I'm seeing some of the Republican pol's coming out in favor of raising age to purchase AR15 age to 21 as well as some folks at a gun show in TX including the guy who has run the show for many years. What say you?
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Raising AR15 Purchase Age To 21
- Thread starter samnev
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Better change the voting age to 21 to match. Military service too. And…
I don't think we should take a step backwards on any of our rights ever, no exceptions.
You don’t ever punish the 99.999+% of citizens who are law abiding for the acts of a few deranged (or “programmed”) individuals. Especially if you aren’t removing some pre-existing infringements already on the books.
Also, this belongs in the Bear Pit.
@MarinePMI or @Rob01 can move it for you.
Also, this belongs in the Bear Pit.
@MarinePMI or @Rob01 can move it for you.
Either you are an adult at 18 or you are not.
IF they want to decide that you are not an adult until age 21 - then they'd better apply that logic across the board.
But you know damned well that they will not.
IF they want to decide that you are not an adult until age 21 - then they'd better apply that logic across the board.
But you know damned well that they will not.
I think it needs to go to 16. Cars kill more people each year than guns. If you can purchase and operate a deadly vehicle at 16 you should be able to buy a gun.
Either that or it all needs to go to 21. Driving,drinking,smoking,guns, military service,voting.
Personally I don't think you should be able to vote unless you own property. But now I'm getting off topic.
Either that or it all needs to go to 21. Driving,drinking,smoking,guns, military service,voting.
Personally I don't think you should be able to vote unless you own property. But now I'm getting off topic.
Yeah if we are benchmarking to alcohol, let’s reduce alcohol to 18.
OR
Quit being inconsistent (looking at you trans community) and eliminate age requirements for military, guns, driving, alcohol, etc. altogether. If you pay taxes and have valid ID you get to vote
OR
Quit being inconsistent (looking at you trans community) and eliminate age requirements for military, guns, driving, alcohol, etc. altogether. If you pay taxes and have valid ID you get to vote
I’m obviously against it for a few reasons.
1) I’m against any form of gun control. If we agree to anything now it just moves the ball partially down the field to their goal of a total gun ban. We are negotiating with a dishonest counter party who have no interest in solving a problem, only to burn the US down and start over in a socialist system. Socialist care as much about the victims of school shootings as Stalin cared about farmers.
2) I believe in the constitution even if I disagree with outcomes at time. There have and will be events and actions that are constitutionally protected that I despise, but I don’t pick and choose. The constitution protects actions I agree and disagree with, it’s the point of freedom, and it is and will always be one of the two greatest documents created by any government, with the Declaration of Independence being the other, the magna carta a distant third.
3)If your old enough to die in a God forsaken desert in a US military uniform you can buy anything you damn well want.
1) I’m against any form of gun control. If we agree to anything now it just moves the ball partially down the field to their goal of a total gun ban. We are negotiating with a dishonest counter party who have no interest in solving a problem, only to burn the US down and start over in a socialist system. Socialist care as much about the victims of school shootings as Stalin cared about farmers.
2) I believe in the constitution even if I disagree with outcomes at time. There have and will be events and actions that are constitutionally protected that I despise, but I don’t pick and choose. The constitution protects actions I agree and disagree with, it’s the point of freedom, and it is and will always be one of the two greatest documents created by any government, with the Declaration of Independence being the other, the magna carta a distant third.
3)If your old enough to die in a God forsaken desert in a US military uniform you can buy anything you damn well want.
Socialist care as much about the victims of school shootings as Stalin cared about farmers.
Without politics...... just numbers:
Uvalde - 19 kids
2019-21 abortions promoted by Democrats/Communist - 619,898
source; US CDC
Without politics...... just numbers:
Uvalde - 19 kids
2019-21 abortions promoted by Democrats/Communist - 619,898
source; US CDC
As far as #3 goes on your list, why are families willfully sending their loved ones to die overseas to enrich and empower bankers, corporate oligarchs, and politicians? That cycle needs to be broken.
And at the same time they say that 3 year olds are mature enough to make decisions about irreversible gender therapies and talk about sexual subjects, right??? Cool, we will never forget.
