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Purposed NY gun/ammo/SM B/S
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New York is on the fast track to becoming the next San Francisco. It's government have become nothing but an elitist compost bag full of raw sewage that is leaking quite happily into the pro-USA communities beyond the urban cesspools of NYC, Nassau, and Albany.
At the same time, I hope that this nonsense is going to get the Fudds to finally wake the fuck up and the real Patriots to start uniting in earnest. Nothing short of a Virginia style response coordinated by our own home state version of the VCDL is going to make any headway in this place.
We are going to need a lot of help in the upcoming months or so. The leftists might not be able to take over the Red southern states, for now, and they are doubling their efforts on trying to drive their own districts right into the river.
At the same time, I hope that this nonsense is going to get the Fudds to finally wake the fuck up and the real Patriots to start uniting in earnest. Nothing short of a Virginia style response coordinated by our own home state version of the VCDL is going to make any headway in this place.
We are going to need a lot of help in the upcoming months or so. The leftists might not be able to take over the Red southern states, for now, and they are doubling their efforts on trying to drive their own districts right into the river.
What's even more fucked up is that New Yorkers only seem to have two choices when it comes to 'pro-2A' organizations. The NRA or the NYSRPA (NYS Rifle and Pistol Association). I don't have any faith in the former. The latter is more local and it's members share the same concerns as everyone else because they are from the same communities. I am going forward this image to the NYSRPA later and see if they know anything about this crap. And I might join up on one of the home state gun forums and see if anyone is stirring on this.
Email sent to the NYSRPA along with attachment.
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Good morning,
I am a concerned New York State citizen and I just want to bring to your attention several new proposed anti-gun bills that have allegedly been drafted. I received this image file today and I am forwarding it to you in the attachment. Based on the speed at which those bills were proposed and the very little coverage about it, it seems that the antis are trying to sneak these bills under the noses of their constituents and this is very concerning to all law abiding gun owners in this state. Thank you for taking the time to look into this and alert our communities,
Raymond
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I am going to update this when I get a response from them. In the meantime, off to the local boards and see if I can get 'em stirring...
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Good morning,
I am a concerned New York State citizen and I just want to bring to your attention several new proposed anti-gun bills that have allegedly been drafted. I received this image file today and I am forwarding it to you in the attachment. Based on the speed at which those bills were proposed and the very little coverage about it, it seems that the antis are trying to sneak these bills under the noses of their constituents and this is very concerning to all law abiding gun owners in this state. Thank you for taking the time to look into this and alert our communities,
Raymond
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I am going to update this when I get a response from them. In the meantime, off to the local boards and see if I can get 'em stirring...
I am sure that the NRA has lawyers all over this.
Welp incrementalism seems to be about over.
Hey Mr politician how about we search your social media 20 years back and plaster it all over your campaign materials and then make you pass a federal top secret security clearance before taking offfice?
Oh and while you’re at it burn up the BOR and amend the COTUS to say “you pussies are only as free as we say you are”.
Hey Mr politician how about we search your social media 20 years back and plaster it all over your campaign materials and then make you pass a federal top secret security clearance before taking offfice?
Oh and while you’re at it burn up the BOR and amend the COTUS to say “you pussies are only as free as we say you are”.
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Others have proposed similar laws. And, it's an impossible law, in that fulfilling that requirement will literally be impossible. You can be SURE that no insurance company will underwrite a policy that indemnifies the holder for committing a CRIME.
Actionable "damages" resulting from the use of a firearm are a CRIME. And, the notion of an insurance company indemnifying a policy holder against liability for breaking the law is LAUGHABLE.
So, either the lawmakers are idiots (entirely possible) for not even understanding what INSURANCE is. Or, they KNOW it's an impossibility, and they see it as a back door approach to disarmament. Of course, it won't work. But, they are desperate and will try anything. Or... they're simply idiots.
The insurance companies would LAUGH at this concept. In fact, ALL insurance policies specifically EXCLUDE liability resulting from illegal activity. I have malpractice insurance, but it won't pay if my actions that result in injury were CRIMINAL.
The proposed law mandates the purchase of a product that doesn't exist and will never exist.
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So, this bill applies to "assault weapon ammunition," which is as mythical as "assault weapon." So, in order to implement this law, the firearm has to be registered (as stipulated in the bill). And, the amount of ammo purchased limited to twice the capacity. According to NY law, the max capacity of a magazine is 10 rounds (but you can only load 7! LOL!). But, we'll go with 10 as the capacity.
