Many of us lean towards protecting our property and loved ones with the lawful use of some type of firearm. I was wondering how many people actually use a Protection Dog? Defined as a dog professionally trained as an attack animal versus watchdog.
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PROTECTION DOGS
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Hi,
1 Vote Yes here, lol...
But note: Personal Protection Dogs are different than Estate/Property Protection Dogs.
Very very very few dogs can handle both IMO....
Sincerely,
Theis
1 Vote Yes here, lol...
But note: Personal Protection Dogs are different than Estate/Property Protection Dogs.
Very very very few dogs can handle both IMO....
Sincerely,
Theis
I was asking out of curiosity, not need. I don’t have that kind of money and don’t want the headaches. Firearms are enough.
mine sure were protecting me last night at 0400 when a fire truck went by the front road.
first time they have done it in the house.
these characters went full howl at the firetruck, two big german sheppards, at 0400
fuckers
first time they have done it in the house.
these characters went full howl at the firetruck, two big german sheppards, at 0400
fuckers
Something you might want to consider, is you may not need or be able to have in your living situation, the kind of dog that does your fighting for you.
That doesn't mean however you shouldn't get a dog that will let you know the fight might be coming and alert you to something sketchy long before you would have figured it out by surprise on your own.
You may also find that a pair or several decent large dogs with powerful barks make the idiot class of criminals think a bit more carefully about if they should pick your house or your neighbor's house to break into.
Dogs will of course have their limits with anyone ready for them that knows how to neutralize them and get on with things.
LOL! "Singin' with the Sirens" I call it. My shorthairs (that have hound in them) would do that. Grendel would howl deep like the basic siren. When the EMV came to traffic and used the various high pitched sounds for people to move off the road, Bobo, the little female would sing with that. So funny, Grendel with the long deep howl, and Bobo's little high pitched yodel as fast as the siren.
To the OP:
If you have trained dogs for protection, I would seriously look at hiring a handler to handle them. They have a lot of energy and a lot of drive to tear up perps...and other shit. It's a full time job with them. Not just leave those dogs in the yard. Your liability increases tenfold without handlers.
Personally, I like a dog that just barks when someone comes around. That way I have the decision to use force or not. My male shorthair (passed) got pretty scary around people when he felt he wanted to "protect". Once he got used to people he was mr. friendly with them.
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i used to have some martial arts students who were K9 Handlers in the Military and for local Police/SWAT. I have owned and trained dogs but not for protection but being folks who had a mutual interest in dogs we shared quite a few beers and many discussions about professional dogs.
Real live attack trained dogs are a handful in behavior and liability. Give serious thought to this idea and good luck as not everyone is cut out to handle dogs trained to attack. Pound for pound a dog is 4X as strong as a human and they are way smarter and more tuned in terms of smell, sight, etc. than humans. Not everyone can be trained to live and work with these animals. Training the handler is as important as training the dog. Having owned giant breeds and Labradors that were *not* attack trained and witnessed what they could do in defense of home and hearth and have no desire to own a dog specifically trained to overcome a person.
Too much work - too much liability. For me. Others perspectives might vary.
VooDoo
Real live attack trained dogs are a handful in behavior and liability. Give serious thought to this idea and good luck as not everyone is cut out to handle dogs trained to attack. Pound for pound a dog is 4X as strong as a human and they are way smarter and more tuned in terms of smell, sight, etc. than humans. Not everyone can be trained to live and work with these animals. Training the handler is as important as training the dog. Having owned giant breeds and Labradors that were *not* attack trained and witnessed what they could do in defense of home and hearth and have no desire to own a dog specifically trained to overcome a person.
Too much work - too much liability. For me. Others perspectives might vary.
VooDoo
She wasnt bite trained but both her parents were. I thought about getting her bite trained but decided against it. Smartest dog ive ever owned. Definitely a handful but a fun, loyal smart dog. Have a buddy that always comes in my back door, never knocks. He scared her one time when he came over and she scared the shit out of him before i caught her. Really thought she was gonna get him.
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Hi,
A couple suggestions for anyone that uses the dogs as more of an alert system than protection system...specifically in regards to Property/Estate Protection.
1. Only allow your dog to eat and drink from a specific bowl and not one they have access to around the clock.
A: This makes it easier to teach the dog to never eat anything someone may toss into the yard.
B: Never let friends, etc give your dog treats.
2. Do not let your dog run to your fence, even if someone is on the other side of it.
A: Broom handle with a nail in it is a silent killer of a fence dog.
B: Your insurance company will love you too.
Sincerely,
Theis
A couple suggestions for anyone that uses the dogs as more of an alert system than protection system...specifically in regards to Property/Estate Protection.
1. Only allow your dog to eat and drink from a specific bowl and not one they have access to around the clock.
A: This makes it easier to teach the dog to never eat anything someone may toss into the yard.
B: Never let friends, etc give your dog treats.
2. Do not let your dog run to your fence, even if someone is on the other side of it.
A: Broom handle with a nail in it is a silent killer of a fence dog.