The one guy had a great response to the 1000% tax. Gun shop sells snicker's bar for $900.00 and you eat the candy bar in the gun shop then they sell the AR for $1.00 so your tax is $10.00.
I remember a bunch of people getting all pissy with me when I made a joke about drinking age. I said at 16 you're old enough to drive so you should be old enough to drink and drive. Oh well, my classy jokes aren't for everyone. 
Anyways, I really don't know what to think about raising the age for AR purchases. I pride myself in the gun community at being a true 2A supporter and not a fake Fudd. Right now as I type this, my thoughts about raising the age will be looked into more if I can be given a conclusive reason why the AR15 should be treated as a pistol instead of a rifle.
Anyways, I really don't know what to think about raising the age for AR purchases. I pride myself in the gun community at being a true 2A supporter and not a fake Fudd. Right now as I type this, my thoughts about raising the age will be looked into more if I can be given a conclusive reason why the AR15 should be treated as a pistol instead of a rifle.
My pop bought me a 22 lever action when I was in third grade. In high school many of us had gun racks in the car, and we'd go to the dump after school and plink stuff. But I guess that was back when people got heavy, a few fists flew, and it was over.
These days maybe we should make it 30.
These days maybe we should make it 30.
A monster capable of executing small children but doesn’t because it’s not legal to buy an AR until he’s 21. K…
I don't see a problem...
... as long as they adjust all other responsibilities and rights accordingly. After all, the age of 18yo was set based on a lot of arbitrary and shifting circumstance.
Now that we know the human brain doesn't fully mature until 25yo, voting age should be at least 25yo. That's a big chunk of Democrat voters.
We should also apply that to "gender reassignment". 25yo.
Student loan consent. 25yo.
Heck, move the age for firearms purchase and possession to 25yo. Shooting under supervision will still be allowed since shooters, both heroes and murderers aren't exactly shooting under RO command. The community with parents who are present are also more likely Republicans with guns.
If the Democrats want to shift the line in the sand, they better shift it universally but it is clear to see, it doesn't work in their favour.
They are about to play a stupid game. Prizes to follow.
... as long as they adjust all other responsibilities and rights accordingly. After all, the age of 18yo was set based on a lot of arbitrary and shifting circumstance.
Now that we know the human brain doesn't fully mature until 25yo, voting age should be at least 25yo. That's a big chunk of Democrat voters.
We should also apply that to "gender reassignment". 25yo.
Student loan consent. 25yo.
Heck, move the age for firearms purchase and possession to 25yo. Shooting under supervision will still be allowed since shooters, both heroes and murderers aren't exactly shooting under RO command. The community with parents who are present are also more likely Republicans with guns.
If the Democrats want to shift the line in the sand, they better shift it universally but it is clear to see, it doesn't work in their favour.
They are about to play a stupid game. Prizes to follow.
Why should a pistol be treated differently than any other firearm?I remember a bunch of people getting all pissy with me when I made a joke about drinking age. I said at 16 you're old enough to drive so you should be old enough to drink and drive. Oh well, my classy jokes aren't for everyone.
Anyways, I really don't know what to think about raising the age for AR purchases. I pride myself in the gun community at being a true 2A supporter and not a fake Fudd. Right now as I type this, my thoughts about raising the age will be looked into more if I can be given a conclusive reason why the AR15 should be treated as a pistol instead of a rifle.
The concealment factor. Sounds to me the ATF is gonna be pushing for the AR platform to be put on the NFA list. Gonna be pretty hard to do because the NFA list is suppose to be comprised of items that the ATF deems as "non-sporting". The AR platform is VERY much a sporting rifle!
Sure make everything 25...UNLESS...you're active duty military or honoraby discharged. Heinlein was actually on to something with his "full citizen".
From Robert Heinlein's Starship troopers:
The rights of a full citizen, to vote and hold public office, are not universally guaranteed, but must be earned through Federal Service.[19] Those who do not perform this service, which usually takes the form of military service, retain the rights of free speech and assembly, but cannot vote or hold public office. People of either sex above the age of 18 are permitted to enlist. Those who leave before completing their service do not receive the vote.[
Only a fool would serve the state.
