questions for the snipers on here

[donniedee]

im looking into getting inot long range shooting like 500 800 1000 yards and have a place to set up targets for this as of now i have a awesome u.s. marked remington 40xb heavy barrel with a target scope and harris bi pod on it.

questions are: is the 22lr worth keeping for practice with steady hold, trigger control and practice in general say at 50 and 100 yards trying to keep tightest group as poss?

or would it be better to sell it and get a rem 700 police heavy 26in and start investiong in the build?

im thinking i could practice with the 22 for alooong time being alot cheaper in ammo thoughts????


also last question whtas a good size target say a man size that would be "scale" for 1000 yrds at 50yrds and at 100yrds? thanks guys awaiting input...

 

[TravisM1]

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I'm definitely not a sniper, but yeah. A nice .22, like a 40X with a good scope, isn't any less of a marksman's tool than a 700 Police or a 10FP.

Especially considering that the 40/721/700 utilize pretty much the same manual of arms, use a lot of the same accessories (stocks, triggers, bases, etc, if memory serves) and provide a similar "feel" to one another (read around on here, some guys put a ton of money into making a .22 match their main rifle for use as a trainer), I'd keep it. It'd be like shooting the same gun all the time.

Read up on this:
<span style="font-weight: bold">Tactical Precision Rimfire Match</span>
Brass tacks, guys shooting .22s at ranges out to 200 yards, because it provides similar exterior ballistics within that range, to a .308 out to 600 yards or so.

 

[donniedee]

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thanks alot travis...good article

 

[jcwarrior87]

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Keep the 22lr if you are just getting in to precision shooting there is a lot of things that need to be practiced to the point of habit. Trigger control, breathing, getting behind the rifle right, wind reading, distance reading, ect. It comes down to how much you want to spend to do that. 15-20 buck for a brick of 500rds beats 15 and up for 20rds. There is a reason so many of us have 22s for just that reason. It s really cheap to shoot a lot with a 22.

You can be practicing all of those things while you save up for a nice centerfire rifle, too.


O and just a friendly word, this place might be called "sniper's hide" but most of us are just guys/gals that like to precision shoot and are not snipers(one who shoots at humans), and some people here might give you some crap for wanting to know what the snipers use. Enjoy the forum, there is a TON of information here to be had.

 

[donniedee]

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good points "jc" thanks

 

[Mike_in_FL]

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I agree with what everyone else has told you. Nothing teaches you follow through like a .22. You can also look at it like this especially if you don't reload yet. For $20 you can get around 20 rounds of .308 or a box of 50 of Eley. More bang for your buck as you come along.

If you can shoot these distances from position, all the better. And if you can shoot from position, you can save a lot of money by shooting a harder target at 25 yd. and buying cheaper ammo. I believe you'd want something like a 10 meter air rifle target.

 

[TOP PREDATOR]

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i've never hunted snipe, but i'll toss in 2 cents...refer to the answer given on the scope question you have in the optics section. http://www.snipershide.com/forum/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=3038431#Post3038431

a .22 and ammos aren't what they used to be. most learn a whole lot from their trainers. just getting used to doing math on the fly is worth keeping the .22, figuring out wind is a plus. i use my .22s as a stand alone platform anymore, however i do keep in mind a simulation to my .308. when i'm shootng 200 yards with tthe .22, the amount of drop is equal to 510 yards using my .308 (the drop on your .308 may vary) the way i look at it is if i'm able to pull off a 5" group, it's like shooting MOA with my .308 at 500 yards. plus it's entertaining as hell to to see the look on folks faces when you pull those type of groups off at 200 yards).

I've done the same simulation with windage, but it doesn't equal the same amount of the drop simulation distances. drop is more important to me, so that's the type of simulation i run with, then just refer to the data book for both .22 and .308 for windage adjustments.

ammo - even with lapua mida ammo $20.00+ ish a box, you still get 50 rounds of spot on ammo. when you find the right combination of ammo and rifle, you'll see that it's possible to shoot MOA at 100 yards. MOA at 100 is still MOA whether it's a .22 hole or a .30 hole.

"man size targets" try using IDPA targets,

they seem to work well. even trace yourself or someone else on a piece of cardboard, use it as a template, then trace that figure on a roll of shelf or wrapping paper. we just put up a "head target" in the rimfire competition section, check it out. it ranges well.

 

[Cserv]

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+1 on all the keep the. 22 posts. I am also not a "sniper", but I do like to shoot alot, and a 22 lets you do that on the cheap. Have fun and good luck.
Eric

 

[shooterman_zero17]

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I wish I had waited and got my .308 way later. Would've probably saved me alot of money. I love my .22s. Definitely the way to go. Especially since you already have one.

Another +1 on the .22 posts above.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: fngmike</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I agree with what everyone else has told you. Nothing teaches you follow through like a .22.....For $20 you can get around 20 rounds of .308 or a box of 50 of Eley. More bang for your buck as you come along. </div></div>

Especially what good sir Mike says here. I'm a big proponent and believer of cost effective bang for buck

 

[Radar360]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: donniedee</div><div class="ubbcode-body">questions are: is the 22lr worth keeping for practice with steady hold, trigger control and practice in general say at 50 and 100 yards trying to keep tightest group as poss?
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+1 for yes, its worth it. More practice time, if done right, leads to overall better marksmanship.

