Remington 700P or Savage 110 Precision recommendation?

[snakebitten]

Looking to purchase a rifle for 600+ yards target shooting. I have the option to purchase a slightly used Remington 700P ($1100) 26" fluted barrel or new Savage 110 Precision MDT chassis 24" barrel ($1285) both in 308.

Which would be best for a beginner long range shooter? Thanks for all comments!

 

[Dirty D]

Coming from a Savage and Remington owner for that money you could get a Tikka that is better than either of your options in almost every way.

 

[Dirty D]

https://www.budsgunshop.com/product_info.php/products_id/100646/tikka+t3x+varmint+6.5+creed

 

[Turkeytider]

PM sent.

 

[vortexyz]

+1 on the Tikka instead. Eurooptic has the CTR 6.5 for 999 right now. Tons of good aftermarket support and very good rifles out of the box.

 

[hafejd30]

Another vote for tikka from a owner of many tikka, savage and rem 700’s

 

[MarshallDodge]

1. Tikka
2. Remington
3. Savage

 

[Trigger Monkey]

Coming from someone that's shot various Remingtons, Savages, Howa, FN's, etc...Tikka T3X is the way to go fo sho. It's a better gun out of the box overall in terms of quality, accuracy, trigger feel, the only downside is the non-existent customer service on Beretta's part. That being said, many smiths know how to work on them now and there are numerous aftermarket parts options now so I don't see that as a deal breaker.

 

[stanley_white]

Howa 1500 barreled action from Brownells and a KRG Bravo is about $200-$300 less than both of your current options and the Howa is tool-less disassembly for cleaning.

-Stan

 

[camocorvette]

I'm a die hard remington 700 fan. But your gonna have to dump money into it more then likely to make it shoot.
I've got a 700 Police model and I've had a 700 SPS varmint model.
They all have ridiculously long throats. I'm loading 178's at nearly 3 inches just to have a 20 thousands jump.

Get a tikka

 

[Greg Langelius *]

My own experience only includes Remington, Savage, and Ruger.

The 700P was very good, but Remington quality was spotty.

The Savage 110 (over a decade past), was also excellent.

The Ruger 77 Mk II 308 was my most preferable.

My current goto LR 308 is a Savage 11VT with a Choate Stock, and adjustable cheek piece. The package scope and mounts were below par, and I replaced them. This rifle does all I ask of it.

Greg

 

[stanley_white]

i forgot say I have had my Howa 1500 in an MDT ACC chassis in 6.5 Creedmoor out to 1,205 yards with 140 grain Hornady ELD-M and the only modification I did to it was clip 3/4 a coil off of the factory trigger spring which lightened the pull to 1.5lbs.

-Stan

 

[EotS]

Tikka for sure.

 

[Dead Eye Dick]

Howa 1500 barreled action from Brownells and a KRG Bravo is about $200-$300 less than both of your current options and the Howa is tool-less disassembly for cleaning.

-Stan

What he said ^^

 

[xsn10s]

I'd get a new Remarms 700 ADL Varmint and stuff it into a KRG Bravo. I did that with a 7mm RM standard ADL.

 

[NewsShooter]

Like others have said, Tikka over those two, better factory trigger, smooth bolt, barrels can be on the slower side but are accurate. I have three Tikka's, one savage and no remingtons.

 

[xsn10s]

One potential advantage of the Remington, or new Remarms Remington 700 is the feed ramp is already cutout for binderless AICS mags. I haven't confirmed it but a LRH member did. All the barrels are now 5R. A Varmint ADL is around $600, add a KRG Bravo for $400. And the new 308 Win barrels are 1-10" twist. It should come with the new Impact Timney trigger. My 7mm RM ADL did and it breaks at 3lbs 12oz.

 

[NewsShooter]

One potential advantage of the Remington, or new Remarms Remington 700 is the feed ramp is already cutout for binderless AICS mags. I haven't confirmed it but a LRH member did. All the barrels are now 5R. A Varmint ADL is around $600, add a KRG Bravo for $400. And the new 308 Win barrels are 1-10" twist. It should come with the new Impact Timney trigger. My 7mm RM ADL did and it breaks at 3lbs 12oz.

Almost a 4 lb trigger, my tikka's are about 2 lbs, with a spring change it's less if you want it lower. All my tikka's have bottom metal that uses AICS mags. Manners, XLR chassis, German Gun Stock.

 

[xsn10s]

Almost a 4 lb trigger, my tikka's are about 2 lbs, with a spring change it's less if you want it lower. All my tikka's have bottom metal that uses AICS mags. Manners, XLR chassis, German Gun Stock.

Aftermarket stocks, what were the prices of your stocks?

