Recommendations for AR15 "iron sights" for matches

[BgBmBoo]

Ok...shooting club I belong to has monthly service rifle matches. It is pretty informal (any military "type" rifle can be used) but does require that iron sights be used.

I have a couple of JP AR's but run scopes on them. I want to start shooting these matches and am looking for input/recommendations for some GOOD sights.

Max range we will be shooting at is 500 meters...this will be real interesting for me as my eyes are not what they use to be for sure.

Take care,Stan

 

[Sebben]

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I have Troy HK folding sights on mine with a KNS .054 front sight post. I was putting hits on a man sized steel swinger at 400 yards just the other day. Im also a fan of the KAC rear 200-600m sight.

 

[jakerz3]

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look at HK diopter style sights. I think they would serve your purpose well. Something similar to this:

http://www.buytelescopes.com/Products/17...il-adapter.aspx

 

[jdel]

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I bought my brother a set of LMT detachable sights. They are fixed and look just like the what comes on an A2. I've thought of getting a A2 upper for your very reason and White Oak Armament has a sweet service rifle upper with a double pin rear sight set up for around 750. I know you are looking for sights alone, maybe White Oak can work their magic with the pins on the LMT rear sight.

 

[Sebben]

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Here are some pics.

 

[alibi]

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I am not familiar with JP rifles, but I know of a great set of sights for your match. Call the CMP and ask for the service rifle sights called "Garand". This would allow you to shoot in more than just your "informal" match, but opens the door also to NRA and CMP matches. If the wood and steel version of sights doesn't quite fit into the scheme of things, then maybe a complete upper for your lower receiver. Best advice I can give you, whichever sight setup you choose, go have fun and shoot.

 

[BERTMAN77MK2]

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the guys at White Oak can help ya--ck out the Tubb stuff too

 

[ORD]

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I would skip the back up/folding/BUIS/etc. type sights altogether if you seriously want to be competitive with service rifle shooters. You need a quality set of sights that have target-type adjustments, that can easily be adjusted by hand on the fly.

I would suggest either a detachable carry handle with a hooded, NM rear sight with 1/4 or 1/2 MOA (min.) adjustments in combination with a detachable A2 front sight with a NM post (these can mount either on your picatinny railed gas block which I assume you have on your JP rifle or on a railed handguard). White Oak, Armalite, RRA, Brownells and others offer these items.

Additionally, JP offers some nice sights on their site including a "shaved" DPMS detachable NM A2 sight setup along with their Lyman globe/Shaver Insert elevation adjustable front sight set.

If not the detachable Carry Handle/A2 Front tower or the sights from JP...then perhaps a set of SSS "space gun" type sights built specifically for NRA highpower, etc.

Each of these options will give you VASTLY better ability to engage precision targets at extended ranges compared to BUIS setups.

 

[chainring]

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My primary dislike for irons is the lack of precision at distance. I like the KNS post! Gonna get me some...

 

[taliv]

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i'm with ORD. get the NM sights on a detachable carry handle. The KAC sights are cool, but their front posts are always too thin and the rear, despite the price, is not as good as normal fixed NM hooded sight.

what types of targets are you shooting at? paper or steel?

Rounded front posts (e.g. in sebbin's pictures) are suboptimal for shooting at bullseyes like HP. It also depends on how old you are and how much help you need focusing on the front sight. When you say "eyes are not what they used to be", I'm going to advise a fat front sight, or at least a standard size. This is doubly important if you are mounting them on a quad-rail even closer than where they would normally sit on a rifle-length gas block.

 

[BgBmBoo]

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Thanks for all the input. I did not even think of checking out what JP offered...thank you ORD.

Take care,Stan

 

[Strangedays]

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I shoot the Troy DOA sights for matches when irons are used.
Works great for the close shots and best sight I have used for the 4-500 yard mark.

 

[daxromana]

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Another Service rifle shooter here. ORD is right on. Check out the RRA NM Detachable Carry handle. They have a true 600 yd sight with different hoods available.