B: Your insurance company will love you too.
Sincerely,
Theis
Mine goes nuts if someone comes around the house. If they come inside he wants to play. I'm sure he would lick an intruder to death.
The best watchdog I had was a Dachshund. She was a barker for anything around the house. Sometimes irritating, but a great pet and nothing escaped her attention. My last dogs were Greyhounds. They'd welcome anyone into the home. However, to the original post. I was just curious if others actually had them. I was not considering getting one. I believe I'm done with dogs and pets for now, if not for good. Better for me to travel and see my children and grandchildren.
I have several large pitbulls and bully pits that started life as fighting dogs...I rescued them and trained them for home protection..if I had to choose I would rather be shot than face those 3
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I have a South American boerboel that I do bite work and obedience training with. He is very social, gets along with other dogs, loves kids and is very gentle. Just don’t try to do anything to my wife or show aggression towards a child.
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I'm kind of assuming that anyone kicking in my door after hearing some big dogs barking is going to be coming in hot & it's going to be a gunfight, so even at worst case, my dogs will provide a bit of warning that somebody is approaching & since their usual reaction is to run to see anybody coming in, they will provide at least a bit of a speed bump / short distraction to hopefully let me get my pistol out and ready.
Three Belgian Malinois. One travels with my wife. One travels with me. One was “rescued” from a family that had zero business with a Mali and lives on the farm with my in-laws as a companion for an older farm dog.
They all have varying levels of sociability from running around my office mooching off little old ladies to some form of restraint 24/7.
We trust them infinitely. Although I may or may not be banned from a certain drive thru.
They all have varying levels of sociability from running around my office mooching off little old ladies to some form of restraint 24/7.
We trust them infinitely. Although I may or may not be banned from a certain drive thru.
One word of caution, though. The "protection" dog market can be closely equated to the horse trading business. Just because someone has a dog that will wear out a bite sleeve, doesn't make it a protection K9. Seek advice from a trainer that is willing to put his/ her national reputation on it.
i don't consider my Mal a protection K9 by any stretch of the definition. She's more of an early warning/ anti-theft device (when left in the vehicle)
i don't consider my Mal a protection K9 by any stretch of the definition. She's more of an early warning/ anti-theft device (when left in the vehicle)
Have lived in some horrifically bad neighborhoods in NOLA when I was a starving student on 2 different stretches. Running crackheads off with a firearm of choice was an occasional part of life at the time. I came to really like Rots then and always kept one although I had a doberman too for some years then that worked as well. They are restless at night and go investigate things and can sound the alarm quite well. Im a heavy sleeper so they were invaluable. They required no training to be like that other than dont crate train them for obvious reasons. I'll never be without a Rot again for that reason and dont feel the need to train them specifically. Home security should be as many layers as possible and they are a fantastic layer as is. They are basically an alarm and then 'beware of owner'.
One night I went to sneak into my own house at 2am so as not to wake the wife after being out with the guys. Rot didnt realize it was me and came flying through the house in the dark snarling at me. I was able to get the light on and say his name enough in time for him to realize it was me, but I would have shit myself if I was an intruder. He actually did squirt anal musk all over but was certainly going to do his job. Sweetheart of a family dog otherwise-
One night I went to sneak into my own house at 2am so as not to wake the wife after being out with the guys. Rot didnt realize it was me and came flying through the house in the dark snarling at me. I was able to get the light on and say his name enough in time for him to realize it was me, but I would have shit myself if I was an intruder. He actually did squirt anal musk all over but was certainly going to do his job. Sweetheart of a family dog otherwise-
My dog barks when I pull in the driveway, then meets me at the door with a toy in his mouth. Black lab, by no means a bite dog but definitely an alert dog.
I’m considering switching his day toys out with night toys that look like grenades and sticks of dynamite. Make you think twice when you open the door and he’s standing there with that in his mouth ?
I’m considering switching his day toys out with night toys that look like grenades and sticks of dynamite. Make you think twice when you open the door and he’s standing there with that in his mouth ?
If you setup a dog door to the outside, then your dogs can be comfortable in the house & with you and then free to fly out into the yard the moment they hear something.
Dog doors can let things in, as well as dogs out.
Best dog i had was a rott bitch. Sweetheart, but you didnt fuck with me or the wife; or try to come in uninvited.
A good doberman would be about the same, albeit a higher energy level. Rotts are laid back, and match my personality well.
Best dog i had was a rott bitch. Sweetheart, but you didnt fuck with me or the wife; or try to come in uninvited.
A good doberman would be about the same, albeit a higher energy level. Rotts are laid back, and match my personality well.
ive had two dobies over the years. black and tan male would keep my daughter who was 4 at the time from heading towards the street when she played in the yard. he would get in between her and anyone who pulled up in the driveway. Would hate to see what he wouldve done to someone who tried to mess with her. He slept with her every night.
Hi,
IMO dog doors are another no for me.
All it takes is a trash can lid to block the door and lock the dog outside because it ran to backside of yard because a noise was heard.
Kinda like having your firearm in the vehicle at that point as far as the dog is concerned.