 

[xsn10s]

So far the fastest 308 Win twist on a Tikka is 1-11". I'd rather have a 1-10" or faster. Also the closest barrel length to compare to the Remington (26") or Savage (24") is the Tikka T3 Super Varmint .308 win (23.7") which is $1499 @ Eurooptics. I could add a Geiselle trigger to the Remington and still be $200 cheaper.

 

[stanley_white]

What drove me away from considering a Tikka, and towards the Howa was:

1. Tikka requires a pin of some kind to disassemble:



2. Tikka has a removable bolt handle, which to me is just one more thing that can go wrong.

3. There are no Tikka stocks that I like, so no matter what I buy I am paying for something I don’t need.

4. Beretta customer service has a bad reputation.

YMMV.

-Stan

 

[redneckbmxer24]

I’d buy neither of those. That Remington is going to most likely be production under freedom group which was spotty at best, and salvage is just trash.

I’d second the suggestion for buying a new rem arms rifle and dropping it into a KRG with a Triggertech for the same money. I’d do it in 6.5 Creedmoor though, there’s absolutely no reason to buy a 308 these days unless it’s just an incredibly good deal or you have a pile of 308 match ammo laying around. 6.5 kicks it’s ass ballistically while being more pleasant to shoot.

 

[Dirty D]

My own experience only includes Remington, Savage, and Ruger.

The 700P was very good, but Remington quality was spotty.

The Savage 110 (over a decade past), was also excellent.

The Ruger 77 Mk II 308 was my most preferable.

My current goto LR 308 is a Savage 11VT with a Choate Stock, and adjustable cheek piece. The package scope and mounts were below par, and I replaced them. This rifle does all I ask of it.

Greg

Greg, I had a Choate yeeeears ago and holy shit it was heavy and clunky. Get a Savage Bravo Chassis

Savage Bravo Chassis – Kinetic Research Group

kineticresearchgroup.com

They are $399 and better in every way than the Choate.

 

[xsn10s]

What drove me away from considering a Tikka, and towards the Howa was:

1. Tikka requires a pin of some kind to disassemble:



2. Tikka has a removable bolt handle, which to me is just one more thing that can go wrong.

3. There are no Tikka stocks that I like, so no matter what I buy I am paying for something I don’t need.

4. Beretta customer service has a bad reputation.

YMMV.

-Stan

I like the Howa also. It's too bad that Beretta's CS has a bad rep, I've not experienced that. I like the Howa's bolt angle/ location. It just feels faster to me. I also like it's extractor. Really you can't go wrong with any of the rifles mentioned imo. I just prefer my Remingtons.

 

[NewsShooter]

What drove me away from considering a Tikka, and towards the Howa was:

1. Tikka requires a pin of some kind to disassemble:



2. Tikka has a removable bolt handle, which to me is just one more thing that can go wrong.

3. There are no Tikka stocks that I like, so no matter what I buy I am paying for something I don’t need.

4. Beretta customer service has a bad reputation.

YMMV.

-Stan

So you don't like Manners, Mcmillan, greyboe, german gun stock, mesa XLR, KRG, Woox, PSE, MDT, bell and carlson, or boyds stocks, not to mention a few chassis options? I probably missed some in there. Never had an issue with the rifles I own, changed bolt handles, and disassembly isn't that difficult. One is on the second barrel so it's had more than a few rounds through it shooting matches. I don't really worry about their customer service, just like I don't worry about it with an impact or origin action.

 

[FuhQ]

Looking to purchase a rifle for 600+ yards target shooting. I have the option to purchase a slightly used Remington 700P ($1100) 26" fluted barrel or new Savage 110 Precision MDT chassis 24" barrel ($1285) both in 308.

Which would be best for a beginner long range shooter? Thanks for all comments!

Neither for that money... Get a custom barred action from PVA in your choice of caliber, for only $1,099 and buy any Remington 700 stock/chassis of your choice, and an R700 clone TriggerTech Special, and call it day.

Solus Barreled Action

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patriotvalleyarms.com

 

[stanley_white]

So you don't like Manners, Mcmillan, greyboe, german gun stock, mesa XLR, KRG, Woox, PSE, MDT, bell and carlson, or boyds stocks, not to mention a few chassis options? I probably missed some in there. Never had an issue with the rifles I own, changed bolt handles, and disassembly isn't that difficult. One is on the second barrel so it's had more than a few rounds through it shooting matches. I don't really worry about their customer service, just like I don't worry about it with an impact or origin action.

The brands you mentioned aren’t Tikka stocks — they are that brand’s stock inletted for a Tikka.

See the difference?

I didn’t like that I had to buy a Tikka with a factory stock, knowing I was going to throw the factory stock away, to buy something better.

