Suppressors Premature baffle wear?

[FUNCTIONAL]

SiCo Omega can, just want to get feedback if im expecting more than reasonable.

With say 200 rounds of 308 out of a 24" barrel and 1k rounds 223/556 out of a 10.3" AR does this look like excessive wear? Can is rated to 10" with 223/5.56. I realize thats harsh but i wasnt expecting to see this much. It is NOT carbon.

 

[hafejd30]

Looks like a Saker ASR from first pic. Tuning in as I have one in jail currently that will go on a 10.5 556

 

[FUNCTIONAL]

Looks like a Saker ASR from first pic. Tuning in as I have one in jail currently that will go on a 10.5 556

Yea kinda dumb not to mention, edited post. Sico omega.

 

[hafejd30]

I think there was a post a while back about an omega with the same thing

edit, think this was it

https://www.snipershide.com/shooting/threads/baffle-erosion-silencerco-omega.6372343/

 

[hafejd30]

I plan to run the brakes on mine hoping to save some wear on my Saker. Just out of curiosity are you running brake or flash hider Mount?

 

[FUNCTIONAL]

I plan to run the brakes on mine hoping to save some wear on my Saker. Just out of curiosity are you running brake or flash hider Mount?

Brake for 308 and flash hider for 223. If you look at the second picture you will see 3 spots (3rd is blinded out by the light) that look like it was unaffected. I scoped it mounted to the FH and the prongs line up perfectly with those normal spots so I'd assume it wouldnt be looking like this had I used a brake for the 223...I just prefer the FH on short ARs.

Having seen a Surefires documented baffle wear with a FH this is more than I'd have hoped being a temporary until my NT4 comes in. I get surefire is more durable but didnt expect it to wear this fast.

I wish that old topic still had the photos to compare.

Again not meaning this to bitch...just wanted to set me expectations right. Will likely keep shooting it on the 10.3" until my NT4 is out, send it to SiCo for them to do whatever and from then on out it will be on nothing but longer 223 and bolt guns.

 

[Huskydriver]

You just discovered the trade off to light weight TI cans instead of using stellite or inconel throughout the can. Interesting your blast baffle edges are g2g but I'm pretty sure the other baffles are TI but could be wrong.

Sbr use wears thin TI baffles out quick.

The new business model for some supressor companies is to make it as light as they can and say it's rated for x,y,z while calling it innovation. They know full well hot sbr, rapid fire use will eat up the can with time but they make the can easy to recore then cover you work a lifetime warranty pitch.

Good news is sico will recore it when the time comes... Hopefully

 

[FUNCTIONAL]

You just discovered the trade off to light weight TI cans instead of using stellite or inconel throughout the can. Interesting your blast baffle edges are g2g but I'm pretty sure the other baffles are TI but could be wrong.

Sbr use wears thin TI baffles out quick.

The new business model for some supressor companies is to make it as light as they can and say it's rated for x,y,z while calling it innovation. They know full well hot sbr, rapid fire use will eat up the can with time but they make the can easy to recore then cover you work a lifetime warranty pitch.

Good news is sico will recore it when the time comes... Hopefully

I'm pretty sure the blast baffle is Stellite but I cant look it up on this computer just yet. Its a great all around use can which is what I bought it for but you know what they say...those good at everything are great at nothing. Was my first suppressor when I thought "I'll just buy one to do everything so I dont have to buy more". Life will go on, SiCo should take care of it when I'm done abusing it.

 

[Huskydriver]

I'm pretty sure the blast baffle is Stellite but I cant look it up on this computer just yet. Its a great all around use can which is what I bought it for but you know what they say...those good at everything are great at nothing. Was my first suppressor when I thought "I'll just buy one to do everything so I dont have to buy more". Life will go on, SiCo should take care of it when I'm done abusing it.

Your blast baffle is stellite which is good. Don't get me wrong Sico should recore it np I wouldn't sweat it in the meantime you got a ton of life left in that thing

 

[Zak Smith]

The new business model for some supressor companies is to make it as light as they can and say it's rated for x,y,z while calling it innovation.

The following is not commentary on the can in the O.P., but general feedback on this comment above in particular:

We've noticed this trend and TBH it irks me quite a bit. Some of the ratings we see out there make us scratch our heads knowing the materials used and their properties. And when we've tested our can vs. a "full auto" Ti can (not an Omega so don't ask), the Ultra withstands it better. We rate our stuff really conservatively because we know a can is a lifetime item.

