Has anyone any experience with one of these. I was thinking of picking one up but thought I'd ask first.
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Re: PTR-91
The PTR-91 rifles are excellent battle rifle clones and the best of the HK clone rifles (STAY AWAY FROM Century, etc.). The ones I have shot have been extremely reliable with a wide range of ammunition and usually capable of sub-2MOA accuracy with decent ammo/shooter (NOT foreign mil surplus, etc.). With a good trigger job (Williams or Springfield) and optics, they are capable of slightly better than that. Your intentions with the rifle dictate whether it is a good option for you, but in terms of function and accuracy for what the rifle was designed to do...it is a great rifle.
I have also used the JLD/PTR-91 receivers for custom builds on HK clone rifles with great success.
The PTR-91 rifles are excellent battle rifle clones and the best of the HK clone rifles (STAY AWAY FROM Century, etc.). The ones I have shot have been extremely reliable with a wide range of ammunition and usually capable of sub-2MOA accuracy with decent ammo/shooter (NOT foreign mil surplus, etc.). With a good trigger job (Williams or Springfield) and optics, they are capable of slightly better than that. Your intentions with the rifle dictate whether it is a good option for you, but in terms of function and accuracy for what the rifle was designed to do...it is a great rifle.
I have also used the JLD/PTR-91 receivers for custom builds on HK clone rifles with great success.
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I've had 2 of the PTR-91 rifles, one was a great shooter right out of the box and worked well and the other never quite shot the way I wanted it to, but overall they are a great rifle. One note is that you can get a real HK 91 used for about $2000 if you look around. The stock trigger on the PTR-91 rifles are very heavy and that makes it a bit hard to use for a target rifle, so you may want to see about trigger work on it at some point.
I'd recommend getting the model with the original HK collapsable stock and the muzzle break (threaded version) then it's easy to swap out the stock to a fixed one if you want and change the break to a flash hider later
They also make a PTR-31 which is the same kind of rifle but it takes AK mags and AK ammo instead and that one is very popular with people that have the $13k registered Full Auto Sears for the HK series as they can swap that in and have fun at a much cheaper price.
I've had 2 of the PTR-91 rifles, one was a great shooter right out of the box and worked well and the other never quite shot the way I wanted it to, but overall they are a great rifle. One note is that you can get a real HK 91 used for about $2000 if you look around. The stock trigger on the PTR-91 rifles are very heavy and that makes it a bit hard to use for a target rifle, so you may want to see about trigger work on it at some point.
I'd recommend getting the model with the original HK collapsable stock and the muzzle break (threaded version) then it's easy to swap out the stock to a fixed one if you want and change the break to a flash hider later
They also make a PTR-31 which is the same kind of rifle but it takes AK mags and AK ammo instead and that one is very popular with people that have the $13k registered Full Auto Sears for the HK series as they can swap that in and have fun at a much cheaper price.
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The collapsable stock is the one Im looking at. Do you think a DSA FAL might be a better rifle for "around" the same price point? Just curious..
The collapsable stock is the one Im looking at. Do you think a DSA FAL might be a better rifle for "around" the same price point? Just curious..
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What, specifically, do you want to be able to do with the rifle (either the DSA or the PTR-91)? Ranges you plan to shoot? What you plan to do with the rifle (paper punching, steel, hunting...type of game, etc.)? What are your accuracy requirements? Do you plan on running a suppressor? Etc.?
Also, which specific models of the PTR and DSA rifles are you considering? Both companies make a fair number of variations on their basic rifles.
Without knowing more details, I will tell you that both the PTR-91 rifles and any of the DSA rifles are reliable, and depending on the model, are all battle rifle accurate (some models are much better in terms of accuracy).
What, specifically, do you want to be able to do with the rifle (either the DSA or the PTR-91)? Ranges you plan to shoot? What you plan to do with the rifle (paper punching, steel, hunting...type of game, etc.)? What are your accuracy requirements? Do you plan on running a suppressor? Etc.?
Also, which specific models of the PTR and DSA rifles are you considering? Both companies make a fair number of variations on their basic rifles.
Without knowing more details, I will tell you that both the PTR-91 rifles and any of the DSA rifles are reliable, and depending on the model, are all battle rifle accurate (some models are much better in terms of accuracy).
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fal design is better. a cheap fal shoots(on average) better accuracy (2moa or less) better than or as good as a hk or clones in my experience. dsa makes good stuff for sure but theyre real proud of it and im not sure the accuracy is really much better. all that said...these are generally battle rifles not "sniper" grade. some guys here swear by ar-10 for precision but im not sure i buy the kool aid.
fal design is better. a cheap fal shoots(on average) better accuracy (2moa or less) better than or as good as a hk or clones in my experience. dsa makes good stuff for sure but theyre real proud of it and im not sure the accuracy is really much better. all that said...these are generally battle rifles not "sniper" grade. some guys here swear by ar-10 for precision but im not sure i buy the kool aid.