So, that means you can only buy 20 rounds of ammo over a 4 month period! LOL! The proposed law is preposterous on its face. IF it passes, it will be inevitably successfully challenged in court.
Just more throwing disarmament spaghetti against the wall to see if it sticks.
So, the only way they could review my Facebook posts (as an example) would be to demand my user ID and password.
I would think this is a violation of the 4th and 5th Amendments. Possibly a 1st and 14th Amendment violation as well.
You must willingly surrender your credentials or no soup for you.
This one is just silly, of course. More spaghetti against the wall.
Of course, we all know that firearms ownership has little to do with hunting. And, the bill fails to stipulate the parameters of the "shooting range test" that must be passed at 90%. Interestingly, the NY state police firearms qualifications test requires only a 70% passing rate.
If they required passing a drug test and mental evaluation for the exercise of Free Speech, Freedom of Assembly, voting, to assert your Right to Privacy, and so on.... it would be deemed unconstitutional immediately. The 2nd Amendment is no different.
That’s why the left never gets people on board with idiotic firearm laws.
If you want to check my search engine/google...what criteria are they making decisions with. Pornhub is ok but snipershide isn’t?
How are they able to decipher a hacked account from a legitimate account.
How can they legally prove that it was you who typed in a particular search and not you spouse during a ugly divorce etc....
Firearm is a single shot. Ammo manufactures only sell in 20rd (choose qty) boxes...you are not able to purchase ammo ever again.
Welcome to law school guys...idiots
Well why didn’t you keep your wimmins edgumacated on reality all these years instead of handing them over to the likes of the housewives of New York reality series and the gay food network channel?
Menfolk dropped the ball on societal rot too.
If there are any good organizations like VCDL in NY, I stand by ready to support them with funds. Please post up any good groups if anyone strongly supports them.
I would be buying CASES of ammo if I lived in upstate NY. I take a class there pretty much every year and the people there have absolutely nothing in common with the idiots that live on the island of Manhattan
FUAC, i can't wait to leave this state. Its all fucktard downstaters.
Lol women want to mother / take care of everyone.
Their voting led to the welfare state and the societal rot you speak of.
Do you think you'd be protected with your actions on this site?
Public or private message?
Ip address?
R
This insurance bullshit, almost word for word, has been suggested in Colorado. Makes it so obvious that "groups" are just paying off politicians and handing them the same verbatim legislation to present. How is this legal? Even though I'm sure it probably is.
I guess I'm not understanding your question. Protected? With my actions on this site? Yeah... not following. Sorry.
Concerning your Constitutional rights on social media and here.
They'll find and twist and use anything.
We are the very low hanging fruit compared to a billionaire/President.
R
I'm suggesting that the law, if passed, could and would be challenged in court on a constitutional basis. I have not suggested I feel "immune" to anything. Anyone who wants to search me up on Google is free to do so. But, I won't volunteer my passwords to anything. Thankfully, I don't live in the un-free nation of New York.
So they can blow me on every one of these bills. Sick of living in fear of what these retards want to jam down our throats just because they think they can.
Oh yeah, these are the same assholes that just passed bail reform to allow criminals, rapists, murderers and any other repeat offenders to walk the streets but they want me to have a million dollar insurance policy "in case" I do something wrong?
Downstate politicians and the Governors office in NY is a joke and that's a compliment. Just when I thought the dumb couldn't get any dumber they certainly don't disappoint and regardless of whether or not these pass, if a serious cleansing does not take place at the next election it's time to start looking at a move.
The end result they are looking at is just to gradually remove all firearms and ammunition from the state of NY over time. Would be very admirable if the ones that vote in favor of doing so start showing up door to door to take what isn't rightfully theirs. But I'm guessing we won't be seeing them anytime soon.
Oh yeah, these are the same assholes that just passed bail reform to allow criminals, rapists, murderers and any other repeat offenders to walk the streets but they want me to have a million dollar insurance policy "in case" I do something wrong?
Downstate politicians and the Governors office in NY is a joke and that's a compliment. Just when I thought the dumb couldn't get any dumber they certainly don't disappoint and regardless of whether or not these pass, if a serious cleansing does not take place at the next election it's time to start looking at a move.
The end result they are looking at is just to gradually remove all firearms and ammunition from the state of NY over time. Would be very admirable if the ones that vote in favor of doing so start showing up door to door to take what isn't rightfully theirs. But I'm guessing we won't be seeing them anytime soon.
Those are not gun "regulations"
It is essentially a full on Gun Ban.
Requiring a million dollars of liability insurance is going to put gun ownership out of reach for everyone except the very wealthy and of course their private security companies.
