Fieldcraft question for REAL snipers
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I could tell you but then I would have to kill you.
Oh easy answer to that question. Can't say publically, but it has three characters and starts with an "M".
Police sniper here and I use MOA. We don't range with reticles so it doesn't really matter.
I did learn the MIL system before MOA though and to be honest I don't prefer one over the other.
I did learn the MIL system before MOA though and to be honest I don't prefer one over the other.
When I went through sniper school in 08 we were trained in both because our scopes had mil reticles with moa turrets... SMH good job big army
With that said I can use both but prefer mil
With that said I can use both but prefer mil
Huge difference between a line sniper and an "operator" not even in the same league in regards to training and gear/optempo
I am not a gunny that's a gayer than aides Marine rank... The site puts that on there and haven't figured out how to change it
Yeah, the hmfic being a crayon eater and all.
Short answer. Both and depends. Explainantion:
mil/mil is probably most common between the Army and USMC in general. These days.
As was said. Outside of the line, tier 1 and some or most tier 2 is a different story.
I trained Mil as a B4 continued that through SOTIC. With the feds now so I’m not using range estimation as often as I did with the Army. As long as your reticle and your turrets match (I.e. Mil-Mil or MOA-MOA) it really wont matter. It’s personal preference. I can get behind a friends rifle with MOA-MOA and have no problems adjusting.
LE and our team uses MOA. Went through school about 10 years ago and it seemed to be the standard practice then. Since then, I've done quite a bit of traveling and training with other states and agencies. Honestly it's a tossup.
I've tried to talk myself into buying and learning a mil/mil scope for personal use, just to see the difference up close, but I chicken out every time because I dont want to devote shooting time to a practice that I can't use professionally.
I've tried to talk myself into buying and learning a mil/mil scope for personal use, just to see the difference up close, but I chicken out every time because I dont want to devote shooting time to a practice that I can't use professionally.
METT-T is worth considering when it comes to changes like that. I’m not restricted in my agency so I’ve just stuck with what has been my unit of measurement since 1999. If I were in more of an HRT role then it would be very important that all shooter and equipment were coordinated and timed. If I’m trying to synchronize shots with other shooters from different vantage points in order to rescue civilians....? Well, let’s just say everyone’s day went to shit. I have always preferred to run and gun over static interdiction.
You need to post a picture of you in your ghille suit in order for us to answer.
All of it, at the same time with the same scope, cuz if you can’t combine MILS, MOA, BDC, and IPHY’s all into 1 scope and put 1st round hits on a sprinting Hajji at 1k without a calculator, rangefinder, decent glass and no magnification, with a round that has the ballistics of an indirect fire weapon system, then you’re not “Operator as Fuck”.........
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^^^ sounds about right.
Real answer: using a fixed carry handle 1st production run bushmaster topped with a simmonds 22 mag 3-9x32, unmarked turrets and a duplex reticle thats split
Real answer: using a fixed carry handle 1st production run bushmaster topped with a simmonds 22 mag 3-9x32, unmarked turrets and a duplex reticle thats split
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I don't think the last guy that did that ever came back:
https://www.snipershide.com/shootin...ar-looking-for-opinions.6930664/#post-7576874
Oh he’s here. He was last seen 6 min ago. He’s lurking.......... ??
Hi,
Someone needs to inform DevGru that unless they switch from those Mil reticle and MOA turrets that they fail in Operators Operating Operationally.
Sincerely,
Theis
Someone needs to inform DevGru that unless they switch from those Mil reticle and MOA turrets that they fail in Operators Operating Operationally.
Sincerely,
Theis
Bless him. Should've listened to the multicam briefs suggestion. You spotted him....
So I googled it, and “milsim” is a thing. It’s an air soft thing, but there’s whole “milsim galleries” of OAF and “snipers”. The fat ones are the funniest!
Hi,
LOLOL the money those milsim peeps spend on useless shit is more staggering than their photo galleries...
Milsim shooting complex at Yas Mall in Abu Dhabi.
Sincerely,
Theis
LOLOL the money those milsim peeps spend on useless shit is more staggering than their photo galleries...
Milsim shooting complex at Yas Mall in Abu Dhabi.
Sincerely,
Theis
B4 in 2007. MOA, with mil reticle. Now, I'm mil-mil, though no longer an active sniper (I'm now the Uncle Rico of snipers). "Back in '08, I could sling that 7.62 over those mountains!"
A lot of issue scopes are/were Leupold Mk4's and they have a mil reticle and MOA turrets. It adds and extra step in the math.
I taught SDM's using ACOGs and we taught 'em MOA. Mostly because the ACOG has MOA adj.
MOA and mil are the same thing, from a mathematical perspective, they're just different ways of taking angular measurement.
This is turret/adj. dependent, but in general MOA is more accurate than mil because more precise adj. can be achieved. For instance, a 1/4 MOA is a smaller adj. than a 1/4 mil. Maybe why Leupold did what they did with the Mk4, I don't know.
But yeah, it's a persona preference and I prefer having the optic one way or the other, most are mil/mil now but I do have a couple Mk4's. They're nice scopes for the price (used) but I'd rather have a better quality mil/mil FFP. That's my preference.
I taught SDM's using ACOGs and we taught 'em MOA. Mostly because the ACOG has MOA adj.
MOA and mil are the same thing, from a mathematical perspective, they're just different ways of taking angular measurement.
This is turret/adj. dependent, but in general MOA is more accurate than mil because more precise adj. can be achieved. For instance, a 1/4 MOA is a smaller adj. than a 1/4 mil. Maybe why Leupold did what they did with the Mk4, I don't know.
But yeah, it's a persona preference and I prefer having the optic one way or the other, most are mil/mil now but I do have a couple Mk4's. They're nice scopes for the price (used) but I'd rather have a better quality mil/mil FFP. That's my preference.
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