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A $30 port buffer will resolve 99% of the issue of brass getting beat to hell (and with it getting thrown 25' away). I run them on my all of my HK rifles, including an MSG-90 clone built on a JLD/PTR-91 receiver. I reload/reuse brass fired out of these port-buffer-equipped rifles all that time with no problems.
A $30 port buffer will resolve 99% of the issue of brass getting beat to hell (and with it getting thrown 25' away). I run them on my all of my HK rifles, including an MSG-90 clone built on a JLD/PTR-91 receiver. I reload/reuse brass fired out of these port-buffer-equipped rifles all that time with no problems.
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Had three PTR91s one was the sniper rifle model that they make thru PTR and it was accurate,the other two one was a collapsible other a fixed,all three we nice rifles but the factor that made me sell them was the brass eating qualities they all come with.the brass comes out totally mangled and i just couldnt reload for it.I had a DSA stg58 carbine,it was alot nicer on brass plus i loved the way it shot and accuracy was good too.Id recommend the DSA but if you have the money to feed and not reload then get the PTR and have someone do a trigger job on it.
Had three PTR91s one was the sniper rifle model that they make thru PTR and it was accurate,the other two one was a collapsible other a fixed,all three we nice rifles but the factor that made me sell them was the brass eating qualities they all come with.the brass comes out totally mangled and i just couldnt reload for it.I had a DSA stg58 carbine,it was alot nicer on brass plus i loved the way it shot and accuracy was good too.Id recommend the DSA but if you have the money to feed and not reload then get the PTR and have someone do a trigger job on it.
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A friend of mine swears by them (PTR), I think he is up to 12 of them now. I like the FAL more, especially with that wood furniture. Would look good next to my belgian hipower.
A friend of mine swears by them (PTR), I think he is up to 12 of them now. I like the FAL more, especially with that wood furniture. Would look good next to my belgian hipower.
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I don't have a PTR, I have an real HK91. I added the brass deflector w/ the rubber pad and now my brass, while marked with the chamber lines, is not damaged. The next thing I added was a very low profile Picatinny rail mount attached via set screws to the upper receiver. This is not a high mount item, just the height of the rail above the receiver. I can now mount any scope/ red dot/ Eotect/Aimpoint I want just where it is supposed to be. My HK shoots very well w/ tried/proven factory & handloads. I killed a gobbler a long time ago @ 300yds+ with it(backbone shot). Got to add one thing. In 1987, when I was new State Police Officer, one of my gun-loving co-workers had this gun, almost unfired, wanting a Browning Hi-Power (mm. I had one I bought new in 1971 for $151.00 We traded even!!! Note to veiwers-My HK is NOT for sale! Everyone be safe.
I don't have a PTR, I have an real HK91. I added the brass deflector w/ the rubber pad and now my brass, while marked with the chamber lines, is not damaged. The next thing I added was a very low profile Picatinny rail mount attached via set screws to the upper receiver. This is not a high mount item, just the height of the rail above the receiver. I can now mount any scope/ red dot/ Eotect/Aimpoint I want just where it is supposed to be. My HK shoots very well w/ tried/proven factory & handloads. I killed a gobbler a long time ago @ 300yds+ with it(backbone shot). Got to add one thing. In 1987, when I was new State Police Officer, one of my gun-loving co-workers had this gun, almost unfired, wanting a Browning Hi-Power (mm. I had one I bought new in 1971 for $151.00 We traded even!!! Note to veiwers-My HK is NOT for sale! Everyone be safe.
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: DirtyRod</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Can you post a pic of the rail on the rifle? I have a claw mount on my 91. Works well but interested in seeing what else is available. </div></div>
There are several options out there for adding a rail (instead of the traditional claw-lock scope mount) to the HK-91 and clone rifles, the best of which is the Brugger & Thomet (B&T) units. The B&T isn't cheap by any means, but they are built like tanks and unlike some of their knock-off counterparts, will stay put once mounted. Ironically, DSA Arms (the company building incredible FALs) is the best source in the USA for B&T parts/accessories...see here:
http://www.dsarms.com/HK-G3_91-CETME-Low-Mount---BT21174/productinfo/BT21174/
Now, with that said, if you absolutely can't swallow paying $150+ for a rail mount setup for your HK91 or clone, a company called MFI makes a mount that a lot of folks are running, but I have seen them have trouble holding up to use and staying tight on the receiver. However, they are only $30 or so...see here:
http://www.hkparts.net/shop/pc/HK-Low-Profile-Scope-Mount-For-All-HK-Rifles-Pistols-MFI-118p762.htm
Good luck!
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: DirtyRod</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Can you post a pic of the rail on the rifle? I have a claw mount on my 91. Works well but interested in seeing what else is available. </div></div>
There are several options out there for adding a rail (instead of the traditional claw-lock scope mount) to the HK-91 and clone rifles, the best of which is the Brugger & Thomet (B&T) units. The B&T isn't cheap by any means, but they are built like tanks and unlike some of their knock-off counterparts, will stay put once mounted. Ironically, DSA Arms (the company building incredible FALs) is the best source in the USA for B&T parts/accessories...see here:
http://www.dsarms.com/HK-G3_91-CETME-Low-Mount---BT21174/productinfo/BT21174/
Now, with that said, if you absolutely can't swallow paying $150+ for a rail mount setup for your HK91 or clone, a company called MFI makes a mount that a lot of folks are running, but I have seen them have trouble holding up to use and staying tight on the receiver. However, they are only $30 or so...see here:
http://www.hkparts.net/shop/pc/HK-Low-Profile-Scope-Mount-For-All-HK-Rifles-Pistols-MFI-118p762.htm
Good luck!
