Rifle Scopes Primary Arms GLx 2.5-10x44FFP eye relief????

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On paper this scope is all but perfect on what I want.
it seems to check all my boxes.

my one hang up and what is keeping me from pulling the trigger on it is the listed eye relief. It seems super short, like ACOG short.
does anyone have any first hand experience to comment on what the eye relief is in real life?
 
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Dang, I love those new turrets with the locking button, works like Leupold's MK5, I really like that. I may have to grab one to try for my SPR. For 5.56 I wouldn't be worried too much about eye relief, but if the eyebox is tight that may be a no go. PA has really been stepping up of late, I expect this scope may do very well.

One thing, I can only find the ACSS RAPTOR reticle on their website, but the guy in the video below mentions the ACSS-GRIFFIN reticle at 8:40 in, the Griffin is a mil hash style, I'd much rather have that reticle vs. the Raptor BDC.

 
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By the video I would say the eye relief is normal for an optic, not ACOG style. That’s just going off the placement of the optic and the guys position on the rifle.
 
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myers129 said:
By the video I would say the eye relief is normal for an optic, not ACOG style. That’s just going off the placement of the optic and the guys position on the rifle.
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Might just have to call them.
Honestly I trust the written specs more than kotaboy. I dont say that to knock KB32, but his stock his definitely collapsed in his video, more so than normal it seems.
I could be totally wrong.

In comparison to the original raptor (4 in eye relief) this 2.5x10 seems super short.

There is always Amazon 30 day returns too.... to REALLY find out, lol
 
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needham said:
On paper this scope is all but perfect on what I want.
it seems to check all my boxes.

my one hang up and what is keeping me from pulling the trigger on it is the listed eye relief. It seems super short, like ACOG short.
does anyone have any first hand experience to comment on what the eye relief is in real life?
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He does specifically say 2.7-2.8 inch eye relief. That is rather short, but it seems they are geared towards SPR type rifles, shouldn't need a cantilever mount.
 
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fdkay said:
He does specifically say 2.7-2.8 inch eye relief. That is rather short, but it seems they are geared towards SPR type rifles, shouldn't need a cantilever mount.
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This is a screen shot from the scope's spec sheet.
 

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#12
Weight is decent (lighter than their 1-8x!) but no "length" in their specs, looks fairly short. I'm hung up on the reticle though. They put it what appears to be really nice turrets only to handicap it with a reticle that cannot be used for dialing elevation and holding wind. Who dials wind in any dynamic sport? The BDC reticle they are currently offering also doesn't seem to match with the philosophy of the upgraded turrets.
 
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while I really like the raptor and the extended wind holds on it, dialing elevation/holding wind like the SCR is super nice without all the grids and alike.

granted, they have built an excellent business around their BDC offerings, and do have reticles like the athena, griffin, etc.

I think I could design a scope and STILL not be happy with myself sometimes, HA!
 
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I run one of these on my open class 3 Gun rifle and so does my wife
eye Relief isn’t an issue at all.. as far as the reticle I like it cause it works on 2.5 power for fast close work. I do run an offset red dot as well so really close I’m using that..
almost all the 2.5 ffp scopes I’ve looked through were super slow to use on low power especially on dark backgrounds or low light. So I do like the donut..

I do agree I wish it had wind holds off the main crosshairs for dialing but not a deal breaker for me..
 
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JeremyV said:
I run one of these on my open class 3 Gun rifle and so does my wife
eye Relief isn’t an issue at all.. as far as the reticle I like it cause it works on 2.5 power for fast close work. I do run an offset red dot as well so really close I’m using that..
almost all the 2.5 ffp scopes I’ve looked through were super slow to use on low power especially on dark backgrounds or low light. So I do like the donut..

I do agree I wish it had wind holds off the main crosshairs for dialing but not a deal breaker for me..
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Are you using the RAPTOR BDC reticle?
 
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Raptor m2 and I love almost everything about it.. like I said I wish I had wind holds for when I dial and I would rather have a small dot then the triangle but on low power that’s not awesome so I totally understand why it’s made the way it is.. It’s super fast on low or high power for shooting close to far targets.
 