 

[paco ramirez]

You just discovered the trade off to light weight TI cans instead of using stellite or inconel throughout the can. Interesting your blast baffle edges are g2g but I'm pretty sure the other baffles are TI but could be wrong.

Sbr use wears thin TI baffles out quick.

The new business model for some supressor companies is to make it as light as they can and say it's rated for x,y,z while calling it innovation. They know full well hot sbr, rapid fire use will eat up the can with time but they make the can easy to recore then cover you work a lifetime warranty pitch.

Good news is sico will recore it when the time comes... Hopefully

The baffles in the Omega are stainless steel. The blast baffle is a cast Stellite 6 cone welded to a stainless steel disc. The only part that's titanium on it is the outer tube.

 

[Huskydriver]

The following is not commentary on the can in the O.P., but general feedback on this comment above in particular:

We've noticed this trend and TBH it irks me quite a bit. Some of the ratings we see out there make us scratch our heads knowing the materials used and their properties. And when we've tested our can vs. a "full auto" Ti can (not an Omega so don't ask), the Ultra withstands it better. We rate our stuff really conservatively because we know a can is a lifetime item.

And that's part of the reason you guys have such a strong following and market share. You guys have a steller product, you are honest about your stuff and have knock out CS. You guys, dead air, and rugged would be the only companies I would currentlu but a can from.

It's sad though alot of guys who don't understand get sucked into the hype and well... In a few years I expect to see a ton of threads like this haha

 

[Huskydriver]

The baffles in the Omega are stainless steel. The blast baffle is a cast Stellite 6 cone welded to a stainless steel disc. The only part that's titanium on it is the outer tube.

Couldn't remember for sure but my point still stands... To make a can as light as the omega and have it rated for short/full auto use, you are sacrificing strength somewhere and have to expect to be recoring it in the future. Hence the sleaved core design.

Fyi I have many sico cans including a hybrid which is basically made the exact same way.

Companies are betting that the average can buyer won't actually put the can through this level of use so they factor in the cost of recoring some % amount of the units sold into the price and say sure it's rated for belt fed 7.5" barrel use. They know 1% of the cans will actually see that so they feel safe claiming it

 

[hafejd30]

The Saker ASR has the Hoplon Baffle system in it. Just wondering if anyone out there (maybe husky) has one of these and what they’ve seen for wear. Supposed to help for SBR.

I got a great deal on my Saker ASR but just curious was to the expected life compared to the design of the omega

 

[hafejd30]

Couple pics down the TBAC Ultra 9 with about 1500 rounds through it.

556 AR15
260
308
300 WM

Love my Thunderbeast. Which is why I bought a second can to prevent from damaging the TBAC on my SBR etc

Nothing but carbon build up in the baffles on the Ultra 9

 

[Huskydriver]

The Saker ASR has the Hoplon Baffle system in it. Just wondering if anyone out there (maybe husky) has one of these and what they’ve seen for wear. Supposed to help for SBR.

I got a great deal on my Saker ASR but just curious was to the expected life compared to the design of the omega

I do have a saker ASR that sits on a 10.5" 223 ar with about 5k rounds down it now I can post up here in a bit.

 

[Huskydriver]

Saker ASR which has spent most of it's life on a 10.5" 223 sbr. You can see some wearing of the muzzle side edge of the first baffle vs same spot on the last baffle.

Can sounds better full of carbon then when it was clean or I'm getting deafer which is a distinct possibility.

 

[FUNCTIONAL]

Do you use a brake or FH Huskey?

Can looks great

 

[Huskydriver]

Do you use a brake or FH Huskey?

Can looks great

I use a brake. I run keymo on most my cans these days.

 

[hafejd30]

Husky thank you for sharing

 

[Docsherm]

I use a brake. I run keymo on most my cans these days.

I use a break on all of my SBRs that i use a can on. It helps with the can life a lot.

 

[GRIFFIN_ARMAMENT]

We have serviced less than 1% of suppressors for baffle wear. It does happen especially with high use users, however by in large most cans will never be "worn out". High grade stainless will last longer than Titanium, we make both so it's really just what the customer is looking for in terms of specs etc. The Paladin® suppressors from us for instance have 17-4 blast baffles and titanium stacks there after. We've been selling them for 3 years now and not a single one has yet to be serviced. If that model were to come back for service it would be a very fast turn around due to its unique, Patented ratchet lok™ end cap system.

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[tomcatfan]

Baffle wear? I have so much carbon in my omega I can’t tell what shape the baffles are in. Its hard to tell what’s carbon build up vs base material. I emailed silencerco about how to get it out and clean it and I haven’t heard anything back.