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I had the PTR91K for four years and I thought it was excellent. It is hard on brass, but by all accounts it is still reloadable. I did sell my rifle and would consider the carbine version of the FAL next, if I were looking for a new .308 European carbine style rifle. I don't think you can go very wrong either way.
I had the PTR91K for four years and I thought it was excellent. It is hard on brass, but by all accounts it is still reloadable. I did sell my rifle and would consider the carbine version of the FAL next, if I were looking for a new .308 European carbine style rifle. I don't think you can go very wrong either way.
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Dirty Rod- I'll have to hook up my digital camera and take the shot for you. I can't remember where I got my mount, I think I was just surfing stuff like "HK-91 Gun Parts" on Google and found a picture of it in an on-line catalog. My rail is flat on the receiver, just the height of the rail, no "legs" or B-Square monster mount. It looks just like a rail would look on a bolt action rifle receiver. It is low enough that a 30MM Tasco Red Dot co-witnesses with the front sight. Cost was $75.00. Warning about some parts I found on line. I bought a bipod for my HK91 from some suppiler and it was not German, Made in Pakistan. It did not last a month before one of the potmetal-looking legs broke off.
Dirty Rod- I'll have to hook up my digital camera and take the shot for you. I can't remember where I got my mount, I think I was just surfing stuff like "HK-91 Gun Parts" on Google and found a picture of it in an on-line catalog. My rail is flat on the receiver, just the height of the rail, no "legs" or B-Square monster mount. It looks just like a rail would look on a bolt action rifle receiver. It is low enough that a 30MM Tasco Red Dot co-witnesses with the front sight. Cost was $75.00. Warning about some parts I found on line. I bought a bipod for my HK91 from some suppiler and it was not German, Made in Pakistan. It did not last a month before one of the potmetal-looking legs broke off.
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One thing to consider is magazine price/availability. The HK mags are going for $.97 (+shipping) at Cheaper Than Dirt. They say they're used, but most come in great shape (read the reviews), and are made by HK. From talking to a buddy who has an FAL, the mags are getting a little harder to find, and are going for around $15 a piece (still not a bad price).
I just purchased a 91F Special Edition, but haven't had a chance to shoot it. An FAL is on my list to buy, though!
One thing to consider is magazine price/availability. The HK mags are going for $.97 (+shipping) at Cheaper Than Dirt. They say they're used, but most come in great shape (read the reviews), and are made by HK. From talking to a buddy who has an FAL, the mags are getting a little harder to find, and are going for around $15 a piece (still not a bad price).
I just purchased a 91F Special Edition, but haven't had a chance to shoot it. An FAL is on my list to buy, though!
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Holy crap, 3PER, that bolt looks nasty!! Did you have to pay for the bolt, or did PTR cover it?
Holy crap, 3PER, that bolt looks nasty!! Did you have to pay for the bolt, or did PTR cover it?
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PTRs are some good firearms in my experience. Like the HK you have to keep the head spacing checked (I NEVER had to chnage it - but I DID check it ...), but other than this I never had an issue.
Parts - contact Robert at http://www.robertrtg.com/g3.html
PTRs are some good firearms in my experience. Like the HK you have to keep the head spacing checked (I NEVER had to chnage it - but I DID check it ...), but other than this I never had an issue.
Parts - contact Robert at http://www.robertrtg.com/g3.html
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 199thINF</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Holy crap, 3PER, that bolt looks nasty!! Did you have to pay for the bolt, or did PTR cover it? </div></div>
Yeah, PTR is making their own bolts now because the HK bolts are no longer being imported and I guess they had a learning curve.
After the second one broke I got them to replace the rifle and while I was waiting I just ordered the HK bolt and installed it as soon as I got the new rifle. Never even tried the PTR bolt again but I have it as a spare I guess. I paid for the HK bolt myself. Adam at HK Parts told me he had never seen an HK bolt broken. So far so good.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 199thINF</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Holy crap, 3PER, that bolt looks nasty!! Did you have to pay for the bolt, or did PTR cover it? </div></div>
Yeah, PTR is making their own bolts now because the HK bolts are no longer being imported and I guess they had a learning curve.
After the second one broke I got them to replace the rifle and while I was waiting I just ordered the HK bolt and installed it as soon as I got the new rifle. Never even tried the PTR bolt again but I have it as a spare I guess. I paid for the HK bolt myself. Adam at HK Parts told me he had never seen an HK bolt broken. So far so good.
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At $200 a pop for an HK bolt, that's a lot of money to make the rifle right... Something to consider when buying I guess... I bought mine through Davidson's so I have the Lifetime warranty, but it makes a person a little uneasy...
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