faked his own death. Some of the apocrypha, testaments excluded from the Bible at the council of Nicae, mentioned that the crucifixion happened on the private property of the guy known as Joseph of Aramethea. And that crowds were not allowed to get close.

So, Jesus and Mary and their children escape and sail around the Mediterranean and land finally in the southern type of Gaul and then the children married into one of the established family lines, the Merovingians. Here is a fun thought. Somewhere near Paris, France today exists a living descendant of Jesus Christ. Who would be heir apparent to the Throne of Jerusalem. A messiah, as in, a priest-king.

That could cause a problem. Even now with Israel at war with Hamas.

None of this proves or disproves the physical existence of Jesus, God, or even mono-theism.

Just wanted to clarify that He was/is not a prophet.

 

[sirhrmechanic]

Slight correction. Jesus was not a prophet. He was a rabbi. Technically of the Essene branch. Descended of the house of David.

There is some anecdotal reason to think that he existed, aside from faith. "Holy Blood, Holy Grail"
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and the follow-up book "The Messianic Legacy."

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Even though one of the authors refuses to lend any credence to the theory, the long story short is that there is a secret society that started with the Priori de Sion that started not too far from Jerusalem. This secret society had the ability to influence kings and others with a secret. A treasure that was carried on the back of one man during one escape down the side of a mountain.

Essentially, going back to the Priori de Sion led back to Jerusalem about 2,300 years ago.

So, they approached from another angle and read the story that started around that time.

Jesus was a rabbi. Of the Essene school, which explains his simple clothes and a few other things.

A big and important event is the wedding at Canaan. Because of what his mother says, this was likely the wedding of Jesus. It was the groom's responsibility to see to the catering. She tells him they are out of wine. He barks back, "have one of the maids do it. (translated.)"

The likely bride was the one woman well connected to him. Mary of Magdalene. She was not a pro, she was the daughter of a wealthy family.

The only problem and kink in this is that the romans were OCD about keeping records. And there is no record of the execution of Jeshua of Nazareth (born in Bethlehem.)

As a rabbi, he would be expected to be married and have children. "The Last Temptation of Christ" is fanciful and a good movie but not necessarily historically accurate, BTW.

So, here is Jeshua, legitimately of the House of David and therefore, heir apparent to the Throne of Jerusalem. Which is a problem because they are occupied by the romans and not equipped to throw out the romans. This also upset the entrenched rabbis who had a nice little niche getting along with the romans. And they did not need a political bomb upsetting it.

Things got so heated that Jesus had to get gone. And faked his own death. Some of the apocrypha, testaments excluded from the Bible at the council of Nicae, mentioned that the crucifixion happened on the private property of the guy known as Joseph of Aramethea. And that crowds were not allowed to get close.

So, Jesus and Mary and their children escape and sail around the Mediterranean and land finally in the southern type of Gaul and then the children married into one of the established family lines, the Merovingians. Here is a fun thought. Somewhere near Paris, France today exists a living descendant of Jesus Christ. Who would be heir apparent to the Throne of Jerusalem. A messiah, as in, a priest-king.

That could cause a problem. Even now with Israel at war with Hamas.

None of this proves or disproves the physical existence of Jesus, God, or even mono-theism.

Just wanted to clarify that He was/is not a prophet.

An interesting take... Does that not follow on the thinking of Dan Brown and those who subscribe to the Sang Real theory?

And is it not fair arguing that the Old Testament Folks don't think he was a prophet... but the New Testament folks do regard him as one? Did he not fulfill the role of Prophet predicted in the Old Testament... to those who compiled/wrote the "New" testament! They believed it... whether he played the role or not?

Not a theologist... though have read all the various texts at one time or another. But not deeply.

So interested in the supposition! Or course the whole "How many Angels can dance on the head of a pin" result of such discussions can be fraught with peril in polite society ;-) They sometimes lead to strapping on semtex tuxedos and launching rockets at peace festivals! ;-)

Cheers,

Sirhr

 

[Ronws]

An interesting take... Does that not follow on the thinking of Dan Brown and those who subscribe to the Sang Real theory?

And is it not fair arguing that the Old Testament Folks don't think he was a prophet... but the New Testament folks do regard him as one? Did he not fulfill the role of Prophet predicted in the Old Testament... to those who compiled/wrote the "New" testament! They believed it... whether he played the role or not?

Not a theologist... though have read all the various texts at one time or another. But not deeply.

