Rebuilding my position

[codym]

Ok so here goes a long drawn out stupid question. I’ve gotten serious about long range shooting and being a better shooter in general. A little back ground info that maybe pertinent. I grew up shooting mostly .22 rifle silhouette, I was a pretty decent shot. In high school, sports and duck hunting took over so lots of shotgun, little to no rifle. College was all shotgun. I joined the marine Corp and shot expert all 4 years but most of my training was close quarters house clearing with an m4. After the marine corp all shotgun and bird dog stuff. The last two years I have fallen back in love with rifles and LR shooting. So I have some issues that I know I need to work on and I think I know how-
Reticle bouncing (not off the target but the entire reticle and target bouncing) especially shooting for small groups at 1-200 yards. - I’m pretty sure this is due to too much cheek pressure, misadjusted diopter and closing one eye, causing eye fatigue. I’m gonna work on those.
The next issue and main reason for this post- in the last 12 years I’ve gotten much bigger. Competitive body building and semi pro football have widened my frame considerably. For reference I wrestled at 135 in high school, boxed at 141 in college and graduated boot camp at 150. I’m currently 235 at 5’10. I’m in great shape 10% bf or less so not obese, but this added width and mass I feel maybe contributing to my inability to keep my head straight behind the scope if the butt of the rifle is in my shoulder pocket. I have to roll my head over to get a good sight picture that in turn causes me fatigue and to feel like im fighting the gun. I think I need to move the gun towards my sternum? I’m looking for resources to help me rebuild my position and maybe some input from the bigger guys out there. I’ve been watching videos and reading articles from this forum and any other place I can find them but not really finding what I’m looking for. If there’s an obviously place where this stuff is found please don’t be a dick, I suck at navigating the interwebs. Ultimately I know I need to take a course or two but there’s no time for that in the near future so I’m looking at what I can do to work on things correctly on my own. Thanks gents and sorry for the long ass post.

 

[IronmanDaremo]

Maybe it is your rifle set-up and not your position, per se? How is your eye relief distance? Cheek rest too high/low? Length of pull too short/long?

There is another thread a bit more down in this forum about head tilt. Talks a lot about scope height.

https://www.snipershide.com/shooting/threads/scope-heights-vs-head-tilt.6970571/

 

[Jack Master]

Here is the best, recent, thread about the rifle placement into the shoulder Pocket.
Scott Satterlee is not a little fella and you'll see what he does, as well as Phil Velayo.
I place the rifle butt on my collar bone to get it closer to my body centerline.

Rifle Position in the Shoulder Pocket

http://www.snipershide.com/shooting...-in-the-shoulder-pocket.6919189/#post-7537646

 

[codym]

Good shit guys thank you. I’m gonna spend this weekend breaking my rifles and form down and re-setting them as perfectly as I can.

 

[OLD308]

5'10" 230 powerlifter no 6 pack but no love handles or gut. Here is the issues your having per my experience.

1) You have no neck if your that size and lifitng real weights. It drastically changes your bipod and rear bag height compared to average and small people. If your trying to lay as low and flat as average and small people your not comfortable. Put your 6-9 bipod up one notch from bottom and put your rear bag vertical. You will also see this issue with people with neck mobility issues.

2) Your tilting your head over the stock. Take your chin and put it on the top left side of your stock. Drag it down the side of the stock until it stops. Just like the taught us in grass week! Scope height has a lot to do with the as well as stock design.

3) Your scope is set up incorrectly. This is one I see most every day. Not the last word on scope installation, so just try it before you bash it. Put scope on max power and possession as far back as possible. Adjust your eye relief from there. Standard length of pull stock, your heights, and a properly set up scope will make up perfectly.

4) rifles-only-instructional-videos This video series is the lions share of what you learn in their Precision Rifle 1-2 course. Worth the money. I watch it everything my form goes to crap.

5) Bipod loading. Excessive loading causes more stress than you think. So fatigue sets in fast and groups open up faster. Remember when your in the perfect prone position you should be able to sleep. Just like they taught us in grass week.

Hope this helps.

 

[ShtrRdy]

There are some videos at Barbour Creek Shooting School youtube which describe positioning the stock closer to the sternum. Basically the same sort of positioning as mentioned above as described by Scott Satterled and Philip Velayo.





I haven't been able to get this to work for me but I don't have much musculature in my chest.

 

[codym]

5'10" 230 powerlifter no 6 pack but no love handles or gut. Here is the issues your having per my experience.

1) You have no neck if your that size and lifitng real weights. It drastically changes your bipod and rear bag height compared to average and small people. If your trying to lay as low and flat as average and small people your not comfortable. Put your 6-9 bipod up one notch from bottom and put your rear bag vertical. You will also see this issue with people with neck mobility issues.

2) Your tilting your head over the stock. Take your chin and put it on the top left side of your stock. Drag it down the side of the stock until it stops. Just like the taught us in grass week! Scope height has a lot to do with the as well as stock design.

3) Your scope is set up incorrectly. This is one I see most every day. Not the last word on scope installation, so just try it before you bash it. Put scope on max power and possession as far back as possible. Adjust your eye relief from there. Standard length of pull stock, your heights, and a properly set up scope will make up perfectly.

4) rifles-only-instructional-videos This video series is the lions share of what you learn in their Precision Rifle 1-2 course. Worth the money. I watch it everything my form goes to crap.

5) Bipod loading. Excessive loading causes more stress than you think. So fatigue sets in fast and groups open up faster. Remember when your in the perfect prone position you should be able to sleep. Just like they taught us in grass week.

Hope this helps.

you hit the nail on the head with all this. I need to re-adjust all my scopes and work on the chin placement and bipod rear bag set up. I will order the videos.