Limiting ammuniton purchases to either 20 round total or 10 rounds total (remember it's illegal to have more than 10 round pistol magazines or 5 round rifle magazines) per 4 months essentially means no shooting and no way to practice or even to get ammo for the "Test"
Of course the test will be rigged to be much harder than the tests the "King's Men" have to take to make sure citizens can't pass it.
Then you get down to Thought Crime.... YES, FULL ON 1984 style Thought Crime policing.
Not only do they want all your social media but apparently your internet search history (how they plan to get that and from what sources is unclear).
So the "Committee" can just simply block you because they haven't gotten around to looking yet or want to question every thing you have ever searched for.
People need to wake up and see that this is NOT "regulations"
This is a full out ban worded to skirt the constitution since our corrupt, sickening, bought and paid for judiciary absolutely refuses to support the second amendment. Of course watch the judiciary also start refusing to support the first amendment if the "speech" is not "politically correct"
This of course is the same politicians that just got done handing out driver's licenses to every illegal that wants them and blocking the US government from looking at the databases for criminal records.
But in the end the stupid sheep keep voting for this because bread/circuses/feel good/virtue signalling.
There really isn't much hope to fix it until we have some major upheaval or catastrophic event where current society hits the wall at full speed and completely breaks down and the good folks left can hope to right the ship.
It may be possible to fix it at the federal level if we could ever get politicians with integrity, conviction and a love of liberty, because we could just do federal pre-emption of all state laws much like many other things the judiciary is happy to back such as the NFA and all kinds of other Federal restrictions. The courts just don't like freedom.
I somehow doubt it however, I think it's going to have to wait for the full collapse.
It is essentially a full on Gun Ban.
Requiring a million dollars of liability insurance is going to put gun ownership out of reach for everyone except the very wealthy and of course their private security companies.
Limiting ammuniton purchases to either 20 round total or 10 rounds total (remember it's illegal to have more than 10 round pistol magazines or 5 round rifle magazines) per 4 months essentially means no shooting and no way to practice or even to get ammo for the "Test"
Of course the test will be rigged to be much harder than the tests the "King's Men" have to take to make sure citizens can't pass it.
Then you get down to Thought Crime.... YES, FULL ON 1984 style Thought Crime policing.
Not only do they want all your social media but apparently your internet search history (how they plan to get that and from what sources is unclear).
So the "Committee" can just simply block you because they haven't gotten around to looking yet or want to question every thing you have ever searched for.
People need to wake up and see that this is NOT "regulations"
This is a full out ban worded to skirt the constitution since our corrupt, sickening, bought and paid for judiciary absolutely refuses to support the second amendment. Of course watch the judiciary also start refusing to support the first amendment if the "speech" is not "politically correct"
This of course is the same politicians that just got done handing out driver's licenses to every illegal that wants them and blocking the US government from looking at the databases for criminal records.
But in the end the stupid sheep keep voting for this because bread/circuses/feel good/virtue signalling.
There really isn't much hope to fix it until we have some major upheaval or catastrophic event where current society hits the wall at full speed and completely breaks down and the good folks left can hope to right the ship.
It may be possible to fix it at the federal level if we could ever get politicians with integrity, conviction and a love of liberty, because we could just do federal pre-emption of all state laws much like many other things the judiciary is happy to back such as the NFA and all kinds of other Federal restrictions. The courts just don't like freedom.
I somehow doubt it however, I think it's going to have to wait for the full collapse.
I'd like to agree.
SCOTUS is all but dead in the water.
And those pushing this BS know it.
They've dodged 2nd amendment work consistently.
I'm not arguing with you, don't believe we can rely on the same system screwing us.
R
SCOTUS is "dead in the water?" How so? I'd say it's stronger than it's been in a long time... and getting stronger (as are the lower courts), thanks to Trump.
I don't have complete faith in the "system," either. But, that doesn't mean I will abandon my knowledge (not to mention my oath to support and defend) the Constitution. It doesn't mean I just throw my hands up and surrender.
There comes a point when we say "we will not comply" and ACT accordingly. That's already happened in many states. To wit... the magazine bans and the bump stock bans. How many have been turned in? ZERO. Freakin' ZERO. Similarly, the "assault weapon" registration laws in NY and CT have been effectively ignored and gone unenforced.
It's called incrementalism. They know that most of us existing right now do not and will not give a fuck about obeying any new anti-gun laws. We are not their targets. Our future generations are. Currently a new generation of potential sportsmen and shooters are growing up or being born and they will think that these drastic laws are completely normal, because they had never experienced a time when things have been more lax. What is new and alien to us will be completely familiar to them. The statists are playing the patience game.