So interested in the supposition! Or course the whole "How many Angels can dance on the head of a pin" result of such discussions can be fraught with peril in polite society ;-) They sometimes lead to strapping on semtex tuxedos and launching rockets at peace festivals! ;-)

Cheers,

Sirhr

Yes, I know about the misunderstanding of the french phrase for royal blood (sang royal.) Jesus quoted prophets of the past but did not present himself as a prophet. And He was good at word-play.

"Are you the son of God?"

"It is you who say that I am."

He was not predicted to be a prophet, that I can recall. In fact, the prophet John predicted a man would come along who's shoes he was not worthy to touch. John did not refer to him as a prophet.

He was predicted to be the messiah, the priest-king. And that he would be the son of God. I know that muslims and others call him a prophet. They will call him anything but the son of God or heir to the throne of Jerusalem.

So, you are welcome to call him a prophet, if that so pleases you. If others have called him a prophet, that is fine, too.

 

[TmisterE]

So on my trip up to L'Anse aux Meadows, I had an idea for a paper and started doing some research... There is a site up on the Northern Shore of Lake Ontario where Norse iron nails/spikes have been discovered. Maybe signs of their presence exploring. Maybe signs of trading with the Natives (Canadians call then 'first peoples... Bullshit.) We call them "Native Americans"... also Bullshit. They migrated from someplace else.

Anyway, there are people stating that the discovery and archaeology looking into the Norse sites deeper in North America (up the St. Lawrence) represents "Cultural Appropriation." WTF? How can finding evidence of European explorers far inland... In the place where vines and butternuts flourished... be "Cultural Appropriation?"

These "Indian Activists" are nothing more than that. They are the legacy of the 1960's Indian Identity movement... spurred on by that idiot Billy Jack and retarded socialist histories portraying them as living in some kind of idyllic paradise with no ownership of land and communing with the plants and the bugs until mean old white men came along to give them smallpox blankets (which almost certainly never happened.) Today, there are generations of brainwashed, alchoholic, reservation-dwellers waiting for free shit from the government and expecting that "Their day will come" and they will be back living on the plains in wigwams in some kind of utopian paradise.

Here's the stuff that these folks forget... Huge deaths at childbirth. Huge youth death. The slightest infected cut and you died. Disease from venereal disease to giardia to worms to hanta were rampant. They captured and sold slaves. Yup... SLAVES!! (Fuck you Kevin Costner)... Kicking Bird who you were boning was a SLAVE." They tortured enemies. They killed each other in raids. They didn't use every part of the fucking buffalo... running whole herds of them off cliffs... was more meat than a band could process, store and consume. Period end of story. (The herds were just big enough that tribes could not make a dent in them.) They were territorial and tribal. They migrated and killed off the tribes whose land they invaded (Them Teton Sioux were assholes). They had life expectancies in their 30's. Girls were pregnant by the time they were 14 or 15. Life was dirty, short, violent, disease-ridden, cold, hot, bug-eaten and incredibly primitive. They were not living in an eco-paradise!

Ask the Indian Activist college professors how many years they could live on the plains like it was 1491... And the answer is they would die in weeks. But they go to fucking sweat lodges and sit in ghey-assed drum circles chanting peyote-contrived bullshit while wearing head-dresses before heading back to their campus McMansions and thinking that they can appreciate what pre-civilization was like after a weekend of running through the woods in a loin cloth... and ending the day with a nice shower.

It's all made up. It's all revisionist socialist crap designed to make the people who hacked a world out of a wilderness feel bad and hand over everything they earn because they pity the "poor Injuns." It's all, again, about victim culture. Just like the fraction of the 13 percent who were actually descended from slaves. The Mexicans (who are almost all European, not Aztek, Maya and Mosquito-descended). The fucking Bantu.... everyone who wants free shit and can sucker a commie overly-empathetic mentally-ill guilt-ridden "Grew up in Suburbia" PhD who probably only became a Doctor of History to avoid going to Vietnam.

Fuck all those morons and their Bullshit 'Histories.' And their suppression of research that doesn't fit a socialist narrative. And their 'white PhD' guilt. And the 'foundations' funding their research with an expectation of results that fit a paid-for narrative.