To OP’s question…Fuck No!
Having said that, I’m in MD. It’s already 21 here for handguns and AR’s…well AR 15’s. Yeah that’s right an 18year old can buy a DPMS/AR10 no problem. That’s how stupid these fuckers are.
I could go on for pages about the dumb fucking laws here. Fuck 10 murders would take place in Baltimore in the time it’d take to wright it up.
There is an obvious problem for which there’s a simple solution that I have no issue with. It’s so prudent and obvious…the fact it hasn’t even been discussed is proof they DGAF about Kids, inner city minorities etc. Actually I heard a Republican congresswoman discuss this on Dana Leaish’s show. She said Dem’s shut it down and wouldn’t even allow discussion.
Florida, New York, TX, & many more of these shootings all have this in common. Sick fuck well known to authorities & having extensive juvi records turn 18, slate is wiped clean, they pass background check & before the fucking ink is dry they pull this shit. Why is this a thing???? It’s fucking painfully obvious. How about this, you turn 18 and want to buy a gun great, but the background check includes juvi record for anyone under 21.
If you did some fucked up shit when a juvi (I resemble that) & can clean up your act once 18 then great either wait till your 21 so prior juvi is wiped or go for it knowing they’ll see whatever you did. I got in my fair share of trouble as a miner, but nothing that would have prohibited me. Think about it. A bank wouldn’t give me a loan at 18 (I tried for a motorcycle), why…no history.
If they were talking about the above I’d believe they cared. There not, they have a specific agenda & we all know it! They are following a Blueprint. They showed there hand here in MD & elsewhere trying to ban AR’s going back 10 fucking years ago before all these shootings. Everytown, Gifords, Mad Mommies, Bloomberg all conspired to get the asault weapons ban here back in 2013. This include a personal visit from Bloomberg to the MD state legislators behind closed doors & a lot of arm twisting from O’mally (same shit stain that briefly ran for President).
They’ve tried to outright ban AR’s pretty much every year since.
Point is none of it was grass roots. All those organizations are just the metastasized cancer spreading from Soros/Bloomberg. As a team they have been pretty damn effective. Soros installed SA, Judges, & DA’s see to it that no violent criminal stays locked up & Bloomberg + the others swoop in with authritarian solutions to the problems they are creating.
So as a hedge many here in MD took up 80% builds. This year they banned them, no grandfather & no current path to compliance. 2023 own an 80% your a criminal with a punishment more severe than stealing a fucking gun…yes that was no mistake.
The Blueprint is obvious to me.
- enable violent crime as an imputes to expand power.
- erode rights and responsibility under the guise of solving the issues.
- Red flag is need to bypass constitutional rights. Well duh what they want to due won’t pass constitutional muster. Why does no one seem to know what an extreme risk protection order is?????
- mandatory background checks. Fudds fall for this BS hook line and sinker. By implementing this it means at some point in the future all weapons will have to become registered. No passing things on to family members, and no private sales without registration etc. They will then know where everything is…now why would they want that (rhetorical).
- ban 80% builds unless serialized and registered see above. They’re playing the long game. They’re patient and persistent.
- make no mistake the end game is 2A repeal and confiscation. It’s ambitious, but isn’t Evil always ambitious? It works in the shadows and many cannot see it till it’s to late.
The 2A was literally written to prevent this.
The real question that plagues me is this:
Are they slowly bringing us to a boil like frogs in a pot?
Or are they slowly turning up the heat under a powder keg?
I think a quick turn to tiranny would result in 2A application as intended to stomp it out. The enemy is flanking. They are trying to disable the security system before the Tiranny.
It’s a brilliant strategic move.....the fuckers!
I honestly & sadly give the odds at 50/50 for their eventual success based on current path.
Maybe/Hopefully I can muster some optimism come November. Yet I try to also be a realist & DC is about 95% corrupt. Marry fucking Poppins would be doing dirty deals after 4 years in DC.
Having said that, I’m in MD. It’s already 21 here for handguns and AR’s…well AR 15’s. Yeah that’s right an 18year old can buy a DPMS/AR10 no problem. That’s how stupid these fuckers are.