What's scarier than the clowns running the show are the entitled pieces of shit that keep voting for them.
They will get this and all the other things they can dream up. The state(s?) has/have been gerrymandered up so thoroughly that voices outside the big city are totally disenfranchised; by the law being used to destroy the law.
I did the only thing I could still do about it.
I escaped to AZ.
I estimate the move cost us at least $60,000 in losses and expenses. In truth, we took the bath. Then the relatives arrived.
It was still a bargain.
New York, OTOH, will get to wallow in the joys of Liberal Excess. Good riddance.
FUAC!
Greg
I did the only thing I could still do about it.
I escaped to AZ.
I estimate the move cost us at least $60,000 in losses and expenses. In truth, we took the bath. Then the relatives arrived.
It was still a bargain.
New York, OTOH, will get to wallow in the joys of Liberal Excess. Good riddance.
FUAC!
Greg
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UPDATE: Received reply from the NYSRPA today.
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Thanks for your concern. We are aware of this proposed legislation it was actually introduced last session. Currently there are 130+ anti gun bills that are active and we follow all of their statuses. When it becomes evident a bill is starting to move we let our members know. Unfortunately because of the current political demographics(all 3 houses controlled by Democrats) there is little chance to stop legislation.
Tom King
Cogito ergo armatum sum
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Wait. Did the citizens of Virginia also say "nah, can't do anything about it", and gave up?
I am going to respond back to this with the prospect of starting a true to earnest 2nd Amendment Sanctuary movement in the state. If staffed with the right people who can deliver the same unity and resolve as Virginia Patriots have shown in the last few months, the NYSRPA can become our own version of the VCDL. Going to try to stoke some movement into the local gun boards too. Northeast Shooters Forum will be my first stop.
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Thanks for your concern. We are aware of this proposed legislation it was actually introduced last session. Currently there are 130+ anti gun bills that are active and we follow all of their statuses. When it becomes evident a bill is starting to move we let our members know. Unfortunately because of the current political demographics(all 3 houses controlled by Democrats) there is little chance to stop legislation.
Tom King
Cogito ergo armatum sum
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Wait. Did the citizens of Virginia also say "nah, can't do anything about it", and gave up?
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UPDATE: My response to Tom King @ NYSRPA this morning:
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Good morning Tom King,
Thanks very much for your reply. I am glad that you and the NYSRPA is
keeping tabs on these critical developments. I understand that this is a hard battle and a constant strain on the nerves of law abiding gun
owners everywhere and it seems like it will only increase as long as our enemies and the enemies of this country's very foundation believe that we are weak and not unified to show singular support and solidarity to stop them.
As you may know, the aggressive passage of Virginia's 'Intolerable
Acts' under the rabidly anti-gun governor Ralph Northam in the previous year had resulted in the largest call to action and response
by Patriots and gun owners all across the state and the country, perhaps the largest ever seen since the original Revolutionary War in 1775. Over a period of just 3 months, over 98% of Virginia's counties and independent cities passed Sanctuary laws designed to protect gun rights and uphold the Constitution to it's fullest and several
counties also ratified Militia Acts enabling them to deputize their armed citizenry body over any attempted aggression from hostile
forces. This past January has also seen the largest rally of gun owners in Richmond to show the enemies of the Constitution that they will not stand for any infringements and erosions of their rights any longer.
Now, I am a lifelong New Yorker and I am aware that this state has a
large population of gun owners and sportsmen, all of them proud of their traditions and heritage of keeping their ways of life alive. However, through my interactions with them, I realized that some of them still believe the false notions that the antigunners' attempts to ban so called "assault weapons" are for public safety and crime reduction and that their hunting rifles and traditional defensive pistols will never come under attack. However, we have seen from Virginia, as well as our own state, that the antis absolutely loathe any prospect of an armed citizenry and they will do their best to completely eradicate legal gun ownership. Their incremental efforts to make life as hard as possible for all gun owners have greatly ramped up in the past year and they are now showing no qualms about voicing their true intentions.
What we are going to have to need in the upcoming months will be the
same level of solid and unified response that we have seen from our
fellow Patriots in Virginia if we are to regain our footing and stop this incremental attack on our rights as well as the demonization of our culture by the antis and their allies in the mainstream media. If we can unify all of our members and create the infrastructure that had been seen in Virginia, it will be something that I will readily donate large portions of my own financial resources and efforts into. The antigunners have propelled this country into a virtual cold civil war with their aggression and vehemently anti-American rhetoric, and our efforts to preserve this country's very heritage as well as the safety of all it's citizens must begin now. I am looking forward to hearing back from you soon and I am willing to devote all of my effort into
creating the same foundation for our freedoms that our fellows in Virginia have shown the world what they are capable of.
