Pros and Cons of 33XC vis a vis 338 LM

[harry_x1]

Hi All,
I currently shoot 338 lapua magnum (300 grain berger out of a 26 inch barrell in an AI AXMC). I am looking to take part in ELR matches and considering an upgrade to 33XC.

However I want to make sure that I dont just get carried away by all the advertised advantages (higher MV) but also understand the problems with this new caliber.

Are there shooters here who have shot both 338 LM as well as 33XC? I am interested in their opinion about advantages and disadvantages of 33xc vis a vis a 338 LM.

Please only add your inputs in case you have used both these calibers and/or you are an active ELR competitor. Grateful for your time and attention.


Harjeet

 

[GIXXER2000]

I shoot my 338lm out to 2700 yards and that is pushing it. The local match I go I use a 373ct , some guys are using the 33cx and in low wind score just as well as I do. They are all using Berger 300 hy's and the work really good. Were I score better is in wind over 5 mph and when it changes rapidly.
I had a 33xc barrel spun up for my AXMC and had major pressure issues turned out to be a bad barrel. It was enough that I sold the brass and the dies and went 375ct. Having said that there are many using the 33xc with great results.
The 33xc just out preforms the 338lm.

 

[Taylorbok]

You are trading barrel life for velocity, it's pretty straight forward.
If you are serious about ELR go to a 375, the splash is invaluable.

 

[harry_x1]

You are trading barrel life for velocity, it's pretty straight forward.
If you are serious about ELR go to a 375, the splash is invaluable.

what is the barrell life of 375ct and how does that compare to 33xc? I understand 33xc is fairly new but trying to understand why the barrell life on 375ct should be better provided both fire the round at similar velocities.

 

[diverdon]

I know nothing about the XC. But for me the .338 LM is lacking for 300gr bullet. I've had much better results with 250 and 285.

If I were committed to the 300gr bullet I would look for a cartridge that could do at least 200 fps more than the LM.

Perhaps play with the ballistic tables and see what makes you happy. Just don't forget there is more to life than numbers. Make sure you can be comfortable shooting it.

JBM - Calculations - Trajectory

www.jbmballistics.com

 

[harry_x1]

I shoot my 338lm out to 2700 yards and that is pushing it. The local match I go I use a 373ct , some guys are using the 33cx and in low wind score just as well as I do. They are all using Berger 300 hy's and the work really good. Were I score better is in wind over 5 mph and when it changes rapidly.
I had a 33xc barrel spun up for my AXMC and had major pressure issues turned out to be a bad barrel. It was enough that I sold the brass and the dies and went 375ct. Having said that there are many using the 33xc with great results.
The 33xc just out preforms the 338lm.

thanks for the insights. Can you throw more color on your last statement that the 33xc outperforms 338LM. I assume it is primarily wind? if you can share examples on hold differences, will be great...thanks

 

[ForgeValley]

This article talks a bit about 338LM vs. 33xc, with some wind hold data:

NEW 33XC cartridge | Learn about this NEW cartridge here at Rifle Talks

NEW 33XC Cartridge - Learn All about it. Exclusive head to head with 33XC creator David Tubb. Plus 33XC VS 338Lapua! | Rifle Talks

www.rifletalks.com

 

[Taylorbok]

33XC shoots faster, and burns barrel faster than a 338LM. What don't you understand about that?
Play with the numbers in a ballistic calculator, if you need to be spoon fed the numbers just quit now.

375 CT will have a short barrel life yes.

 

[harry_x1]

33XC shoots faster, and burns barrel faster than a 338LM. What don't you understand about that?
Play with the numbers in a ballistic calculator, if you need to be spoon fed the numbers just quit now.

375 CT will have a short barrel life yes.

Your over reliance on ballistic calculator shows that you have little experience shooting elr. Remember calculators dont replicate real life 100%, there is nuance which is known only through experience. One day you will understand this, hopefully.

 

[Taylorbok]

Your over reliance on ballistic calculator shows that you have little experience shooting elr. Remember calculators dont replicate real life 100%, there are more nuance there which is known only through experience. One day you will understand this, hopefully.

Yep your right. You can't use a calculator in ELR, everyone uses real DOPE.
^^^
This was sarcasm, you need to tune and true your ballistic solver so it does match up or damn close so that you can trust it to atleast get you a miss that you can spot. The fact is the numbers it spits out will be close enough for you to get a comparison of what the ballistic differences are.

time to unwatch

 

[harry_x1]

Yep your right. You can't use a calculator in ELR, everyone uses real DOPE.
^^^
This was sarcasm, you need to tune and true your ballistic solver so it does match up or damn close so that you can trust it to atleast get you a miss that you can spot. The fact is the numbers it spits out will be close enough for you to get a comparison of what the ballistic differences are.

time to unwatch

good...you are out of your league here. Come back after couple of years

 

[Bandit320]

good...you are out of your league here. Come back after couple of years

Talk about shooting yourself in the foot. You ask a couple of questions; some serious, but some that could be easily researched on this site. When someone gives you a response you don’t like you shit on them.

