Precision trainer build- Sako Quad vs CZ 455 PT

[bm11]

Yes, this thread has been done before. However, I am going to pose the question slightly differently, and now the 455 Precision Trainer has been out longer, so I feel this is valid.

I have been bitten by the rimfire bug. I want a really nice rimfire in the same size as a full size bolt rifle. I could do a 40x, but I want a repeater and the Black Ops build is probably out for me as non are in the hands of end users and indefinite lead times do not go well with my impatience.

That said, I have two viable options (an Anschutz is out as I want something in a McMillan A5 or Manners T4,) that I can think of, and that is either a CZ 455 Precision Trainer or a Sako Quad.

The CZ will be bought along with a DIP pic rail, DIP bottom metal, DIP mag well, Timney trigger, and a Lilja barrel which will be shipped to a smith for threading before I install it.

The Sako will be much the same, though a stock will have to be ordered and a bit more research will have to be done to individual components, as I am more familiar with the CZ.

Looking for a bit of input from here. The CZ gets the nod from me at this point because it comes in the stock I want with no wait time, and because it has a price advantage. It seems the CZ is cheaper including the Manners than the Sako is stock with the factory stock. A case could be made for the Sako and I would like to hear it, but the argument of a better trigger doesn't matter much due to the Timney being available. Same thing with the stock barrel, a Lilja will be going on thread build regardless of which rifle is chosen. Either rifle will be bedded also.

I'd like to hear arguments both ways. If they both have Lilja barrels and both are bedded, is one action more inherently accurate than the other? What other benefits would be to going with the Sako?

Thanks,

-Bob

 

[justin amateur]

Re: Precision trainer build- Sako Quad vs CZ 455 PT

Don't understand the barrel threading comment.
Both the CZ 455 and the Sako use a tenon and screw to
facilitate barrel installation.

http://www.sako.fi/sakoquad_barrelchange.php

http://cz-usa.com/products/view/455-american/

 

[bm11]

Re: Precision trainer build- Sako Quad vs CZ 455 PT

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jaia</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Don't understand the barrel threading comment.</div></div> Sorry for not clarifying. The threads will be at the muzzle, for my suppressor.

 

[Sc0]

Re: Precision trainer build- Sako Quad vs CZ 455 PT

Quad has a lower bolt lift and action seems beefier/larger than the 455. Easier to put a larger bolt knob on the Quad, do not need to remove the stock on the Quad to switch barrels, Quad has a really nice trigger as OEM. (Some quads have extraction/ejection issues)

CZ is easier to find, cheaper price, can come with the Manners stock, has cheaper magazines, can get steel OEM mags for it, has a new single set trigger coming out, can get a few different stocks for it, has a steel trigger guard...

I have a 455 and brother has a Quad... I personally like the Quad better but the CZ gives up nothing, and did I mention cheaper? In the end a 455 and Quad configured the same way; if you go with a CZ you will have enough money to buy a case of ammo, a bipod, a sling, and a few spare mags.

 

[PRDRIVER]

Re: Precision trainer build- Sako Quad vs CZ 455 PT

I have a CZ452 and a Quad. I prefer the Quad, but with the current pricing on Quads I would probably go with the CZ and save some coin.

 

[Kiba]

Re: Precision trainer build- Sako Quad vs CZ 455 PT

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Sc0</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Quad has a lower bolt lift and action seems beefier/larger than the 455. Easier to put a larger bolt knob on the Quad, do not need to remove the stock on the Quad to switch barrels, Quad has a really nice trigger as OEM. (Some quads have extraction/ejection issues)

CZ is easier to find, cheaper price, can come with the Manners stock, has cheaper magazines, can get steel OEM mags for it, has a new single set trigger coming out, can get a few different stocks for it, has a steel trigger guard...

I have a 455 and brother has a Quad... I personally like the Quad better but the CZ gives up nothing, and did I mention cheaper? In the end a 455 and Quad configured the same way; if you go with a CZ you will have enough money to buy a case of ammo, a bipod, a sling, and a few spare mags. </div></div>

100% agreed. I own two Quads in T4s and a friend just picked up a CZ Varmint Trainer with the T4.

Both are equally accurate with Lilja barrels; the Quad has the better action & bolt feel while the CZ has the advantage on price of the rifle, price of magazines, and availability.

I prefer the Quads mostly for the bolt lift & feel but either will get the job done-- the CZ will get the job done much cheaper.

