PRICE CHANGE - Zermatt Arms Chassis - The Matterhorn

[carbonbased]

Straight up head position is what I like due to neck issues. Hate angling my neck sideways or leaning my head forward. I only shoot from a bench or tripod.

So, I always wind up with the scope mounted as far back as possible (or one pic slot fwd from that, rarely). My LOP is usually set as close as possible, around 13.5” on my KRG W3 and Bravo (latter with adjustable buttplate & thin pad).

I also use 1.5” or taller rings, and am 5’10”.

Just a data point.

 

[Terry Cross]

Straight up head position is what I like due to neck issues. Hate angling my neck sideways or leaning my head forward. I only shoot from a bench or tripod.

For sure, I have become a soap box evangelist on head position.

Upright and not leaning to one side is the most sustainable and repeatable. Less neck strain. More efficient eye position for less eye strain. . .
Try to achieve that as much as the stock will allow.

 

[Terry Cross]

The way you described getting COG over/ inside whatever POC you have with the ground sounds like you're describing body supported positions.

100%

I'm guessing most of the people commenting here are PRS shooters and they want the COG just in front of the mag so the gun balances on a bag or tripod on its own. And they're coming off the gun in comparison to traditional prone, bipod supported position. So they want a shorter LOP so they can stay squared up and away from the gun, but closer in arm length to run scope knobs and bolt. They are squaring up because once the gun is balanced on a prop on it's own, it's not going to move unless the shooter causes it it to move. So all the wobble and instability comes from the shooter. Making your body an isosceles from two parallel solid feet or knees reduces body movement. And then the fact that their necks are vertical vice horizontal in the prone. Also why I like taller rings. Another antiquated thing imo. Trying to cut HOB like it makes a difference ballistically.

Understood

And scope placement is not unlimited. There's some realities when it comes to tube length, mounts, and rail location that does impose a constraint. After the scope is anchored in place eye relief begins to effectively dictate LOP more that arm length imo. And like I said with more vertical necks....shorter LOP.

I think the ability to place your scope where you "Need" it should be an important part of the rifle component selection up front instead of an afterthought that doesn't get catered to.

Again, you can get away with a LOT of potential setup sins if you are specializing in a shooting discipline that will never entertain an unsupported position.

Edited to add: I think we are pretty much on the same page. I'm not posting as an argument against what you are saying. Rather fleshing out my thought process a little more.