Maybe it’s a language or cultural translation thing.

Why don’t you tell us all about your ELR experience instead of spitting out insults like a bitter old woman.

 

[harry_x1]

Talk about shooting yourself in the foot. You ask a couple of questions; some serious, but some that could be easily researched on this site. When someone gives you a response you don’t like you shit on them.

Maybe it’s a language or cultural translation thing.

Why don’t you tell us all about your ELR experience instead of spitting out insults like a bitter old woman.

It is clear you are one of those lazy asses living paycheck to paycheck and wasting their time on SH stuffing their nose into every little filthy fight they see. Rather than wasting time behind keyboard and running others down; try humility, curiosity and time management.

Now take this free advice and f*** O this thread to do something useful for urself and society.

 

[Bandit320]

I knew that you are full of shit. I bet you’ve never even shot a 338, much less own one. Maybe your sister shoots one and you like to pretend it’s yours.

And I want to apologize,

To all the bitter old women I compared you to. They have more comprehension and ability then you. You should ask one for help.

 

[babyguppy]

LOL, damn I love a good read. I thought this was The Onion for a second.
OP comes on asking Noob questions like what's the difference between these two calibers..

-Basic questions that can be googled with minimal effort with answers as fast as 4 seconds; similar to OPs longest ride, if he's ever even seen it​

-People try to help, answer said questions, even though OP didn't want to take minimal effort to at least get grounding before asking stuff​

• advantages and disadvantages of 33xc vis a vis a 338 LM
• throw more color on your last statement that the 33xc outperforms 338LM

Then.... @ForgeValley GIVES you a link to read. Maybe the link upset you, because there weren't enough pictures OP
YES THEN... the OP comes back and starts smack talking that OP knows his crap.

Maybe OP knows his crap, actually plays with it, and is amazed at how when it squeezes said crap , squishes between it's self identifying ELR shooter's fingers. OP admits it doesn't know much about ELR though; so OP might be confusing it's nonbinary crap.​

• OP says, - good...you are out of your league here. Come back after couple of years

But my favorite, MOST FAVORITE is when OP talks how he/she (I don't want to assume your gender) since you might self-identify as an ELR shooter is when OP states

...looking to take part in ELR matches​

Then OP comes back and crap talks @Taylorbok

• over reliance on ballistic calculator shows that you have little experience shooting elr. Remember calculators dont replicate real life 100%, there is nuance which is known only through experience. One day you will understand this, hopefully
• good...you are out of your league here. Come back after couple of years

I thought 308pirate or @akmike47 might of been bored today, but this isn't the BearPit. So, I'm running with, special needs were allowed computer time today yesterday.

edited for clarity and additional sarcasm

 

[Bacarrat]

Harry_x1's threads is basically how society works now. They want everything spoon fed to them.

 

[Taylorbok]

I had to check in, this thread took the appropriate turn.
@babyguppy maybe this is 308Pirate having a time, that would explain a lot

 

[abn31c]

I think the op and that George guy that started 3 threads asking the same question should just get a room already.....

 

[diverdon]

Harry since you have let this thread go tits up on you, I'm going to ask a personal question. Is that you in the picture?

 

[Bandit320]

He didn’t “let it” go off the rails. He caused it to go off the rails.

 

[diverdon]

He didn’t “let it” go off the rails. He caused it to go off the rails.

That's what I say too. Just trying to see his perspective.

 

[nn8734]

 

[harry_x1]

LOL, damn I love a good read. I thought this was The Onion for a second.
OP comes on asking Noob questions like what's the difference between these two calibers..

-Basic questions that can be googled with minimal effort with answers as fast as 4 seconds; similar to OPs longest ride, if he's ever even seen it​

-People try to help, answer said questions, even though OP didn't want to take minimal effort to at least get grounding before asking stuff​

• advantages and disadvantages of 33xc vis a vis a 338 LM
• throw more color on your last statement that the 33xc outperforms 338LM

Then.... @ForgeValley GIVES you a link to read. Maybe the link upset you, because there weren't enough pictures OP
YES THEN... the OP comes back and starts smack talking that OP knows his crap.

