Remington 700

[future marine]

I recently purchased a Remington model 700 adl in .30-06 and i was wondering if it was possible to replace the barrel in .308 cal? Im wanting to build a long range precision rifle

 

[roggom]

Re: Remington 700

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[phillipjr]

Re: Remington 700

30-06 is actually a fine long range caliber. They are able to shoot heavier bullets very good. i woudl leave the rifle as is, or sell it a buy a rifle chanmbered in .308.

 

[dpodgurs]

Re: Remington 700

30-06 is a great round. I've used it before in long range applications and has done well. Currently I have a Remington 700 SPS chambered in 7mm Rem mag and am opting on switching systems to the 308. Reason behind this is I'm impressed with the Rapid Z 1000 reticle for 308.

 

[dmpowder]

Re: Remington 700

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: hrndyamax</div><div class="ubbcode-body">30-06 is a great round. I've used it before in long range applications and has done well. Currently I have a Remington 700 SPS chambered in 7mm Rem mag and am opting on switching systems to the 308. Reason behind this is I'm impressed with the Rapid Z 1000 reticle for 308. </div></div>

Your going to take a step back just to match a scope???

 

[Curnow26]

Re: Remington 700

I did the same thing. .3006 action .308 krieger MTU barrel.
Go for it. I actually prefer it to my rem 700.308 SA.

 

[dpodgurs]

Re: Remington 700

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: dmpowder</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
Your going to take a step back just to match a scope???

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Well as I said before I am very unhappy with the Nikon. Have done a good amount of research on the Rapid Z reticles and am impressed with them. What is your opinion on Rapid Z with 308 vs 7mm? I know the reticles are transferable from cartridge to cartridge.

 

[R700Gunslinger]

Re: Remington 700

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: future marine</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I recently purchased a Remington model 700 adl in .30-06 and i was wondering if it was possible to replace the barrel in .308 cal? Im wanting to build a long range precision rifle</div></div>

You sure can. I too say go for it.

 

[former naval person]

Re: Remington 700

Yes you can. However the .30-06 is a better long range caliber. Consider rebarreling in the same caliber with a custom barrel. You will not be sorry. JMHO

 

[Cacciatore]

Re: Remington 700

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: former naval person</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Yes you can. However the .30-06 is a better long range caliber. Consider rebarreling in the same caliber with a custom barrel. You will not be sorry. JMHO </div></div>


I would stick with the .30-06 as well.

 

[maclowry]

Re: Remington 700

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Cacciatore</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: former naval person</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Yes you can. However the .30-06 is a better long range caliber. Consider rebarreling in the same caliber with a custom barrel. You will not be sorry. JMHO </div></div>


I would stick with the .30-06 as well. </div></div>

+1
i would like to rebarrel one of my 30-06 to a varmint contour 26" barrel.

 

[redneckbmxer24]

Re: Remington 700

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: hrndyamax</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: dmpowder</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
Your going to take a step back just to match a scope???

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Well as I said before I am very unhappy with the Nikon. Have done a good amount of research on the Rapid Z reticles and am impressed with them. What is your opinion on Rapid Z with 308 vs 7mm? I know the reticles are transferable from cartridge to cartridge.
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Unless Zeiss has changed something the rapid Z is a mil based reticle and it makes no difference what caliber you use. You just need to get you dope on mils and make a chart and instead of dialing mils you hold. I'm not a fan of BDC reticles regardless the type, they simply aren't as accurate as dialing your elevation and holding your wind. For the price of a zeiss with rapid Z you can buy a very nice mil/mil scope.

The only advantages 308 has to 7mmRM is ammo availability, recoil, barrel life, and brass life. If you load and barrel life isn't a big concern it's a great LR round. One issue you're going to run into with the SPS is the pencil barrel, it's not as accurate as a heavy barrel and is going to heat up quick, especially with a magnum.

 

[redneckbmxer24]

Re: Remington 700

OP as others said 30-06 is a great LR round but you pretty much have to reload. 30-06 match grade ammo is expensive and there's little choices out there. If you don't reload and want to shoot LR I would just sell it and pick up a heavy barrel 308. Keeping it for a lightweight hunting rifle isn't a bad option as well but if you don't reload I wouldn't target shoot with it. Also just like the other guys 7MM SPS the pencil barrel is going to present a problem.

 

[Cacciatore]

Re: Remington 700

Another thing to consider if you don't reload. The .30-06 factory loads are mild so no one blows up their M1 Garand. Loaded hot the .30-06 can give the .300 WM a run for the money.