I could go on for pages about the dumb fucking laws here. Fuck 10 murders would take place in Baltimore in the time it’d take to wright it up.
There is an obvious problem for which there’s a simple solution that I have no issue with. It’s so prudent and obvious…the fact it hasn’t even been discussed is proof they DGAF about Kids, inner city minorities etc. Actually I heard a Republican congresswoman discuss this on Dana Leaish’s show. She said Dem’s shut it down and wouldn’t even allow discussion.
Florida, New York, TX, & many more of these shootings all have this in common. Sick fuck well known to authorities & having extensive juvi records turn 18, slate is wiped clean, they pass background check & before the fucking ink is dry they pull this shit. Why is this a thing???? It’s fucking painfully obvious. How about this, you turn 18 and want to buy a gun great, but the background check includes juvi record for anyone under 21.
If you did some fucked up shit when a juvi (I resemble that) & can clean up your act once 18 then great either wait till your 21 so prior juvi is wiped or go for it knowing they’ll see whatever you did. I got in my fair share of trouble as a miner, but nothing that would have prohibited me. Think about it. A bank wouldn’t give me a loan at 18 (I tried for a motorcycle), why…no history.
If they were talking about the above I’d believe they cared. There not, they have a specific agenda & we all know it! They are following a Blueprint. They showed there hand here in MD & elsewhere trying to ban AR’s going back 10 fucking years ago before all these shootings. Everytown, Gifords, Mad Mommies, Bloomberg all conspired to get the asault weapons ban here back in 2013. This include a personal visit from Bloomberg to the MD state legislators behind closed doors & a lot of arm twisting from O’mally (same shit stain that briefly ran for President).
They’ve tried to outright ban AR’s pretty much every year since.
Point is none of it was grass roots. All those organizations are just the metastasized cancer spreading from Soros/Bloomberg. As a team they have been pretty damn effective. Soros installed SA, Judges, & DA’s see to it that no violent criminal stays locked up & Bloomberg + the others swoop in with authritarian solutions to the problems they are creating.
So as a hedge many here in MD took up 80% builds. This year they banned them, no grandfather & no current path to compliance. 2023 own an 80% your a criminal with a punishment more severe than stealing a fucking gun…yes that was no mistake.
The Blueprint is obvious to me.
- enable violent crime as an imputes to expand power.
- erode rights and responsibility under the guise of solving the issues.
- Red flag is need to bypass constitutional rights. Well duh what they want to due won’t pass constitutional muster. Why does no one seem to know what an extreme risk protection order is?????
- mandatory background checks. Fudds fall for this BS hook line and sinker. By implementing this it means at some point in the future all weapons will have to become registered. No passing things on to family members, and no private sales without registration etc. They will then know where everything is…now why would they want that (rhetorical).
- ban 80% builds unless serialized and registered see above. They’re playing the long game. They’re patient and persistent.
- make no mistake the end game is 2A repeal and confiscation. It’s ambitious, but isn’t Evil always ambitious? It works in the shadows and many cannot see it till it’s to late.
The 2A was literally written to prevent this.
The real question that plagues me is this:
Are they slowly bringing us to a boil like frogs in a pot?
Or are they slowly turning up the heat under a powder keg?
I think a quick turn to tiranny would result in 2A application as intended to stomp it out. The enemy is flanking. They are trying to disable the security system before the Tiranny.
It’s a brilliant strategic move.....the fuckers!
I honestly & sadly give the odds at 50/50 for their eventual success based on current path.
Maybe/Hopefully I can muster some optimism come November. Yet I try to also be a realist & DC is about 95% corrupt. Marry fucking Poppins would be doing dirty deals after 4 years in DC.
Of course there will be exceptions to the rule but they must remain exceptions.
I would also wager the majority of honorable discharges aren't Dem voters.
We are told NOT to judge ALL Muslims by the actions of a few lunatics, but we are encouraged to judge ALL gun owners by the actions of a few lunatics.
Funny how that works.
Why not just raise the age for murder to 21 while they're at it. Should solve this problem. /s
Male and a property owner. Allowing women to vote has been part of the downfall.
Similar question, why does the concealment factor determine if the constitution applies or not?