Sincerely,
Theis
IMO dog doors are another no for me.
All it takes is a trash can lid to block the door and lock the dog outside because it ran to backside of yard because a noise was heard.
Kinda like having your firearm in the vehicle at that point as far as the dog is concerned.
Sincerely,
Theis
If someone is able to get to where they can get in your dog door or block your dog door, from the dogs getting back in, that means that
a. The dogs have already been dealt with and either way that part is out of the equation.
b. They are already in your yard and could just as easily be breaking in a window or drilling the lock, or anything else to get in, unless you happen to have a super secure house.
I live in the middle of a bean field. I ain't having no dog door to let every critter in NC into my house. I'd have coons, snakes, bugs, and possums chillin in my living room. That's a hard pass from me.
It sounds like you don't have a solid fence around your house, in that case it makes lots of sense not to have a dog door.
In my case I have a high solid fence around the yard area that can be accessed from the dog door.
I did however have rats getting through the dog door till I killed them all off (but the dog door was the least of my problems, the squirrels and the rats were eating through anything in the outer walls of the house not made of brick, till I killed enough of them off).
if the comment that a blob always wins is true then I want 500 little ankle biters that are trained to kill It could be fun having a hoard of tiny dogs trained to obey till they turn agents you Willard the movie about rats comes to mind . lol Night of the Lepus type of stuff .
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If I had a nickle for every dogo I have ran or have seen get ran, I'd have $.45, which is 100% of all the dogos I've personally seen worked. All Argentine imports and high dollar. Beautiful dogs but not a good choice for actual protection work. I've also ran 140lb Cane Corso's too so I'm not just picking on Dogos.
I have three of them and they are fine. Very very smart and they bond closely with the family. If I invite you in your all good but another male coming into my house when I am not there is not a good idea and I have my wife put them in the cages. If you bring a child in my home my male will be checking you out the whole time and make sure you aren't a threat to the kids. if you want more info let me know my friends are very good breeders, great dogs. I breed as well but not as much. They are Magni Boerboels. Check them out on face book. My black male is Magni Duma. My other two are his son and daughter.
My buddy specializes in protection dogs. Look him up.
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So in past couple of decades we had 6 Briards and 1 Black Russian Terrier and only one Briard female we adopted would possibly react this way (we happened to bump onto a bear at less than 10m on one of our walks and that one came to hide behind the owner while the male was not giving an Inch ,luckily bear did not want any thing just being left alone , but for remainder of the walk both dogs seemed quite rattled no running around like normal )
In past 2 decades we had number of attempted breakins , none succesfull some ended in a dogchase , in one case i had dog inside for some reason and perp actualy came in house and all hell broke loose ,badguy at that moment could have easily ran down Usain Bolt . Courrent BRT is a particulary cool customer a 135lb of furry muscle ,seems to be quite a deterent ,no attempted in breakins past 7+ years .
Realisticaly even if the dogs engaged i only really think last of the Briards we had would go into it as life or death struggle. But you do not need a killer dog for him to be effective.
He was total king , a dog you find once in a generation , beyond loyal and obdeient you could recall out of a fight , and one that could own animal or man much larger than him . Would always line up strangers up a wall shooting squad style ,had an issurance claim or two on his behalf.
But like some one hinted have dogs insured as ,sooner than later you could find yourself in positon for legal and/or financial claims.
In any case i prefer my dogs not trained to bite its a habit that is impossble to control when dogs are alone. Most owners are not responsible enough for 'attack dogs' even most LE ''attack dogs'' are not even remotely reliable and more or lees need a muzze cage working in public. Attack dog is the low end brute LE uses in crowd control and prison riots , nothing you would want to own.
Untrained and unsocialised dogs you see locked up in car dealers lots are not ''attack dogs'' .
In past 2 decades we had number of attempted breakins , none succesfull some ended in a dogchase , in one case i had dog inside for some reason and perp actualy came in house and all hell broke loose ,badguy at that moment could have easily ran down Usain Bolt . Courrent BRT is a particulary cool customer a 135lb of furry muscle ,seems to be quite a deterent ,no attempted in breakins past 7+ years .
Realisticaly even if the dogs engaged i only really think last of the Briards we had would go into it as life or death struggle. But you do not need a killer dog for him to be effective.
He was total king , a dog you find once in a generation , beyond loyal and obdeient you could recall out of a fight , and one that could own animal or man much larger than him . Would always line up strangers up a wall shooting squad style ,had an issurance claim or two on his behalf.
But like some one hinted have dogs insured as ,sooner than later you could find yourself in positon for legal and/or financial claims.
In any case i prefer my dogs not trained to bite its a habit that is impossble to control when dogs are alone. Most owners are not responsible enough for 'attack dogs' even most LE ''attack dogs'' are not even remotely reliable and more or lees need a muzze cage working in public. Attack dog is the low end brute LE uses in crowd control and prison riots , nothing you would want to own.
Untrained and unsocialised dogs you see locked up in car dealers lots are not ''attack dogs'' .
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