The 'science' is pointing in interesting directions. Interesting and valuable for ALL humanity. If the activists don't quash it for their personal gain. Hell, half the so-called 'historians' out there make Al Sharpton look like he was a grand Kleagle... when it comes to 'baiting for personal gain.' [/rant]

Sirhr

@sirhrmechanic, Damm you have this all right on the money. I grew up on an indian reservation spent all my childhood and a good part of my young adult life there, 1.5 million acre reservation full of timber, rivers, mineral rights everything anyone could want. My childhood friends were all indians with a few whiteys like me thrown in, all folks that could not afford to live on the other side of the river. a lot of the families lived from percapita check to percapita check, when the checks came in man it was a party until the money ran out then it was back to scraping up enough money for the next days gallon of white port. watched lots of people drink themselves to death or drink enough to kill themselves in a car. Guess I was smart enough or maybe just lucky enough to get the hell out of there before I was sucked into the bullshit. Then the tribes came up with a great idea, lets convince the government since the rez is a sovereign naiton we can do whatever we want, lets open casinos and make lots of money "for the people" it will make the rez a great place to live and really benefit the tribal members. All I have to say to that is BULLSHIT. I have not spent much time on the rez in the last 50 or so years but today when I drive down the same highway through the same towns I see the same broken down or wrecked cars in the front yards of the same houses as were there 60 years ago the only difference is the cars are 90's or 00 models instead of the 50's or 60's models when I was a kid. The rez has not changed one damm bit, still the same bars in the same spots where white guys didn't dare go, and I'm talking about a town where the tribal headquarters is located. Seems like they could have at least fixed up their own damm town but no somebody is making a killing off all these casinos but it sure does not seem to be the reservations or the tribal members. Maybe the membership gets a little added to their percapita check who knows, all these casinos are a scam to make some people filthy rich, I have never set foot in a tribal casino and will never give them even one nickel, sorry for the rant but tribal casinos are a real sore spot for me, there ya go.

 

[TexPatriot]

As T.H. Farenbach pointed out in his book Lone Star - A History of Texas and it's Texans, there were no natives to the New World. Everyone came here from some place else. And in the overall time table of man, very recently.

The prime territories that the Indian tribes claimed were stolen by the white man were almost certainly stolen and taken by force from a previous tribe. The Apaches, for instance, were once the dominant people on the Southern Great Plains until the lowly Comanche acquired the horse, which he then took whatever land he wanted, displacing the Apache and any other tribes that were living in what would be known as Comancheria.

I would defy anyone to find an Apache, Comanche or any other reservation Indian to give up their new Dodge truck, satelite dish, Levi jeans, prescription glasses and medications, propane gas and electricity and all the other conveneints afforded by the white man's government checks, to go back to living the 'free life' in the mud, heat, snow, lice and filth of a teepee or whatever brush covered hovel they could scrape up.

 

[Ronws]

@sirhrmechanic, Damm you have this all right on the money. I grew up on an indian reservation spent all my childhood and a good part of my young adult life there, 1.5 million acre reservation full of timber, rivers, mineral rights everything anyone could want. My childhood friends were all indians with a few whiteys like me thrown in, all folks that could not afford to live on the other side of the river. a lot of the families lived from percapita check to percapita check, when the checks came in man it was a party until the money ran out then it was back to scraping up enough money for the next days gallon of white port. watched lots of people drink themselves to death or drink enough to kill themselves in a car. Guess I was smart enough or maybe just lucky enough to get the hell out of there before I was sucked into the bullshit. Then the tribes came up with a great idea, lets convince the government since the rez is a sovereign naiton we can do whatever we want, lets open casinos and make lots of money "for the people" it will make the rez a great place to live and really benefit the tribal members. All I have to say to that is BULLSHIT. I have not spent much time on the rez in the last 50 or so years but today when I drive down the same highway through the same towns I see the same broken down or wrecked cars in the front yards of the same houses as were there 60 years ago the only difference is the cars are 90's or 00 models instead of the 50's or 60's models when I was a kid. The rez has not changed one damm bit, still the same bars in the same spots where white guys didn't dare go, and I'm talking about a town where the tribal headquarters is located. Seems like they could have at least fixed up their own damm town but no somebody is making a killing off all these casinos but it sure does not seem to be the reservations or the tribal members. Maybe the membership gets a little added to their percapita check who knows, all these casinos are a scam to make some people filthy rich, I have never set foot in a tribal casino and will never give them even one nickel, sorry for the rant but tribal casinos are a real sore spot for me, there ya go.

That's because there is nothing noble about being a native american. Humans are assholes, regardless of "ethnicity."

I still want to ask God when he was sparing Noah, "What the hell were you thinking?"

And I imagine God answering back, "I know... right?"

 

[sirhrmechanic]

Yes, I know about the misunderstanding of the french phrase for royal blood (sang royal.) Jesus quoted prophets of the past but did not present himself as a prophet. And He was good at word-play.

"Are you the son of God?"

"It is you who say that I am."

He was not predicted to be a prophet, that I can recall. In fact, the prophet John predicted a man would come along who's shoes he was not worthy to touch. John did not refer to him as a prophet.