Edit: Not a sniper, just an avg guy who enjoys target shooting.

 

[kraigWY]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">also last question whtas a good size target say a man size that would be "scale" for 1000 yrds at 50yrds and at 100yrds? thanks guys awaiting input...</div></div>

600 yard E-target reduced for 100 yards

http://photos.imageevent.com/kraigwy/pentest/E-Type%20Target%20600%20yard%20reduced%20to%20100.pdf

100 yard hostage target

http://photos.imageevent.com/kraigwy/pentest/100%20Yard%20Hostage%20Target_1_.pdf

Many people fail to understand the value of small bore shooting to sharpen their marksmanship fundamentals. Hard to beat the ISU 50 ft target.

 

[donniedee]

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perfect thanks for the targets...

 

[Shortdraw]

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Hell with that, sell me the 22 for $400 and build up a centerfire. We'll both be better off in the long run.

 

[donniedee]

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hahahhahahahahahhahahahahahaha.... no

 

[bunsen27]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: donniedee</div><div class="ubbcode-body">also last question whtas a good size target say a man size that would be "scale" for 1000 yrds at 50yrds and at 100yrds? thanks guys awaiting input... </div></div>

I don't know if this is to "scale" for 1k, but this is my personal favorite 100yd target

http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f230/bunsenbeaker27/25yardbarricadetarget.jpg

 

[armorpl8chikn]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Bunsen</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: donniedee</div><div class="ubbcode-body">also last question whtas a good size target say a man size that would be "scale" for 1000 yrds at 50yrds and at 100yrds? thanks guys awaiting input... </div></div>

I don't know if this is to "scale" for 1k, but this is my personal favorite 100yd target

http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f230/bunsenbeaker27/25yardbarricadetarget.jpg </div></div>

I think I see whay you like TSC so much now Tom

 

[bunsen27]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: armorpl8chikn</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Bunsen</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: donniedee</div><div class="ubbcode-body">also last question whtas a good size target say a man size that would be "scale" for 1000 yrds at 50yrds and at 100yrds? thanks guys awaiting input... </div></div>

I don't know if this is to "scale" for 1k, but this is my personal favorite 100yd target

http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f230/bunsenbeaker27/25yardbarricadetarget.jpg </div></div>

I think I see whay you like TSC so much now Tom

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TSC was the inspiration for that target. I had to get my fix during the off weeks/months and my local range doesn't allow steel.

 

[donniedee]

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Ok from hearing from you guys the 40x stays now for a scope for it??? Say in 400-500 range mildot. SUGGESTIONS? Thanks to all who gave advice

 

[RicosRevenge]

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Super Sniper from SWFA. I run a 16X on mine so I can see the holes at 100. A 10X would be preferable, but I gots what I gots... good optic for a trainer and inexpensive. You're in for around $350 after tax (TX) and shipping.

 

[Dylan in AZ]

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I agree with RR. I run an SWFA SS10x and can see my shots at 100 yards still. I think I would prefer either the 16x or even the 20x on my 22lr though. It's really hard to go wrong with an SWFA SS scope.

 

[armorpl8chikn]

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I have heard a lot of good things about the SS scopes and tinkered with the idea of getting one some months back. If these guys say they are the shit I would listen.
I actually run a Leupold MK4 16x on my trainer and for the game I play it has no equal. I have seen a couple guys pull a Nightforce off their rifle and replace it with the Leupold 16x. That particular scope has been in the winner circle at Conover numerous times in the last couple years. It is outside your budget but for future reference you may want to keep it in mind.

 

[armorpl8chikn]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> TSC was the inspiration for that target. I had to get my fix during the off weeks/months and my local range doesn't allow steel.
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So we can count on you being ready to take the money on the first match of the year

 

[sscoyote]

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Another nice thing i've just recently learned about having a 22 around is when others wanna' learn to shoot long-range. If 10 of your buddies/family wanna' learn to shoot long-range with your guns--give 'em the 22. That way it's cheaper for ya'. My wife loves to shoot my Ruger Charger at LR (this way i also get more range passes from her too).

 

[donniedee]

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good point steve

 

[bunsen27]

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As for a scope in the $400-500 range I too have heard good things about the SWFA SS. I do however own numerous Vortex optics including three of these:

Vortex Viper 6.5-20x50

They are good quality and have a no BS lifetime warranty. Not a bad "starter" scope in your price range that will serve you well for many years. I would not recommend looking any lower in the Vortex line. The Crossfire and Diamondback series are ok, but strictly are what they are; a budget line of scopes.



<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: armorpl8chikn</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> TSC was the inspiration for that target. I had to get my fix during the off weeks/months and my local range doesn't allow steel.
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So we can count on you being ready to take the money on the first match of the year

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I always appreciate charitable donations, and stranger things have happened....However, I thought you and your new Annie would be taking home the cash again this time.