Reliable/safe Remington trigger or other actions

[Evolution 9]

Ok guys,

I realize that for some, this is a touchy subject, but only if we make it that way, so please try not to.

I'm shopping for my next bolt gun and am very disappointed with the current options that I'm aware of. I want an accurate and reliable .308 that doesn't weigh a ton. My last gun was an AIAE MK II and it was perfect in the first two categories, but was too heavy for my taste.

Remington 700s can be accurate and light enough but of the 4 I've owned, three had "lawsuit triggers" (safety on -- press trigger -- gun will fire immediately when safety is moved to "off or fire"). All were factory new with no adjustment and one was x-mark or x-mark pro. I'm obviously hesitant to trust another Remington trigger. <span style="font-weight: bold">First question:</span> Is there a <span style="text-decoration: underline">super reliable</span> aftermarket trigger for the 700?

I looked at the Sako TRG but it has a weak trigger (too many stories of multiple returns to Beretta) and there are multiple reports of broken stocks (toward the butt)(they are plastic, not fiberglass).

I had a custom build by the biggest name in the business on a custom (Rem 700 footprint) action, and had to return the bolt to get it to reliably ignite primers.

I'm willing to spend what it takes, but it seems pretty stupid to spend 2.5-5k for a Sako or a custom and not be able to expect 100% reliability.

<span style="font-weight: bold">Second question:</span> Is there another manufacturer I should be considering?

I can consider FN/Winchester but I like DBM/AICS mags and some sources say the FN action shouldn't be opened up as much as is needed.

Thanks for the help guys. This will be for hunting/comps/and possibly LE work.

FWIW, My priorities are:

<ul style="list-style-type: disc">[*]110% Reliability[*]Weight [*]Accuracy [/list]

 

[oldfatguy]

Re: Reliable/safe Remington trigger or other actions

I guess I' been lucky with my Remy triggers. No problems at all. GAP uses Remington triggers in a lot of their builds including the 260 Rem Crusader I bought a few months ago. They seem to know how to set one up.

Lots of people won't use a Remington trigger so you are not alone wanting something else. Several good aftermarket triggers available for the 700 Remy.

OFG

 

[STR]

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Timney is perfect for the 700 as is the Jewell. I have never had any saftey isses with the ones I have had, but do like the after market triggers better for the 700. Hope that helps.

 

[JB02]

Re: Reliable/safe Remington trigger or other actions

I don't see anything wrong with getting a professionally tuned remington trigger or a Timney or Jewell. I personally enjoy the feel of Jewell triggers myself, but a Timney would probably be your best bet if you wanted a rock solid reputation for reliability. Check out GAPs "rock rifle." It probably has everything you're looking to get in a bolt gun.

 

[SharpsNitro]

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Just get a Winchester style 3-position safety for your bolt. Most, if not all, of the Remington triggers can be had without the safety, it's not integral to the assembly.

 

[mclevela]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Evolution 9</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Ok guys,

Remington 700s can be accurate and light enough but of the 4 I've owned, three had "lawsuit triggers" (safety on -- press trigger -- gun will fire immediately when safety is moved to "off or fire"). All were factory new with no adjustment and one was x-mark or x-mark pro. I'm obviously hesitant to trust another Remington trigger. <span style="font-weight: bold">First question:</span> Is there a <span style="text-decoration: underline">super reliable</span> aftermarket trigger for the 700?

I'm willing to spend what it takes, but it seems pretty stupid to spend 2.5-5k for a Sako or a custom and not be able to expect 100% reliability.
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I hate to call BS on your statement of three new Remington triggers going bang after safety on, pull trigger but it really does not seem plausible.

After I read your post I tried each of my eight Remington rifles with Remington triggers of which three have been adjusted and none of them fired.

Are you oiling these triggers? Just seems really unbelievable especially considering one of them x-mark pro.

