Q's on a accurized R700?

[besheff.308]

Hi everybody,

I plan on buying a rifle later this week that has the following specs.

.243 caliber

ABS carbon fiber 27" barrel (I know this is crap but I will replace ASAP)

McMillan A5 stock

Accurized Remington 700 pillar bedded

I am unsure as to the more refined details in the rifle but my main question was this. The owner claims the action was completely trued. Is there anyway to check this? As in what would I look for on the bolt, inside the action? Or do I look and see if the action was engraved and go Google FTW?

Since I do not have the dies with me to load up some ammo, nor do I have match grade factory ammo to shoot, is there any possible way to know if the rifle was completely accurized or half done?

 

[Hateca]

Re: Q's on a accurized R700?

It going to be hard to tell anything unless or until the rifle is taken apart and even then you are not going to know if it was done correctly until another builder chucks it up in a lathe.

This is why some builders will charge you again to true or check the action if they weren’t the ones that did the work in the first place.

It takes longer to set up the lathe and indicated the receiver then it does to make the cuts. Time is money.

 

[nicholst55]

Re: Q's on a accurized R700?

That's a tough one; unless the current owner has the build sheet for the gun, there's not much way to tell.

Since you're planning to rebarrel immediately, your smith can check if the action was trued at that time. Trouble is, if it <span style="font-style: italic">wasn't trued</span>, you already own it.

 

[besheff.308]

Re: Q's on a accurized R700?

Well, before I reply to the post, assuming your name really means Hate Kalifornia i completly second that!

Second, thats to bad that I cannot tell if it has been accurized because I HATE to spend darn near 2000 bucks on a rifle I am not 100% sure off...

 

[Hateca]

Re: Q's on a accurized R700?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: connor55</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Well, before I reply to the post, assuming your name really means Hate Kalifornia i completly second that!

Second, thats to bad that I cannot tell if it has been accurized because I HATE to spend darn near 2000 bucks on a rifle I am not 100% sure off... </div></div>

What do you think?

 

[THUNDERBOLT68]

Re: Q's on a accurized R700?

Why are you going to pull abs Barrel?

 

[besheff.308]

Re: Q's on a accurized R700?

I am unsure of the question. If you are refering to to if I think the action is completly trued or not I think that it is, only based on the following:

It shot .75 MOA at 100 leaning off a car window, shooting in the wind, standing, crappy military surplus amunition AND a loose scope (you could literally hear it moving and sliding around if you shook it hard enough). However, I would like to be sure.


On the other hand, if you are talking about succky kalifornia, I do agree it sucks. Bad.

 

[savage110]

Re: Q's on a accurized R700?

Abs carbon barrel means it was wrapped in carbon fiber, not that its made out of carbon fiber. that is a very expensive option, I dont know why you would take it off and rebarrel.

 

[THUNDERBOLT68]

Re: Q's on a accurized R700?

That is what I am saying also, why are you wanting to pull the abs barrel off. The barrel is worth more than the action.

 

[Hateca]

Re: Q's on a accurized R700?

If .243 barrel is currently twisted for heavy bullets then I would leave it alone and load up some 115 and go to town until she burns up. If the thing is twisted for light bullets then this may not be what you want.

That being said if you are looking at re-barreling it you might be wasting money. Your cash may be better severed at starting from a receiver and building what you want then spending $2000 on a custom to turn around and spend another $600 or $700 for a new barrel and work.

 

[besheff.308]

Re: Q's on a accurized R700?

Well the ABS I reeeeally doubt that it is the correct twist, if it is I will use it, but I doubt it. As for the amount of money used, I am aware the barrel costs more than the action and I will deal with such later. Right now my concern is if the action is trued correctly. For if I consider the cost of a R700 action, true it, the barrel, the stock, the 20 MOA base, it still adds up to waaaaaaay more then the 1750 I can get the rifle for.