Maybe OP knows his crap, actually plays with it, and is amazed at how when it squeezes said crap , squishes between it's self identifying ELR shooter's fingers. OP admits it doesn't know much about ELR though; so OP might be confusing it's nonbinary crap.​

• OP says, - good...you are out of your league here. Come back after couple of years

But my favorite, MOST FAVORITE is when OP talks how he/she (I don't want to assume your gender) since you might self-identify as an ELR shooter is when OP states

...looking to take part in ELR matches​

Then OP comes back and crap talks @Taylorbok

• over reliance on ballistic calculator shows that you have little experience shooting elr. Remember calculators dont replicate real life 100%, there is nuance which is known only through experience. One day you will understand this, hopefully
• good...you are out of your league here. Come back after couple of years

I thought 308pirate or @akmike47 might of been bored today, but this isn't the BearPit. So, I'm running with, special needs were allowed computer time today yesterday.

edited for clarity and additional sarcasm

BabbyGuppy : You think you are coming off as smart? Let me share some truth (bitter but might help you one day): for normal people (who earn decent living) you are only exposing your low wage rate by the little value you put on your own time and the rabid attention seeking behavior. Beleive me, I have more pity than contempt for your situation.

 

[TrevK]

BabbyGuppy : You think you are coming off as smart? Let me share some truth (bitter but might help you one day): for normal people (who earn decent living) you are only exposing your low wage rate by the little value you put on your own time and the rabid attention seeking behavior. Beleive me, I have more pity than contempt for your situation.

It’s wild to imagine you think you are the superior in this thread. You are the epitome of Dunning-Kruger.

 

[babyguppy]

BabbyGuppy : You think you are coming off as smart? Let me share some truth (bitter but might help you one day): for normal people (who earn decent living) you are only exposing your low wage rate by the little value you put on your own time and the rabid attention seeking behavior. Beleive me, I have more pity than contempt for your situation.

Yet, here you are... posting.
So, what does that say about your wage?

 

[Taylorbok]

The guy who needs explained the ballistic advantage of added velocity should NOT be talking shit about anyone's knowledge or experience.
Also where the hell does people's wage fall into this...??? WTF mate.

 

[nn8734]

The guy who needs explained the ballistic advantage of added velocity should NOT be talking shit about anyone's knowledge or experience.
Also where the hell does people's wage fall into this...??? WTF mate.

The OP needs Askholes Anonymous. As do a few other fucktards floating around in the tech subforums lately…If they don’t wise up, the ban hammer may soon follow…

 

[Bandit320]

BabbyGuppy : You think you are coming off as smart? Let me share some truth (bitter but might help you one day): for normal people (who earn decent living) you are only exposing your low wage rate by the little value you put on your own time and the rabid attention seeking behavior. Beleive me, I have more pity than contempt for your situation.

Harry, Harry,Harry,

It’s hard to figure out what you were trying to achieve with this thread. You ask questions (which could have easily found with google) and then harass the people trying to help you.

You also must think that you have more money then we do (we don’t care) since you keep bringing up the low wages we make (I’m sure with the individuals posting in this forum you’re wrong).

Maybe you’re trying to insult us so you can feel better about yourself. Let me help you. A good insult can always be had at the expense of someone’s mom. For example:

Let’s start with your Mom. Oh wait, everyone does….

 

[harry_x1]

Harry, Harry,Harry,

It’s hard to figure out what you were trying to achieve with this thread. You ask questions (which could have easily found with google) and then harass the people trying to help you.

You also must think that you have more money then we do (we don’t care) since you keep bringing up the low wages we make (I’m sure with the individuals posting in this forum you’re wrong).

Maybe you’re trying to insult us so you can feel better about yourself. Let me help you. A good insult can always be had at the expense of someone’s mom. For example:

Let’s start with your Mom. Oh wait, everyone does….

Sad to know that outside of being poor, you are are childless as well (clear as you bought in family)......take my sincere advice, make some positive use of your time vs venting your frustration in SH forums. Will do your self esteem a world of good.

 

[Supersubes]

Sad to know that outside of being poor, you are are childless as well (clear as you bought in family)......take my sincere advice, make some positive use of your time vs venting your frustration in SH forums. Will do your self esteem a world of good.

Where is harry, and what have you done with him?


On a serious note, have you read Tubb’s write-up on the XC’s? It pretty much covers all this.

 

[DeathBeforeDismount]

The guy who needs explained the ballistic advantage of added velocity should NOT be talking shit about anyone's knowledge or experience.
Also where the hell does people's wage fall into this...??? WTF mate.

It's called projecting. When weak insecure beta cucks realize they are being outmatched they start projecting their insecurities and weakness on others. It's a form of self hate.