I did have one Rem trigger that would fire but that was upon closing the bolt and after the rifle had spent three days in the rain and muck.
I must just be lucky when it comes to Remington triggers.

Good luck in your search for a 100% reliable bolt gun that is the perfect weight for you.

I would recommend Robert Gradous if you decide to go custom, send him one of those three faulty Remingtons, I am sure he can transform it to your specifications.

Edited for punctuation.

 

[Evolution 9]

Re: Reliable/safe Remington trigger or other actions

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: mclevela</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Evolution 9</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Ok guys,

Remington 700s can be accurate and light enough but of the 4 I've owned, three had "lawsuit triggers" (safety on -- press trigger -- gun will fire immediately when safety is moved to "off or fire"). All were factory new with no adjustment and one was x-mark or x-mark pro. I'm obviously hesitant to trust another Remington trigger. <span style="font-weight: bold">First question:</span> Is there a <span style="text-decoration: underline">super reliable</span> aftermarket trigger for the 700?

I'm willing to spend what it takes, but it seems pretty stupid to spend 2.5-5k for a Sako or a custom and not be able to expect 100% reliability.
</div></div>

I hate to call BS on your statement of three new Remington triggers going bang after safety on, pull trigger but it really does not seem plausible.

After I read your post I tried each of my eight Remington rifles with Remington triggers of which three have been adjusted and none of them fired.

Are you oiling these triggers? Just seems really unbelievable especially considering one of them x-mark pro.

I did have one Rem trigger that would fire but that was upon closing the bolt and after the rifle had spent three days in the rain and muck.
I must just be lucky when it comes to Remington triggers.

Good luck in your search for a 100% reliable bolt gun that is the perfect weight for you.

I would recommend Robert Gradous if you decide to go custom, send him one of those three faulty Remingtons, I am sure he can transform it to your specifications.

Edited for punctuation. </div></div>

I don't blame you! I couldn't believe it myself. Sadly, this problem is so common it has a name. link "FSR" or "Fire on Safety Release". None had been messed with in any way. Problems were discovered within about 100 or less rounds so trigger was never oiled or even looked at really. My other guns don't need oil or any inspection/cleaning on the first or second day out, so I didn't even think to mess with the triggers until the "FSR".

I have a thing for the Rem LTRs in .308 and have owned three of them.

I know they aren't exactly high end guns, but for 900+ per gun I expected better (one also had feeding problems). On the plus side, they were 3/4 MOA or better guns.

For the price of a custom or even a Sako TRG, it's pretty pathetic that you can't expect 100% reliability. If finding that requires "good luck" that's a pretty sad indictment of the industry as a whole. This rifle doesn't need to be "the perfect weight for me", just lighter than an Accuracy International, which leaves the vast majority of the precision rifles seen on the Hide, so that requirement is hardly unreasonable.

Hopefully that's not the case, and I just haven't found the right manufacturer yet.

 

[RHutch]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Evolution 9</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Ok guys,


Remington 700s can be accurate and light enough but of the 4 I've owned, three had "lawsuit triggers" (safety on -- press trigger -- gun will fire immediately when safety is moved to "off or fire").



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Why are you pressing the trigger as you slide the safety to the fire position?

 

[Uncut_Teeth]

Re: Reliable/safe Remington trigger or other actions

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: RHutch</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Evolution 9</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Ok guys,


Remington 700s can be accurate and light enough but of the 4 I've owned, three had "lawsuit triggers" (safety on -- press trigger -- gun will fire immediately when safety is moved to "off or fire").



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Why are you pressing the trigger as you slide the safety to the fire position?

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I think he means:
Safety on
Pull trigger
Release trigger
Safety off
Gun fires

 

[seanh]

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here's the deal on the rem trigger...yes, some have a problem. The only people that have had a problem are those that don't follow standard safety protocol...

It's real simple...only pull a trigger when you want the gun to go off. If you don't want the gun to go off, don't pull the trigger, unload the gun (not that difficult).