 

[besheff.308]

Re: Q's on a accurized R700?

One other such thing I must consider is this. If I choose not to get this rifle, my only other option would be to save for a few more months and order a custom GAP in a templar action, meaning after the wait and whatnot I will get the rifle the summer I graduate (High-school). Then college+job starts and I will have NO time at all to shoot forcing me to either get it in a few months and not shoot it often, or order it a year before I leave college. So, pretty much its this or nothing.

 

[Hateca]

Re: Q's on a accurized R700?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: connor55</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Well the ABS I reeeeally doubt that it is the correct twist, if it is I will use it, but I doubt it. As for the amount of money used, I am aware the barrel costs more than the action and I will deal with such later. Right now my concern is if the action is trued correctly. For if I consider the cost of a R700 action, true it, the barrel, the stock, the 20 MOA base, it still adds up to waaaaaaay more then the 1750 I can get the rifle for. </div></div>

True but if you need to have the action checked and or re-trued $125 +. New barrel average $300. Barrel install $200 +. Metal re-finish if wanted $150 +. That $1750 is now $2525 +. And if the rifle is already bedded for that action and barrel that may need to be done over especially if you need that action re-trued.

You could reclaim some cash if you can sell the .243 barrel but then maybe not. Don't spend the cash until you do a little more looking on just what it might cost you and how much time you will need to wait to get it all done. It just might be more then you think.

Most won’t normally go into a “custom” rifle to start taking it apart to change things. One buys a factory rifle if that’s ones intention.

 

[Jon Lester]

Re: Q's on a accurized R700?

What kind of mill surplus 243 ammo did ya shoot in it?

 

[jasonk]

Re: Q's on a accurized R700?

+1 Randy, it never pays to buy a custom and start tearing it apart. Buy a custom if it fits your wants, if it doesn't then get something built from scratch.

There are cheaper and faster ways than the full GAP build you're talking about.

Hell, get the barreled action from them for $1500, drop it into a McMillan from the classifieds here for $500-650 w/ std. bdl metal and go from there. It'll be a better rifle in the long run.

Or....PM Randy and see what his schedule looks like, maybe he can throw something together for you quicker, cheaper and better than the one you're looking to buy.

 

[jasonk]

Re: Q's on a accurized R700?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Jon Lester</div><div class="ubbcode-body">What kind of mill surplus 243 ammo did ya shoot in it?</div></div>

You're army surplus store doesn't have crates of the old 243 mil spec stuff

 

[besheff.308]

Re: Q's on a accurized R700?

Understood, and I have thought about that. However once it comes down to it, after examining the action, the bolt face is trued, the bolt trued, and the lugs appear trued, so I can safely assume the rest is trued. I just want to be sure. As for rebarreling, the ABS (assuming it is not in the twist I want) will be used as a burn/learners barrel. Later (as in a year or so) I will rebarrel it with a krieger from a reputable smith. so now I am up to 2300ish after a year. Still less than anything else. However, once it comes down to it, when I go to look at the rifle and he asks if I want it, some part of me will say no, wait a while longer and get a GAP Templar action.

 

[THUNDERBOLT68]

Re: Q's on a accurized R700?

Take a cleaning rod and check the twist. No need to buy that gun if you are not going to shoot it and leave alone for awile. There are many differant ideas of trued. Have you looked on here for sale guns. I think there are quite a few great deals on guns under 2000.00

 

[besheff.308]

Re: Q's on a accurized R700?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jasonk</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Jon Lester</div><div class="ubbcode-body">What kind of mill surplus 243 ammo did ya shoot in it?</div></div>

You're army surplus store doesn't have crates of the old 243 mil spec stuff

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When I say Mil Surplus to me I mean FMJ bullets that look like they were stored in a dudes basement for a few years and his wife sold em during spring cleaning. I did not actually mean it was military ammo, but is the quality ammo usually associated with Mil surplus.

My fault for not elaborating.