With that logic, the California ban on 50 BMG is outrageous. There’s really no point to limiting the second amendment because there’s no logical (or consistent) boundaries for that
2A protects gun ownership for the purpose of opposing rogue governments.
Concealment is rarely required. Militias and military openly carry weapons.
Having said that, 4A does stipulate right to safety. Concealment is a factor here but can equally be argued open carry achieves the intended outcome.
Not taking sides on that one as I will admit, there's much more to it than I have been exposed for consideration. General gun ownership however should not be infringed.
Can vote, can defend the Constitution. Period.
If I went into a kindergarten with an aluminum baseball bat I could do as much damage as anyone could with an AR15 before the police to got there. Someone could enter a dining room in a seniors home during dinner with an ax and do as much damage as anyone could do with an AR15. A crazy piece of shit in a truck during a parade could do more damage than anyone could with an AR15.
The problem is not the weapon of choice, the problem is the psychopath wielding it. Someone who is crazy enough to commit mass murder at 18 will still be crazy enough at 21. And if someone is crazy enough to do this period, there's no need to assume they're going to follow the proper/legal channels to acquire a weapon. They're called criminals because they don't care about laws. So the solution to these people are more laws? You've got to be fucking kidding me.
The problem is not the weapon of choice, the problem is the psychopath wielding it. Someone who is crazy enough to commit mass murder at 18 will still be crazy enough at 21. And if someone is crazy enough to do this period, there's no need to assume they're going to follow the proper/legal channels to acquire a weapon. They're called criminals because they don't care about laws. So the solution to these people are more laws? You've got to be fucking kidding me.
Age is not a definitive factor in somebody’s ability to be responsible with a firearm.
God damn these people are stupid
God damn these people are stupid
Agree and understand but will add, I would categorize the willing destruction of this country as stupid.
Oops. I got tangled with work mid sentence. Was meant to read "privacy" instead of safety and that your right to not be searched still applies.
That's true, it is debatable how much government should be applied here (and zero is a valid point also) but we are talking about a public space, not the privacy of your own home.
Like I said, I don't know all the nuances but because it is a public space, I think some measure of governance is warranted.
Concealment is not possession/ownership.
When you say governance you mean armed men paid with your stolen wages pointing guns and telling you what to do? Thats what government is.
At the end of every policy, there are "armed men paid with your stolen wages".
I believe in a minimal government. Not an absent one.
I used to think that way as well. Not anymore. Government in all its similar forms are invoke evil.
Well, I was always told that it's the concealment aspect of handguns that makes them different than long guns. It's bullshit I know, but that's just what I was always told. Personally I feel we should be allowed to carry concealed neutron bombs on us if we want to and can afford it. Remember the Second Amendment doesn't say anything about just guns alone. It says "arms" which applies to way more than just guns.
I don't disagree but I have lived long enough to know replacing evil doesn't guarantee good. Sometimes there's more evil.
So we are clear, I think firearms good, government bad. I'm just not convinced concealment is an enshrined right.
Why does a group of criminals and murderers in DC get to decide what I do? I’m tired of it. I’m even more tired of men that trade their souls for badges and enforce the laws and will of tyrants onto others for a paycheck and sense of authority.
The age of eighteen is arbitrary. I don't revere it as the age of manhood. Besides, people are living longer and there's overwhelming evidence that 18yos are generally stupid. Just look at the political leanings of that age group.
The constitution just needs to recognise adulthood consistently across the board.
(Of course that's wishful thinking.)
Rather be that moron than one who cannot think but hey, if that's how you get your points across, you do you.
So you're playing the intersectionality card?
I'm not a lot of things but it doesn't preclude me from a discussion.
I agree, but that's not what you said in your earlier posts (sounded like you were considering additional legislation based on concealability)... Just trying to point that out.Well, I was always told that it's the concealment aspect of handguns that makes them different than long guns. It's bullshit I know, but that's just what I was always told. Personally I feel we should be allowed to carry concealed neutron bombs on us if we want to and can afford it. Remember the Second Amendment doesn't say anything about just guns alone. It says "arms" which applies to way more than just guns.
Meme stolen from another thread