 

[dpodgurs]

Re: Remington 700

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: redneckbmxer24</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
Unless Zeiss has changed something the rapid Z is a mil based reticle and it makes no difference what caliber you use. You just need to get you dope on mils and make a chart and instead of dialing mils you hold. I'm not a fan of BDC reticles regardless the type, they simply aren't as accurate as dialing your elevation and holding your wind. For the price of a zeiss with rapid Z you can buy a very nice mil/mil scope.

The only advantages 308 has to 7mmRM is ammo availability, recoil, barrel life, and brass life. If you load and barrel life isn't a big concern it's a great LR round. One issue you're going to run into with the SPS is the pencil barrel, it's not as accurate as a heavy barrel and is going to heat up quick, especially with a magnum. </div></div>

Ah ok. Well I did want to switch over to the 308 because I can get a heavy barrel with the threaded barrel so that I will be able to put on a suppressor in the future and run sub sonic rounds. I understand the BCD reticles are not 100% accurate but they put you in the ballpark and fast. I eventually want to do some LR competitions and I believe that the Rapid Z would help.

 

[redneckbmxer24]

Re: Remington 700

You won't see many people at comps running BDC reticles and for good reason. You still have to resort to your dope and the only difference is spinning a knob. With the 10mil turrets on a lot of scopes these days it's really not any faster to have a BDC and the accuracy difference will more than make up for any possible speed difference. A fast miss is still a miss.

 

[redneckbmxer24]

Re: Remington 700

I will say though the Horus reticles aren't terrible if you absolutely must have a BDC. The lines are much more frequent and accurate than your typical BDC reticle so you can get a more accurate hold but IMO it's still not as accurate as dialing elevation and holding wind right on the crosshair. The reticles are also super busy and I found it pretty easy to use the wrong line and miss all together due to shooter error. A decent scope with a Horus reticle is also going to cost you a bit, the least expensive one that's worth a damn is the HDMR.

 

[dpodgurs]

Re: Remington 700

If not BDC what would be a good competition reticle on a Zeiss? I have MilDot on my Nikon now

 

[chaser_2332]

Re: Remington 700

BDC reticals are not for tactical match scopes. A standard MIL or MOA with good subtentions is all thats needed

 

[dpodgurs]

Re: Remington 700

btw I'm sorry if that got off topic. originally posted about the 308

 

[redneckbmxer24]

Re: Remington 700

Why are you stuck on zeiss? Unless you are talking about buying a hensoldt I would look elsewhere, Zeiss makes great hunting scopes but that's about where it ends. They don't have the features you want in a long range scope especially if you plan on shooing matches. The conquest line is also very limited on enternal travel.

I would access your budget and find a good LR scope that meets your needs with matching knobs and reticle (preferably mil/mil) and FFP. If you don't want to spend a fortune the Japanese made scopes combine the best quality with features for the price. I would look into the bushnell elite tacticals (the FFP mil/mil models), the HDMR, and SWFA SS5-20.

 

[TZS Gunfire]

Re: Remington 700

I just did that rifle. I had a Remington 700 BDL 30.06 and sent it to my gunsmith to rechamber it to 308 and put on a PAC-NOR super Match #7 5R 1-10 twist at 24" with a Tubbs recoil lug, then I bought from a friend a H-S Precision M-24 stock with a mercury recoil reducer in it. Had the stock bedded and the trigger redone (not worth it). I just ordered a Timney trigger. Put on a seekins one piece 20 MOA rail and TPS rings with a Vortex 6.5-20x50MM Mil-Dot scope. I hand load with originally 155 berger VLD with 43.5g of Varget and Federal 210M primers with Lapua brass and was getting 1/2 MOA at 200 yards on a 5 shot group. Decided to change to Sierra 175 Matchkings since they are less expensive and getting the same MOA. Going to try Reloader 15 to see what I get. I had the hardest time on choosing wether to stay with the 30.06 or going with the 308. I choose the latter because there was more load data and being less expensive to shoot with a little longer barrel life. Yes the 30.06 will reach out farther but so can the 308. I love my rifle, the only complaint I have is there is no magazines for it. The only one I found was from H-S and it only holds 4 and to me its not worth the $250+. I tried a 300win magazine but it was to sloppy and Im not sure if I want to modify it or not to work.

 

[GunKnowledge]

Re: Remington 700

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Downrange300</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Yes the 30.06 will reach out farther but so can the 308. </div></div>

I hate pointless stupid sentences like this. You don't even realize how dumb you sound.