 

[shoot4fun]

Re: Precision trainer build- Sako Quad vs CZ 455 PT

Loving my Quad build but the ten round mags don't work worth a damn.
Also, Quad mags can be hard to find.

 

[bm11]

Re: Precision trainer build- Sako Quad vs CZ 455 PT

Damn. I tend to be more of a "price aside" type of guy, so the Sako is the way I should go. That said, I tend to also be impatient so waiting for a stock is tough for me too.

Ideally I could snag one here in the exchange all built. There have been a couple here within the last month, one built by APA that was gone by the time I saw it (wish I was up that night.)

 

[Kiba]

Re: Precision trainer build- Sako Quad vs CZ 455 PT

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: shoot4fun</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Loving my Quad build but the ten round mags don't work worth a damn.
Also, Quad mags can be hard to find.
</div></div>

My .22 Quad had feeding issues but it turned out to be related to the Lilja barrel and not the magazines. I initially shot the rifle with the factory barrel while waiting for the Lilja and never had issues with the 10 round mags but once I installed the Lilja barrel the feeding issues started.

On the factory Sako .22LR barrels the bottom of the chamber from about 5 to 7 o'clock is very lightly radiused (about .015") to serve as a slight feed ramp. With the Lilja barrels the chamber is straight cut with a sharp edge. That sharp edge grabbed the nose and hung up feeding especially with the first couple of rounds out of the 10 round mags.

I took a cratex wheel and lightly polished/radiused the bottom of Lilja barrel to try and duplicate the factory Sako barrel and now all 5 of my 10 rounds .22LR mags feed perfectly even when loaded to 10 rounds.

 

[shoot4fun]

Re: Precision trainer build- Sako Quad vs CZ 455 PT

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Kiba</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: shoot4fun</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Loving my Quad build but the ten round mags don't work worth a damn.
Also, Quad mags can be hard to find.
</div></div>

My .22 Quad had feeding issues but it turned out to be related to the Lilja barrel and not the magazines. I initially shot the rifle with the factory barrel while waiting for the Lilja and never had issues with the 10 round mags but once I installed the Lilja barrel the feeding issues started.

On the factory Sako .22LR barrels the bottom of the chamber from about 5 to 7 o'clock is very lightly radiused (about .015") to serve as a slight feed ramp. With the Lilja barrels the chamber is straight cut with a sharp edge. That sharp edge grabbed the nose and hung up feeding especially with the first couple of rounds out of the 10 round mags.

I took a cratex wheel and lightly polished/radiused the bottom of Lilja barrel to try and duplicate the factory Sako barrel and now all 5 of my 10 rounds .22LR mags feed perfectly even when loaded to 10 rounds. </div></div>

Great info. Thanks! I'll give that a try. I really would like to feed ten. The mags work but can only load seven or so in them for reliable feeding.

 

[shoot4fun]

Re: Precision trainer build- Sako Quad vs CZ 455 PT

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: DFOOSKING</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Shoot4fun...contact EurOptics, they are doing the group buy here and I thought they said they extras you can order.

Its worth a shot. </div></div>

Did not mean to mislead. I do have a good supply of mags for both the 22LR and the 17HMR barrels. But thanks for the info.

 

[bm11]

Re: Precision trainer build- Sako Quad vs CZ 455 PT

Any of you guys with Quad trainers want to sell one?

 

[bm11]

Re: Precision trainer build- Sako Quad vs CZ 455 PT

Well, I bought the CZ.

I talked to Euro Optic, and they had some REALLY NICE Quad trainers available as part of the group buy. I could justify the $1000 more vs a 455 PT and all the Gucci extras, but waiting til March and maybe longer was a deal breaker.

I figure there will probably be a slew of them showing up in the PX after the group buy rifles drop, it always happens with a group buy. If I still crave a quad at that point, I'll snatch one up.

Thanks for all the help,

-Bob

 

[bm11]

Re: Precision trainer build- Sako Quad vs CZ 455 PT

May still end up with one. I'll have similar money in this CZ when it's all said and done.

 

[hatidua]

Re: Precision trainer build- Sako Quad vs CZ 455 PT

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: bm11</div><div class="ubbcode-body">May still end up with one. I'll have similar money in this CZ when it's all said and done. </div></div>

I own both. I prefer the Quad.

 

[Hammertime]

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[usmcchet9296]

The quad vs CZ fight really depends on who owns what and how much money is invested in said rifle. I own a CZ so my opinion is toward the CZ but the Quad is a great rifle too. Both have their plusses and minuses but in the end both should be great shooters with a little work, time and money.