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JeremyV said:
Raptor m2 and I love almost everything about it.. like I said I wish I had wind holds for when I dial and I would rather have a small dot then the triangle but on low power that’s not awesome so I totally understand why it’s made the way it is.. It’s super fast on low or high power for shooting close to far targets.
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Thank you Jeremy. My biggest concern with the Raptor reticle is that the drop will not align with my ballistics and atmospherics (I'm at 6500') but for this particular rifle I'm looking more for a blend of speed and precision. The Vortex Gen III 1-10 would be ideal, but at over $1k more than the PA I'm just not sure I'm ready to invest that into this rifle. Like needham mentions, your first hand knowledge is invaluable and appreciated.
 
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wjm308 said:
Thank you Jeremy. My biggest concern with the Raptor reticle is that the drop will not align with my ballistics and atmospherics (I'm at 6500') but for this particular rifle I'm looking more for a blend of speed and precision. The Vortex Gen III 1-10 would be ideal, but at over $1k more than the PA I'm just not sure I'm ready to invest that into this rifle. Like needham mentions, your first hand knowledge is invaluable and appreciated.
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So I shoot comps all over and of course the conditions are not always the same however with a bdc like this I normally figure out how far my farthest shots are going to be and zero that drop line first.

So say I’m going to shoot out to 500 yards I zero that one at 500 then check my 300 and it’s normally close enough. It’s not going to be dead on but the difference there is much smaller then if you just get a perfect 100 yard zero cause 2 inches off at 100 isn’t a huge deal but 10 inches off at 500 is.

Hopefully that makes sense...
 
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JeremyV said:
So I shoot comps all over and of course the conditions are not always the same however with a bdc like this I normally figure out how far my farthest shots are going to be and zero that drop line first.

So say I’m going to shoot out to 500 yards I zero that one at 500 then check my 300 and it’s normally close enough. It’s not going to be dead on but the difference there is much smaller then if you just get a perfect 100 yard zero cause 2 inches off at 100 isn’t a huge deal but 10 inches off at 500 is.

Hopefully that makes sense...
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That does make sense to zero at distance instead of at 100 with the BDC due to the differences being less at closer distances.
 
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I think a lot of guying don't understand the "Truing" of the recticle.
they just go out and get a 100 yard zero and roll.

but if you "true" the recticle at 300, 400, or even 500 yards the bullet drop will be very close, granted you might be 2 inches high or whatever at 100, but most guys don't get a primary arms BDC because they want to shoot at 100.
like this 2.5x10 scope we are talking about here, most will buy it to shoot 3-600 yards on probably 10 in plates or 66%ipsc, not 100yd plinking.
 
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needham said:
I think a lot of guying don't understand the "Truing" of the recticle.
they just go out and get a 100 yard zero and roll.

but if you "true" the recticle at 300, 400, or even 500 yards the bullet drop will be very close, granted you might be 2 inches high or whatever at 100, but most guys don't get a primary arms BDC because they want to shoot at 100.
like this 2.5x10 scope we are talking about here, most will buy it to shoot 3-600 yards on probably 10 in plates or 66%ipsc, not 100yd plinking.
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I think the idea is to get hits on man size targets from 100-600 yards without any math. Like you said if you true it then your golden!!
 
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Back looking at this and other 2-10 scopes again. @marsh1 can you explain why you would put in these great turrets for dialing but not put wind hold hash marks of the main horizontal where you need them when dialing elevation (but holding for wind), I think this is the main thing holding me back from trying out this scope right now.
 
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wjm308 said:
Back looking at this and other 2-10 scopes again. @marsh1 can you explain why you would put in these great turrets for dialing but not put wind hold hash marks of the main horizontal where you need them when dialing elevation (but holding for wind), I think this is the main thing holding me back from trying out this scope right now.
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Like all companies we put multiple reticles in the same scope. That said I just talk with Dimitri the patent holder of all the ACSS patents and you got him thinking. We already are planning additional reticles for 2021
 
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I think the short listed eye relief is a typo..It didnt seem that short on the one I tried. The knob design seemed like a patent infringement of leupold as was NF. You should call them and ask.
 
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sharfshutz762 said:
I think the short listed eye relief is a typo..It didnt seem that short on the one I tried. The knob design seemed like a patent infringement of leupold as was NF. You should call them and ask.
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No need to call. I will ask engineering to check the eye relief calculation. I can guarantee you there is no patent violation. Plenty of brands use push buttons. The turret mechanism is our own sealed steel on steel patent pending design.
 
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I am very interested in using this on an Ar-10. I have run through a prism, a burris rt-6, and now I am looking at this. The others worked fine, but I need a scope to go out a little further with my bad eyes. This looks like it checks all the boxes for me and I am looking forward to trying the Griffin reticle and my first primary arms scope.
 
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