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Remington: US gunmaker offers $33m to Sandy Hook shooting victims
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This. It is a tool. No better or worse than the person using it.
What are the deaths each year by stabbing? Oh, yeah, but knives were only designed to kill.
Despite that annoying little forged and fire guy... they are tools too.
Sirhr
Hi,
Want to know how to get rid of AR manufacturing without Politicians doing it.....
REMINGTON just did it.
The largest product liability insurance carrier for firearm manufacturers will not write policy renewals or new policies for any manufacturer of AR parts and guess what??? REMINGTON doesn't give a fuck about that.
The 3rd insurance carrier will write coverage for AR manufacturers but require them to sign the "No harm, negligence usage" exemption...meaning the insurance company will only cover if gun blows up not negligence use.
You all can keep living in fantasy world of "This isn't going to affect me", "It is not case law because settled out of court", "It's just insurance company paying it", etc etc
Mark it on your calendars....within 2 years there will be a reduction in AR manufacturers by at least 60%.
Sincerely,
Theis
Want to know how to get rid of AR manufacturing without Politicians doing it.....
REMINGTON just did it.
The largest product liability insurance carrier for firearm manufacturers will not write policy renewals or new policies for any manufacturer of AR parts and guess what??? REMINGTON doesn't give a fuck about that.
The 3rd insurance carrier will write coverage for AR manufacturers but require them to sign the "No harm, negligence usage" exemption...meaning the insurance company will only cover if gun blows up not negligence use.
You all can keep living in fantasy world of "This isn't going to affect me", "It is not case law because settled out of court", "It's just insurance company paying it", etc etc
Mark it on your calendars....within 2 years there will be a reduction in AR manufacturers by at least 60%.
Sincerely,
Theis
This isn’t correct. A hammer is a tool it is designed to hit a nail. A hammer can be used to kill.
A firearm is a tool. It is designed to kill. It can be used to shoot paper and steel.
The lawsuit is predicated on the violation of state statute in regards to how it was marketed.
it’s about the fact that it was in fact used as described by the manufacturer. The question is and the defense is how is that in violation of the state fare trade and advertising laws
This isn’t correct. A hammer is a tool it is designed to hit a nail. A hammer can be used to kill.
A firearm is a tool. It is designed to kill. It can be used to shoot paper and steel.
The lawsuit is predicated on the violation of state statute in regards to how it was marketed.
it’s about the fact that it was in fact used as described by the manufacturer. The question is and the defense is how is that in violation of the state fare trade and advertising laws
That’s incorrect and they have hearings already still scheduled out through August
I get what you're saying but that seems like some pretty twisted legalese logic to me.
Literally the point. Create a convoluted legal argument that is difficult to unpack. That means high expense to fight and makes it easier for a settlement to be a better business decision especially for a bankruptcy court
Hi,
Shit, lol....You are correct!!
But that would have to be the dumbest Bankruptcy court appointed Trustee" ever to walk this earth to allow Remington to not disclose and drop this liabilities bomb onto the court AFTER the accepted terms of the approved auctioning off of the different "subsidiaries".
STILL doesn't change a single thing in regards to manufacturers product liability insurance policy implications that this "may" cause and damn sure doesn't change the fact of what it has already caused.
Sincerely,
Theis
Interesting question about forgiving S&W. Do we blame Saf-T-Hammer for decisions made by Ed Shultz and Tomkins Plc.? Do we blame Ruger for decisions made by Bill Ruger, no matter who controls the company in the future? Might be like blaming CZ for those large pin Colt receivers.
I don’t care if it’s advertised to kill children and puppies, the add didn’t pull the trigger, folks are allergic to self responsibility
The add made me do it judge!
Problem--he who used it didn't purchase it. Nor is there any evidence that he acted on belief of that marketing. Its circular logic.
Also this logic will sink anyone who makes a self-defense handgun.
Not good. Not good at all.
Are you smoking crack?
good luck suing .gov
And the left loves them some double standards. None of that gonna work ^
However, the gun was already illegal in California. The seller dropped the sale of the gun (the WASR) in California and complied with all laws. And the shooter broke the law.
Based on California Law, the gun could never possibly have BEEN in California. Because it was illegal. So the manufacturers liability should end at the border. When they complied with California law.
Gun laws prevent illegal gun use. Therefore can't blame gun that can't be used... because there is a law against it being used.
