Range Report PVA 210 Cayuga mono hunting bullet
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I think they were just introduced a couple of weeks ago, so I would not expect too many first hand reports of how they preform on game.
We've shot the Seneca 6mm and they were damn accurate. The cayuga has taken down some elk already. @coldboremiracle shot them at distance. He could chime in.
Right on
Did you shoot far enough to get an idea if the bc was good with the 6mm's?
The game performance is proven with the 122gr 6.5mm and a Creedmoor at 500+ yards.
The 210 is a new bullet that the BC is based on estimates from other designs that I've characterized with a lot of work. Unfortunatley with the WuFlu shutting down every range I belong to I have only been able to shoot them at 185 yards at my parents' house. I am under the belief that the BC listed online is actually a little under estimated. The bullet has the same bands, tail and bearing surface as the venerable 198 match bullet that is so accurate and slippery.
I have sent some of the 210's and the 7mm offerings out to a guy in Texas to shoot them over an Ohler 88 to 1000yd for us but in the mean time I'm offering estimated values for that bullet.
In terms of killing elk with it I am confident that the bullet will perform because its little sister absolutely stomps them. And we know it flies very well, the design is more conservative than the 198 (which is well proven) so that hunting rifles being used in super cold, low altitudes won't have any issues. The lighter match bullet has a known BC about 100 points higher and the initial reports from customers who started shooting them is that they're landing a bit high at long distance. One customer reported that it's the most repeatable hunting bullet he has ever tried in his life. His 300WSM shot a 3rd sub 5" group at 1420 yards. I'm still trying to get a picture of that one though, I don't know how much I believe it til I see the photo.
I would rather under report an estimate until we have harder numbers from 1000+ than to do what the rest of the bullet industry does and inflate the BC.
Right on thanks for elaborating.
I have a question about expansion, what's the minimum velocity for reliable expansion and how does the bullet behave terminally?
I've heard that it tumbles vs expands is that accurate?
I have a question about expansion, what's the minimum velocity for reliable expansion and how does the bullet behave terminally?
I've heard that it tumbles vs expands is that accurate?
All bullets, if they have the structural integrity to hold together (vs fragmenting) will tumble. It's a certainty determined by the stability change from moving through air to a far more dense medium. The stability equations guarantee this behavior. Usually what people say "it didn't expand and just penciled through" means that it took a straight path and passed through but it tumbled, I guarantee it. They just don't have the post mortem capability in animal tissue that something like clear gel easily affords anyone with a working eyeball. These expand but do not turn into gigantic flowers like a varmint bullet or lighter constructed bullet like a jacketed one would do. They mushroom up into a ball on the nose, tend to bend the nose into a candycane shape and then tumble aggressively.
They do not behave like a non-bonded jacketed bullet where they fragment out into a mass of tiny little fragments to do tissue damage. If you shoot an animal through the lungs on these it's going to be similar to what happens with any tough hunting bullet, it's going to "pencil" through (while tumbling) and do minimal damage. You want to hit bone or you want to put this through the heart, the goal being do catastrophic damage. Ribs make great spall if you hit them going in, as does a shoulder blade.
Oh good call! I wasnt able to confirm it and a 6he round trip wasnt on my list if I didnt know I could get it
I'm a life member out there, it's still a 2.5hr drive for me from Downingtown but it's the closest 1000yd place I can use and they will let me shoot full auto out there too.
Where are you in the LV? I grew up in Easton.
I am in the process of trying out 200-210gr bullets for my new 300wsm Lr hunting rifle but it is a short action using AICS wsm mags with a max coal of around 2.970. How jump sensitive are they and will these be too long for me?
edit: should’ve checked the website first, probably wont work due to 9 twist and the optimal freebore of .12-.18
edit: should’ve checked the website first, probably wont work due to 9 twist and the optimal freebore of .12-.18
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I was til 8th grade, went to a different high school. Ended up at Lehigh for school though.