 

[AK Sgt Maj]

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The only thing that would be Service Rifle legal, would be the detachable carry handle type rear sight. Most of them do not have enough elevation adjustment for 600 yards, I'm not sure about 500, but the RRA NM does, and you really want a hooded rear sight. The detachable front will work, but it is not legal for Service Rifle, it has to be fixed, but there is a new (for 2011) Service Rifle catagory of - (f) Service Rifle Optic Sight - Same as Service Rifle Rule 3.1(a) through (d) except there is no restriction as to sights. These new rules that allow optics, also sepurate the optic shooters, like F-Class did, and they only compete against each others, and not the iron sight shooters. The NRA is also allowing the M-110 to be used as a Service Rifle, but the CMP is not. The Army wanted them for 1000 yard Serice Rifle matches, so the NRA allowed them and the CMP does not have 1000 yard matches so they did not allow them.

 

[He Shoot Me]

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Ah ha! This would explain some of the recent inquiries from Mr. "InTraining" Hahahaa!

Stan, set me up with a coyote hunt and I'll send you my 6.5x55 Swede so you can punish him with it...LOL!

-Peace

 

[AlabamaShooter]

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I have the LMT rear sight for my carbine. Its great because you still have the ability to adjust for windage and elevation on the rear sight

 

[Tinman762]

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If your eyes are getting bad like mine, look at http://www.bjonessights.com/ it helps focus on target.just check with match organizer to be sure they are legal for competition

 

[Sebben]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: taliv</div><div class="ubbcode-body">i'm with ORD. get the NM sights on a detachable carry handle. The KAC sights are cool, but their front posts are always too thin and the rear, despite the price, is not as good as normal fixed NM hooded sight.

what types of targets are you shooting at? paper or steel?

Rounded front posts (e.g. in sebbin's pictures) are suboptimal for shooting at bullseyes like HP. It also depends on how old you are and how much help you need focusing on the front sight. When you say "eyes are not what they used to be", I'm going to advise a fat front sight, or at least a standard size. This is doubly important if you are mounting them on a quad-rail even closer than where they would normally sit on a rifle-length gas block.

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My rig is set up to acquire targets at distance faster and with more precision than a standard sight post. I was easily putting rounds on a center mass sized swinger out to 400yds.

To the OP. What kind of targets will you be shooting?

 

[Sterling Shooter]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: chainring</div><div class="ubbcode-body">My primary dislike for irons is the lack of precision at distance. I like the KNS post! Gonna get me some...</div></div>

You are misinformed. My average 1000 yard iron sight score with my AR based service rifle is 93 percent. My average score with my 6.5/284 bolt gun, fitted with an optic, is 98 percent. With irons, used correctly, it's easy to come to an understanding for exactly where the barrel is pointed. I can shoot 1/2 minute or better with either of these rifles at 100 yard reduced course targets. At distance what's important is a high B.C. and a sight with 1/4 MOA adjustment value, allowing zeroing refinment for conditions present.

 

[Sebben]

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1000 yards with a 223 and irons with 93%???

 

[Sterling Shooter]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Sebben</div><div class="ubbcode-body">1000 yards with a 223 and irons with 93%???</div></div>

Yes, I understand how to properly point the rifle with consistent sight alignment, and pull the trigger utilizing SMOOTH trigger control. You?

 

[Sebben]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Sterling Shooter</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Sebben</div><div class="ubbcode-body">1000 yards with a 223 and irons with 93%???</div></div>

Yes, I understand how to properly point the rifle with consistent sight alignment, and pull the trigger utilizing SMOOTH trigger control. You? </div></div>

Just thought there was a typo.

Are you using 77 grainers? and what size target are you shooting?

 

[Sterling Shooter]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Sebben</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Sterling Shooter</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Sebben</div><div class="ubbcode-body">1000 yards with a 223 and irons with 93%???</div></div>

Yes, I understand how to properly point the rifle with consistent sight alignment, and pull the trigger utilizing SMOOTH trigger control. You? </div></div>

Just thought there was a typo.

Are you using 77 grainers? and what size target are you shooting?</div></div>

I shoot the 80 grain Berger VLD over 24.8 grains of Re-15 for 2800 fps and single digit SD. The NRA LR target has a 44 inch diameter bulls-eye. Typically, I cannot see this target so I hold on the number board.

 

[Send__It]

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if it was for comp. i would stay away from the buis like some of the other guys are saying.

 

[Sterling Shooter]

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Yes, in fact, even the detachable carry handle BDC sight although "legal" for CMP and NRA governed Service Rifle competition is not as ideal as the fixed carry handle sight for someone who wants to shoot one gun in reduced course, XC, and LR. It's elevation range allows for sufficient depression, as well as elevation for targets used in reduced course and in full distance shooting.