 

[harry_x1]

It's called projecting. When weak insecure beta cucks realize they are being outmatched they start projecting their insecurities and weakness on others. It's a form of self hate.

Here comes the 'wannabe' 'alpha', egging others to waste their time trolling and end up in the same shit as himself. Maybe not on the topic, but the thread has been quiet educational indeed.

 

[secondofangle2]

Yep your right. You can't use a calculator in ELR, everyone uses real DOPE.
^^^
This was sarcasm, you need to tune and true your ballistic solver so it does match up or damn close so that you can trust it to atleast get you a miss that you can spot. The fact is the numbers it spits out will be close enough for you to get a comparison of what the ballistic differences are.

time to unwatch

Oh, but Taylorbok, you're not watching closely enough! - Harry comes here again and again, plays the coy, naive, but interested novice, asks for experience, and then mocks and ridicules all the experienced guys who point out the naivete of his questions acusing them of "lack of experience". It's pretty comical.

Harry, bro, - experienced shooters understand that the calculators can be trusted. People with "real world experience" that contradicts, say, AB Mobile - the ones you seem to seek - are the ones you may not want to trust. Carry on.

 

[secondofangle2]

why is this guy not banned as a non-contributing zero (aka troll) already?

 

[harry_x1]

Oh, but Taylorbok, you're not watching closely enough! - Harry comes here again and again, plays the coy, naive, but interested novice, asks for experience, and then mocks and ridicules all the experienced guys who point out the naivete of his questions acusing them of "lack of experience". It's pretty comical.

Harry, bro, - experienced shooters understand that the calculators can be trusted. People with "real world experience" that contradicts, say, AB Mobile - the ones you seem to seek - are the ones you may not want to trust. Carry on.

Here comes another attention seeking faggot. Jumping into a shitpool for the fun of it.

 

[DeathBeforeDismount]

 

[Taylorbok]

Here comes another attention seeking faggot. Jumping into a shitpool for the fun of it.

At this point we are all over here in the hot tub pointing and laughing at you doing the front crawl in the kiddie pool that you soiled yourself.

 

[harry_x1]

How many of you dumbheads have actually shot a 33xc in real life?

 

[Bandit320]

Harry, no one is going to help you. You asked your questions that anyone who had every shot any form of ELR would know, then you insulted the people who were nice enough to answer you questions and went of on multiple rants.

You’re obviously a troll, and not an overly bright one.

 

[harry_x1]

Harry, no one is going to help you. You asked your questions that anyone who had every shot any form of ELR would know, then you insulted the people who were nice enough to answer you questions and went of on multiple rants.

You’re obviously a troll, and not an overly bright one.

Your broke ass has never even seen a 33xc in real life, leave alone shot one.

No bigger an insult is enough to stop you imbeciles from continuing to waste time, but one can only hope that you learnt something from your thrashing. Good Bye.

 

[Bandit320]

I really hope this is goodbye from you, and as they say, good riddance.

 

[secondofangle2]

Hey Harry Palms, Mr. big bucks, you giant swinging dick with all sorts of fat stacks (and I bet fat rolls, too) why don’t you just pay somebody to help you with your 33XC, you high-roller, you? This is a pretty lowly place for a guy like you to be hanging out, trying to get shit for free, isn’t it?

Put your money where your big fat mouth is and come back and post pictures your results in these competitions you hope to participate in. Videos too, please Harry?

 

[Chandalar]

Harry,

Just out of curiosity, do you show this level of disrespect, and degrading on all shooting sites that you are apart of? It’s fascinating that you seem to think that some one would communicate with you after reading this thread, your responses, and comments.

 

[diverdon]

If Harry has the wealth he implies then he should buy both and tell us the differences.

Funny that the guy who has neither calls out all who lack both.

 

[Lowlight]

The Tubb stuff is very efficient. it's very accurate

There is nothing wrong with a 338, you just have to load it right, too many handicap the cartridge by going heavier than necessary or needed.

But any of the Tubb Cartridges are gonna be very good, the question becomes can you exploit it

 

[cas6969]

If Harry has the wealth he implies then he should buy both and tell us the differences.

But if he loads them similar to his claimed 6.5cm loads, all the data will be skewed.

 

[Phatcow]

Oh my God this thread is my early Christmas present

 

[CBJ]

Forums for little girls. Your opinions mean shit. What a bunch of little girls

 

[BCX]

Dick, is that you bud? Your 5th message and your name calling? Take a hike!

 

[Huskydriver]

Forums for little girls. Your opinions mean shit. What a bunch of little girls

That day drinking tho....