Sirhr
You will have more luck suing the gov than you will expecting them to police themselves, but you’re right. The idea isn’t to expect a win, the idea is to clog the kangaroo courts with bullshit so everyone else can see what bullshit it really is
I was referring to the Garlic Festival WASR/Century Arms one. We now have two stupid convoluted legal arguments running... proving that Shakespeare was right...
Sirhr
You know, just checked my safe. Couldn't find an offensive designed gun in the bunch.
Matter of fact, my Model 52-2 .38 spl wad gun and a Winchester Model 75T that if I were to consider "killing" to be a requirement, they would be pretty much unsuitable.
Every single one is for recreation or if necessary "defense", you know that Second Amendment recognized universal right of man.
I kind of worry about anyone that sees "gun" and associates "kill, kill, kill!"
Regards "Bushmaster" being marketed as "a killing machine" can we prove psycho gun stealer murderer even ever saw any Bushmasters advertising?
Maybe he watched "Platoon" and got his ideas. Though not the same gun it has "the look" and as we are clown world where only "looks and feelings" matter, why not sue Oliver Stone also?
"Liability" seems to be the term we are arguing here that motivated Remington.
Depending on agenda and politics it appears corporations can have open ended liability while the user/abuser is absolved of any personal liability. With this thinking why even wait for the crime that may occur because a well designed, safe, product comes to market and gets abused? Let's just ban anything now that has alternative ability to be used irresponsibly, "Prethought" any possible crimes.
That is dumb.
You would have to first start with the people because last I looked lots of murders are done with nothing more than dick skinners we were all born with.
Matter of fact, my Model 52-2 .38 spl wad gun and a Winchester Model 75T that if I were to consider "killing" to be a requirement, they would be pretty much unsuitable.
Every single one is for recreation or if necessary "defense", you know that Second Amendment recognized universal right of man.
I kind of worry about anyone that sees "gun" and associates "kill, kill, kill!"
Regards "Bushmaster" being marketed as "a killing machine" can we prove psycho gun stealer murderer even ever saw any Bushmasters advertising?
Maybe he watched "Platoon" and got his ideas. Though not the same gun it has "the look" and as we are clown world where only "looks and feelings" matter, why not sue Oliver Stone also?
"Liability" seems to be the term we are arguing here that motivated Remington.
Depending on agenda and politics it appears corporations can have open ended liability while the user/abuser is absolved of any personal liability. With this thinking why even wait for the crime that may occur because a well designed, safe, product comes to market and gets abused? Let's just ban anything now that has alternative ability to be used irresponsibly, "Prethought" any possible crimes.
That is dumb.
You would have to first start with the people because last I looked lots of murders are done with nothing more than dick skinners we were all born with.
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Due to the fact we have had a liking ass govt over the course of this present new millennia, even to the Tonkin Gulf incident era perhaps, though I want to tin foil such thoughts I truly can't.
Especially Vegas.
Nothing to see here folks.
"In a 2018 memo prepared for the trial of Mexican drug lord Joaquín "El Chapo" Guzmán, an ATF analyst described how 40 of the Sinaloa Cartel's guns seized by Colombian authorities had been converted by Century Arms for sale in the U.S." ...and then given to them by the ATF.
but that’s not what’s happening here.
this is a lawsuit of a state statute.
for example and it may have changed I moved 8 years ago but in Michigan there was a law on pricing items for sale. So you go to a grocery store and the item is marked $1. They ring you up and charge you $2. You were entitled to 5x the difference.
It was meant to be a penalty to the store. Yes a potentially simple over sight but the idea was that the penalty needed to be severe enough to make it a priority for the store and to account for the fact than many would not have noticed they got ripped off.
this is a law suit exploiting an advertising law. The law suit exists because some lawyers looked for any path they could find to disrupt the industry.
The settlement offer exists because the company is severely financially compromised and in bankruptcy and therefore wants to include every single potential liability that’s out there to extinguish them all at once for good
I just am not in the market for that hard of a sales pitch, this type of lawyer sales pitch is why there’s stuff like jury nullification.
If it went to jury, I was in the jury box, I’d be laughing my ass off.
“Oh you going with that? Do you want me to find them at fault because some semi unrelated old law you’re trying to take advantage of, ba ha ha ha! Get fucked”
