You did read that on another thread here, but there’s a lot more going on there that isn’t being publicized. I talked to VGW about it months back, and they basically said that the fast-twist barrels could outperform standard 1:16 barrels if everything went just right, but a) they were highly picky with ammo, and b) didn’t like muzzle threads. I didn’t get much info on item (b), but with ammo availability still being a pain and my desire to run a can, it immediately killed my interest in it. I didn’t talk to
@RAVAGE88 directly, but I figure if he had the secret sauce recipe dialed we’d be hearing about it haha
If they ever get it figured out and can run broad ranges of ammo types and suppressors, they’ll change the rimfire world (again). Until then, I’ll take them at their word when they recommend 1:16” as their preferred option.
This is a general response and not directed specifically at the quoted post above or the author of the quoted post above.
Just to inject a bit of perspective based on my years spent working on the fast twist project as there's so much more to it than what has been speculated by many. In actuality, the nine twist barrels (in particular) are not highly picky with ammo and muzzle threads affect every barrel, not just nine twist barrels.
Simply stated, when it comes to building a nine twist 22LR that performs the way it should, the approach has to be far different. This approach has to be based on a willingness to invest actual effort into understanding the goals, but instead, many are confused about what the goals are and want to stick with the same approach as with the 16 twist barrels.
Muzzle threads, suppressors, shorter barrels, not understanding proper barrel prep and on and on. Bottom line is, a higher degree of performance requires a higher adherence to very specific details, but I get it, familiar is comfortable. In addition, data points have to be different and when one sees something that doesn't agree with what they've always thought, then it HAS to be, "well, it's not working the way the 16 twist always has, so it has to be because it's a nine twist, and therefore, the nine twist won't work." This mentality is a failure to recognize an opportunity to expand one's knowledge base and we end up with, "it's highly ammo picky and it doesn't like muzzle threads." Meanwhile, I have many nine twist rifles I built in the lab that perform far outside the dabbling of effort from others based on the familiar approach. These rifles have spent a few years in the hands of third party testers and have fired 10's of thousands of rounds of ammo and generated pages upon pages of data.
So, with all this, I'm asked to share this data and when taking people through the details what I get is, "you don't have to do all that, just do it this way!" I hear that because for them, familiar is easy, familiar takes less or no additional effort, familiar is cheaper and after adhering to familiar, they quickly find themselves in a place to say, "the nine twist barrels don't work because they're ammo picky and you can't do muzzle threads." So, now, where I find myself with it is, when people are ready to listen, I'll talk....
Hope this helps....
MB
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