Regards,
Raymond
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And I am absolutely serious about it too...
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Good morning Tom King,
Thanks very much for your reply. I am glad that you and the NYSRPA is
keeping tabs on these critical developments. I understand that this is a hard battle and a constant strain on the nerves of law abiding gun
owners everywhere and it seems like it will only increase as long as our enemies and the enemies of this country's very foundation believe that we are weak and not unified to show singular support and solidarity to stop them.
As you may know, the aggressive passage of Virginia's 'Intolerable
Acts' under the rabidly anti-gun governor Ralph Northam in the previous year had resulted in the largest call to action and response
by Patriots and gun owners all across the state and the country, perhaps the largest ever seen since the original Revolutionary War in 1775. Over a period of just 3 months, over 98% of Virginia's counties and independent cities passed Sanctuary laws designed to protect gun rights and uphold the Constitution to it's fullest and several
counties also ratified Militia Acts enabling them to deputize their armed citizenry body over any attempted aggression from hostile
forces. This past January has also seen the largest rally of gun owners in Richmond to show the enemies of the Constitution that they will not stand for any infringements and erosions of their rights any longer.
Now, I am a lifelong New Yorker and I am aware that this state has a
large population of gun owners and sportsmen, all of them proud of their traditions and heritage of keeping their ways of life alive. However, through my interactions with them, I realized that some of them still believe the false notions that the antigunners' attempts to ban so called "assault weapons" are for public safety and crime reduction and that their hunting rifles and traditional defensive pistols will never come under attack. However, we have seen from Virginia, as well as our own state, that the antis absolutely loathe any prospect of an armed citizenry and they will do their best to completely eradicate legal gun ownership. Their incremental efforts to make life as hard as possible for all gun owners have greatly ramped up in the past year and they are now showing no qualms about voicing their true intentions.
What we are going to have to need in the upcoming months will be the
same level of solid and unified response that we have seen from our
fellow Patriots in Virginia if we are to regain our footing and stop this incremental attack on our rights as well as the demonization of our culture by the antis and their allies in the mainstream media. If we can unify all of our members and create the infrastructure that had been seen in Virginia, it will be something that I will readily donate large portions of my own financial resources and efforts into. The antigunners have propelled this country into a virtual cold civil war with their aggression and vehemently anti-American rhetoric, and our efforts to preserve this country's very heritage as well as the safety of all it's citizens must begin now. I am looking forward to hearing back from you soon and I am willing to devote all of my effort into
creating the same foundation for our freedoms that our fellows in Virginia have shown the world what they are capable of.
Regards,
Raymond
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And I am absolutely serious about it too...
Not exactly about gun control, but that motherfucker's shit has been stinking up all the radio stations around here. Listening to Power 105.1 FM's morning show about the latest news in the hip hop world yesterday and a couple of commercials aired about how that POS supposedly "helped grow minority owned businesses" or some shit like that.
Nothing short of complete disregard and disobedience for any new attacks on the 2nd Amendment in the state of NY should not and will not be tolerated on my end. If there are others with me than stand up and make yourself known. This call to action has to be public and massive in numbers while resonating throughout the entire state government, media and law enforcement agencies.
This is not to be just a rally, but a direct and uncompromising message of zero compliance broadcast over the news outlets so they fully understand the consequences of passing any legislation.
Form an alliance with as much of the law enforcement community as possible. Most officers get it. They understand that the same laws will affect them when they turn their badges in. We need to be on the same side of the fence here and support one another, donate to their associations and ask for their support in preserving our 2nd Amendment rights.
Lets get this done. Anyone interested in organizing a 2nd Amendment preservation group?
This is not to be just a rally, but a direct and uncompromising message of zero compliance broadcast over the news outlets so they fully understand the consequences of passing any legislation.
Form an alliance with as much of the law enforcement community as possible. Most officers get it. They understand that the same laws will affect them when they turn their badges in. We need to be on the same side of the fence here and support one another, donate to their associations and ask for their support in preserving our 2nd Amendment rights.
Lets get this done. Anyone interested in organizing a 2nd Amendment preservation group?
Yeah just like they did for the SafeAct right?
Hate to tell you this but AZ is the new mass transplant for NY's.. These people bring their lifestyle, shit manners, politics and corruption with them. If you dont think so look what they are doing to Florida already.
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