Oh, 1st rule of any firearm, it's always loaded. 2nd, don't trust the safety.

The only problem I have with the remington safety is with the people that are unsafe with their firearms (actually relying on the safety)

numerous "unloaded" guns have killed people or "I thought the safety was on"...just stupidity.

Timiny, jewell, CG all make great triggers if you don't like the factory.

 

[COLOSHOOTR]

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I don't really buy that a X-Mark trigger went off on you when the safety was taken off... I think you've watched too much of MSNBC's anti gun propaganda. The X-Mark trigger has extra safety features blocking the trigger and the sear so the gun won't just go off like older models supposedly do.

Also, as others have stated don't ever put your booger hook into the trigger guard and don't pull the trigger till your sights are on target and you are prepared to shoot. Once you're ready take the safety off then pull the trigger.... You should not be pulling the trigger relying on the safety on ANY firearm.

I'd say the X-mark is as safe as any factory or aftermarket trigger out there... The aftermarket ones just have a better feel to them.

 

[Evolution 9]

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Seanh and COLOSHOOTR,

My first line was for you. I wasn't sure it was necessary, but apparently it was. Here it is again for reference, "I realize that for some, this is a touchy subject, but only if we make it that way, so please try not to."

<span style="text-decoration: underline">"...yes, some have a problem. The only people that have had a problem are those that don't follow standard safety protocol."</span> --- You are incorrect. The only people who have a problem are people who expect a NIB firearm in the 500-1000 dollar range to function as advertised. I didn't say my gun went off and killed a family member, I said the trigger exhibited FSR. If I had a negligent discharge even with a malfunctioning trigger/safety, it would still be negligent. I did not.

<span style="text-decoration: underline">"I don't really buy that a X-Mark trigger went off on you when the safety was taken off... I think you've watched too much of MSNBC's anti gun propaganda."</span> --- I really don't care what you "buy" and after more than a decade as a private firearms instructor, NRA instructor, police SWAT and SWAT sniper, department instructor, department armorer, and licensed firearms and explosives manufacturer, I tend to not get my info from MSNBC.

Since it seems to be important to both of you: I keep my booger hooks where they belong while in the field and have NEVER had <span style="font-weight: bold">any form</span> of negligent discharge (over 300,000 rounds downrange to date), but I test and re-test my equipment under controlled circumstances on a regular basis. Each malfunction above was discovered with a dry weapon, NOT with an ND.

I'm not commenting on your intelligence, or a product you designed, or your ability to care for your family, or the size of your penis. --- Remington makes a product with a well known and documented problem, and I thought members here might have good suggestions for alternatives. <span style="font-weight: bold">There's no reason to make it anything other than that, and I asked you not to before you even posted here. </span>

Back on topic...

I'm taking a closer look at the FN SPR line. I could reduce weight by going to a 90% carbon stock. fluting the barrel, and cutting it to 20 inches, and I'm learning more about AICS mag bottom metal options. Any thoughts?

 

[Will Fennell]

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Evo,
I'm setting up a R700 AAC to run suppressed. After reading all I could, and talking to a few smiths, I ordered a Timney trigger for the project. Also, I found a Manners T3 with mini chassis here on the 'Hide, and it really screams quality. I should get the rifle this week, and we will see how this all comes together.

That being said, I have 2 TRG's and couldn't be happier with them. I have not had any trouble with the triggers, and wish ALL my rifles had TRG triggers. The stories you hear all seems to involve shooters who don't follow directions and try to "tune" their triggers too light. As far as the buttstocks are concerned, I'm pretty sure that has been addressed in the past by SAKO.....the current stocks seem plenty sturdy. To increase the portability, I simply added the excellent KRG folder to my 20" TRG, and have been very pleased.

 

[Haust]

Re: Reliable/safe Remington trigger or other actions

Whew, lotta stuff up there. Per the original question, my recommendation is the Timney 510. Trigger blocking safety, wonderful shoe surface area and cost effective.