"Yah the Super Snake Shelby GT500 is faster, but Hondas are fast too."

 

[dpodgurs]

Re: Remington 700

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: redneckbmxer24</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Why are you stuck on zeiss? Unless you are talking about buying a hensoldt I would look elsewhere, Zeiss makes great hunting scopes but that's about where it ends. They don't have the features you want in a long range scope especially if you plan on shooing matches. The conquest line is also very limited on enternal travel.

I would access your budget and find a good LR scope that meets your needs with matching knobs and reticle (preferably mil/mil) and FFP. If you don't want to spend a fortune the Japanese made scopes combine the best quality with features for the price. I would look into the bushnell elite tacticals (the FFP mil/mil models), the HDMR, and SWFA SS5-20. </div></div>

I like the Zeiss because it is in my budget and is not assembled overseas and its not Japanese or Chinese glass. I want to stick to USA/German glass. I could make the step up to the Leupold Mark 4 but for a few hundred more I might as well go Nightforce. But that is a step up on the budget and right now I'm not ready to commit to that. So it looks like my options are pretty much only Zeiss to stay in the budget.

 

[redneckbmxer24]

Re: Remington 700

A lot of parts come from overseas anyway and japan makes some excellent optics. Just as a heads up you have to have 80% or more of the parts made in the USA to mark the scope made in USA which is why Leupold doesn't mark theirs made in USA anymore. They source parts from overseas and they source those parts from china which is the junk of the optics world. Don't buy a Leupold thinking it's USA made, it's USA assembled at best.

 

[redneckbmxer24]

Re: Remington 700

BTW for a long time Nightforce was 100% made in Japan and they are one of if not the most reliable and rugged scopes there are.

 

[dpodgurs]

Re: Remington 700

Leupold is a reputable quality optics make though. But on the other hand so is Nikon...I am just very uneasy of going with a Japanese optic again after the trouble I've had with my Nikon. But you did mention Bushnell, which I have used before on my rimfire and it worked fine. I would like to look into mil/mil optics but I only know moa because that is all I have used.

 

[redneckbmxer24]

Re: Remington 700

Leupold is not a reputable optics company.

You're nikon is likely made in the phillipines, not japan. What model do you have? I've had nothing but problems with phillipino optics but we won't get into that because people start gettin butthurt.

Please don't judge the quality of Japanese glass by that of Chinese and phillipinos. Quality wise Japanese optics are right there with US and German made glass.

 

[redneckbmxer24]

Re: Remington 700

You have to keep in mind that a lot scope companies don't make any of their own optics. They contract them out to factories overseas with the exception of the real high end stuff. Bushnell, Burris, vortex, nikon and all the other US based companies that don't actually manufacture their own optics all have different scope lines that are made in different countries and all four of those companies named have scopes that come out of china and phillipines and most have a high end scope line that come out of japan. For bushnell all the tactical models are made in japan and for vortex the razor's are made in japan and most of their other stuff is made in the phillipines and some in china. Im pretty sure nikon is 100% phillipino now, they used to have their tactical line made in japan but the last one I had said phillipines on it. Burris also has them made all over the place and zincite other companies. The lines that come out of japan are pretty much guaranteed to be good scopes, the build quality will ventured and as long as the design is good then it will be a good scope.

 

[dpodgurs]

Re: Remington 700

I have the Monarch X the newer one. So you are probably right. My second choice would probably be the Vortex as I have heard very good things about that optic. I could be mistaken but when I talked to the guy behind the counter at my shop he said it to was made in the philippians......which is not where I want to go again.

 

[redneckbmxer24]

Re: Remington 700

Yes your monarch is made in the phillipines and so is most of the vortex scopes with the exception of the razor which is made in japan and the low end stuff which is Chinese.

I avoid phillipino optics like the plague. Some have them and like them but I haven't had one single scope from there hold up.

 

[dpodgurs]

Re: Remington 700

Ok sounds like we agree on something there. I will never buy an optic from the philippians or china for that matter again. I was looking at the Vortex Viper PST 6-24x50 because it is a mil/mil scope that stays in the first focal plane. But if that comes from the philippians I can just assume what it will perform like.

 

[redneckbmxer24]

Re: Remington 700

If you would like to further discuss phillipino scopes please PM me so that feathers don't get ruffled.

 

[dpodgurs]

Re: Remington 700

PM sent.