He was predicted to be the messiah, the priest-king. And that he would be the son of God. I know that muslims and others call him a prophet. They will call him anything but the son of God or heir to the throne of Jerusalem.

So, you are welcome to call him a prophet, if that so pleases you. If others have called him a prophet, that is fine, too.

Also heard him called "Our Savior..."

So I suspect there are many interpretations and takes. None of which are likely wrong...

Until we can build a time machine we'll likely never know!

Cheers and thanks for the interesting backgrounds! Always learning... always learning!

Sirhr

 

[Tx_Aggie]

So on my trip up to L'Anse aux Meadows, I had an idea for a paper and started doing some research... There is a site up on the Northern Shore of Lake Ontario where Norse iron nails/spikes have been discovered. Maybe signs of their presence exploring. Maybe signs of trading with the Natives (Canadians call then 'first peoples... Bullshit.) We call them "Native Americans"... also Bullshit. They migrated from someplace else.

Anyway, there are people stating that the discovery and archaeology looking into the Norse sites deeper in North America (up the St. Lawrence) represents "Cultural Appropriation." WTF? How can finding evidence of European explorers far inland... In the place where vines and butternuts flourished... be "Cultural Appropriation?"

These "Indian Activists" are nothing more than that. They are the legacy of the 1960's Indian Identity movement... spurred on by that idiot Billy Jack and retarded socialist histories portraying them as living in some kind of idyllic paradise with no ownership of land and communing with the plants and the bugs until mean old white men came along to give them smallpox blankets (which almost certainly never happened.) Today, there are generations of brainwashed, alchoholic, reservation-dwellers waiting for free shit from the government and expecting that "Their day will come" and they will be back living on the plains in wigwams in some kind of utopian paradise.

Here's the stuff that these folks forget... Huge deaths at childbirth. Huge youth death. The slightest infected cut and you died. Disease from venereal disease to giardia to worms to hanta were rampant. They captured and sold slaves. Yup... SLAVES!! (Fuck you Kevin Costner)... Kicking Bird who you were boning was a SLAVE." They tortured enemies. They killed each other in raids. They didn't use every part of the fucking buffalo... running whole herds of them off cliffs... was more meat than a band could process, store and consume. Period end of story. (The herds were just big enough that tribes could not make a dent in them.) They were territorial and tribal. They migrated and killed off the tribes whose land they invaded (Them Teton Sioux were assholes). They had life expectancies in their 30's. Girls were pregnant by the time they were 14 or 15. Life was dirty, short, violent, disease-ridden, cold, hot, bug-eaten and incredibly primitive. They were not living in an eco-paradise!

Ask the Indian Activist college professors how many years they could live on the plains like it was 1491... And the answer is they would die in weeks. But they go to fucking sweat lodges and sit in ghey-assed drum circles chanting peyote-contrived bullshit while wearing head-dresses before heading back to their campus McMansions and thinking that they can appreciate what pre-civilization was like after a weekend of running through the woods in a loin cloth... and ending the day with a nice shower.

It's all made up. It's all revisionist socialist crap designed to make the people who hacked a world out of a wilderness feel bad and hand over everything they earn because they pity the "poor Injuns." It's all, again, about victim culture. Just like the fraction of the 13 percent who were actually descended from slaves. The Mexicans (who are almost all European, not Aztek, Maya and Mosquito-descended). The fucking Bantu.... everyone who wants free shit and can sucker a commie overly-empathetic mentally-ill guilt-ridden "Grew up in Suburbia" PhD who probably only became a Doctor of History to avoid going to Vietnam.

Fuck all those morons and their Bullshit 'Histories.' And their suppression of research that doesn't fit a socialist narrative. And their 'white PhD' guilt. And the 'foundations' funding their research with an expectation of results that fit a paid-for narrative.

The 'science' is pointing in interesting directions. Interesting and valuable for ALL humanity. If the activists don't quash it for their personal gain. Hell, half the so-called 'historians' out there make Al Sharpton look like he was a grand Kleagle... when it comes to 'baiting for personal gain.' [/rant]

Sirhr

Right on the money. The sort of activism you're talking about is all just some new flavor of recycled Marxist methods. And it's always about one thing and one thing only, power. These movements are mostly Maoism dressed up and evolved to be sold to western societies where the working class are too well off and so traditional economic Marxism is a non-starter.

In other words:

Call everything you want to control capitalist/racist/sexist/colonialist/etc. until you control it.

Change the meaning of words along the way to sucker the naïve.

Once you have all the power, change the rules to ensure that you keep it (and eliminate the activist idiots who helped you take it).

 

[Charmingmander]

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