With the Howa I can buy just the barreled action.

-Stan

 

[BobKaare]

I'd buy almost anything that isn't a remington, worst QC I have ever witnessed, and the design itself is pretty flawed, so no matter how good of a specimen you might get, it's still only as good as a rem 700.
Buy a Tikka, they are dirt cheap in the states, there's literally no point to use any other bolt rifle there, unless you need a longer action for some magnum cartridge.

 

[45-90]

The Remington 700 police 26" barrel purchased in about 2003 factory rifle, Jewell trigger.
3 shots 1000 yds 1.5" ....With load data moa and wind call, on target.
Next photo...purchesed a few months ago, Remington 700 ADL 300 WM $540 total cost on sale. Added a aluminum chassis and shot the first 5 shot group, handload with 200 gr SMK into 1/2 " group. Better than many custom built rifles.
Next photo 1400 yds 308 factory Rem 700 Police.
Australian shooting couple took the stock 700 police 26" barrel drop in alum chassis, to 3000 yds, with two hits of 10 shots on steel...it's on video.
Last photo a trued Remington 700, Bartlein 7.5 twist barrel in Aluminum chassis, in 6mm Dasher. In one setting Fired 13, 5 shot groups, with 3 different powders and many different match bullets, that averaged .313" at 100 yds in one outing no barrel break in no cleaning at the range.
Nothing wrong with a Remington 700, especially if ya add a Bartlein barrel.
But the factory rifles are very capable for the average shooter, I've been using them for 20 yrs to build most all my rifles custom rifles.

 

[A.sosa]

Both are fine rifles with many happy owners. They have completely different stocks, so I think whichever stock you like better from an ergonomic perspective is my suggestion. Barrel wear is unknown regarding the M700, so that’s the risk with a used rifle.

 

[308pirate]

Both are fine rifles with many happy owners. They have completely different stocks, so I think whichever stock you like better from an ergonomic perspective is my suggestion. Barrel wear is unknown regarding the M700, so that’s the risk with a used rifle.

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[cuirc]

Looking to purchase a rifle for 600+ yards target shooting. I have the option to purchase a slightly used Remington 700P ($1100) 26" fluted barrel or new Savage 110 Precision MDT chassis 24" barrel ($1285) both in 308.

Which would be best for a beginner long range shooter? Thanks for all comments!

You need a rifle that can mark a target at 2100 + yards the 308 while a great cartridge does not have the residual momentum.

 

[supercorndogs]

I'd buy almost anything that isn't a remington, worst QC I have ever witnessed, and the design itself is pretty flawed, so no matter how good of a specimen you might get, it's still only as good as a rem 700.
Buy a Tikka, they are dirt cheap in the states, there's literally no point to use any other bolt rifle there, unless you need a longer action for some magnum cartridge.

Oh my. The design itself is flawed.

 

[BobKaare]

Oh my. The design itself is flawed.

Extractor and ejector are dogshit and trigger can't handle some dust.
And don't even pretend like quality matches the price, they often have bores so off axis you can see it with the naked eye.
Is that not flawed?

 

[supercorndogs]

I have rarely seen any problems with their extractors and ejectors. The ones I have seen with problems just needed some simple deburring and polishing. They certainly wouldn't be the only rack grade barrels with the bore off center or rack grade actions that could benfir from some fine tuning.

However neither of those are flaws in the design.

 

[cuirc]

I have rarely seen any problems with their extractors and ejectors. The ones I have seen with problems just needed some simple deburring and polishing. They certainly wouldn't be the only rack grade barrels with the bore off center or rack grade actions that could benfir from some fine tuning.

However neither of those are flaws in the design.

Correct we are dealing with quality control not design. The market should correct these issues. I have no issue with the design. Question are you referring to both the Remington and the Savage? I have a Savage precision elite and I can't say enough about it. It shoots tight groups. And I made a target at 2100 yards with it.

 

[supercorndogs]

Savage I would consider bottom of the barrel as far as action design. Tikka if they have a design flaw it's their bolt handle attachment. People want to much for remington actions and parts at the moment. The only reason I use them is because I have them.

 

[cuirc]

Everyone is entitled to their opinion. I have no particular favoritism for Savage Remington Winchester or any other bolt action I probably own several of each as well as numerous military type their simplistic design is a major plus.. I have had more trouble with one of my Winchesters than any other. The only problem with Remington that I know of (and everyone else does) is the trigger. I own two Savage Target rifles one of them or over twenty years. I have had no problems with my Savages. The Savage elite premier in 338 LM has performed admirably. It has produces less than half min groups repeatably and recently I hit a target at 2100 yards so I have no complaints. No product is perfect.