Remington 700 VTR .223 or .308?

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I'm seriously considering purchasing a Remington 700 VTR but I'm not sure which chamber to go with. I'm looking for pros and cons on this one. The rifle will primarily be used for hunting; deer, coyotes and what not. I would also like to utilize it for any survival/ TEOTWAWKI situation. I would like to successfully engage targets from 600 to 700 yards out. I'm leaning more towards the 223 model just to due to the ease or one type of ammo to carry if I were to use an AR style rifle as a primary and the bolt action as a secondary. Or can the 223 round even reach a point that far out and still be effective?

Thoughts?
 
Re: Remington 700 VTR .223 or .308?

Not sure where your located at but most states require a 6mm or larger to hunt deer and animals of that size. Also if you want to engage target to 600-700 yards I'd also go with the 308. Don't get me wrong I shoot my spacegun in 223 out to 600yards with great success but I hand load heavy match grade bullets and not maglength 55grn or lighter. Hope this helps.
 
Re: Remington 700 VTR .223 or .308?

Some will probably argue but the 223's not a deer rifle. I'm not sure if the VTR is even offered in a fast enough twist to handle the heavies in 223. 308's a no brainer for you and your needs IMO.

okie
 
Re: Remington 700 VTR .223 or .308?

I know very little of hunting but owning both a .223 rifle and .308 remington i would say .308. I know zero on ballistics but just from looking at the penetration vs, how big the damage radius is. .308 seems it would be better suited to bring thing down. And its not that expensive, plus .308 feels like a proper bolt action to me haha
 
Re: Remington 700 VTR .223 or .308?

.223 can make the distance, accurately even if you can read the wind, but its out of energy, even with the heavy bullets, and a heavy match bullet isn't going to expand that far out. Its pretty unreliable even at shorter ranges if it hits a substantial bone. As was stated regs allot of places don't allow it for deer. .308 is a better choice for larger game, especially at longer distances.
 
Re: Remington 700 VTR .223 or .308?

you can hunt deer with 223 in Georgia but its not ideal.. like previously stated, theres just not enough knock down power at lengthy distances, and any wond will give you trouble.. handloaded 223 for target is achievable at 600 but not hunting.
 
Re: Remington 700 VTR .223 or .308?

If those are the only two options the .308 gives a lot more potential. If the targets you are engaging are the same you are hunting, you may want to really consider a magnum cartridge. Also, I'm not trying to hijack, but are you set on the VTR. A lot of choices in .308 for a little cheaper. I only write that because if you are new to shooting you are about to find a lot of options. If you are settled on the VTR, I'm sure you will enjoy the rifle. I don't think you will really have any problems with two different types of ammo if you run an AR some day. Or, just run a AR platform in a .308 chambering.

Blessings and welcome to SH,
BC
 
Re: Remington 700 VTR .223 or .308?

Thanks for everyone's input. I'm not totally new to shooting (7.5 yrs USMC) but what I shot was pretty limited M16a2/a4, M4, M249, M240G. Now I'm looking to get a pretty good bolt action, I read some reviews on the VTR, not the best was said. I'm now wondering if I should just take that money and invest it in a built M40A3 from GA Precision or R and B rifles since 308 seems to be the way to go.
 
Re: Remington 700 VTR .223 or .308?

I don't think you'd feel any regret going the custom route, you're paying for a guarantee as well here.

Other options are: Remington 5R in 308, Savage 10FCP in HS Precision or in Mcmillan in the 308.

Those are well liked factory guns that have proven to be great shooters for many, including me, though my 10fcp sits in a choate tactical stock.
 
Re: Remington 700 VTR .223 or .308?

Again welcome Sir,

I think the .308 is a good route and pretty common here. I thought I would show you a couple of options and my path. The 5R (.308) is a great start due to the SS, rifling, and ability to recoup funds out of the HS stock if you want to go with a better fit. I would go this route if I did it again.

My path was different as I left a cut down 700P in an M24 stock and met my goals (accuracy/price) with a 700 varmint I cut down. By the time I put a HS stock and Larue base on the rifle I was at 725.00 with good, if not great, accuracy results at your needed distances. I recently added an IOR 3-18 an new rings, and I am now at 2075.00. A few extras here and there and a less expensive scope and you are scope and rifle around this dollar amount with a 5R. This is just to compare the price of an accurate rifle to a custom build. I am currently deciding on bottom metal and will likely go with the CDI which will put me at 2375 (w/inl and mag) thanks to Jeff's 169.00 BM special. I hope this gives you a ballpark idea comparing one path to a good shooting rifle vs the custom approach.

Secondly, a buddy went with the SPS (.308) tac at 600. He picked up a used Sightron s3 off ebay for 300 (a steal) and a Choate stock at 175.00. He has a very nice shooter at 1175.00. We are very similar in that we use one gun for everything from hunting deer to shooting distances. We recently shot out to 500 and both guns are very accurate but his being less expensive.

Both guns are fine hunters with mine being lighter and both guns could address the "utilize it for any survival/ TEOTWAWKI situation"

I hope this helps a marine, who is much appreciated for his service, look at two ideas for a pretty good bolt action and its general pricing and performance compared to a custom's price. Keep looking around and I am confident you will find some "budget" builds that are shooting impressive groups at 700 yards.

BC