Review of Roaming Shot Range (1000 yard facility) Slaughter, LA

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    I’ve attended many classes at Thunder Ranch, Shootrite, Rangemaster, Yavapai with Louis Awerbuck, Tactical Response, private classes with my sons, done stints in USPSA, High Power, and Three Gun – I've been on a lot of ranges. It occurred to me that pound for pound, hour for hour, my first trip to Roaming Shot was one of my best range trips ever.

    I met an expert. Ben Fabre provides a facility and understanding designed to demonstrate the potential of the shooter and equipment. Roaming Shot Range in Slaughter, LA has a 1000 yard capability. I scheduled a morning with Ben because I have two rifles I enjoy and two rifles I’ve been fighting. I’m lucky to be a member of Palo Alto Rifle and Pistol Club, which has multiple ranges allowing for rifle shooting out to 600 yards. I hoped to see what I could do with a 20” Grendel beyond the 600 yard line and to see what a short barrel Grendel was capable of. I also have a freshly scoped custom 700 and AR-10, both in 308. I was struggling to get the 700 to group to the capability of the Krieger barrel and the AR-10 to work at all with a suppressor attached.

    When you arrive at Roaming Shot, you walk up stairs to an air conditioned second story room with several windows you can shoot from. There are screens mounted next to you to show hits on the steel targets out to 1000 yards. A work bench has a plethora of tools behind the shooters and there is a drink/snack station to the side. We got started with the 20” Noveske barreled Grendel. Ben asked to shoot the gun to see what it was doing and put a few rounds down range to feel her out. After getting the velocity from a Garmin Xero and running a ballistic calculator, I got behind the glass and get direction to shoot the steel deer at 300, square metal at 400, bear at 540, pink bullseye at 700 – Ben is calling how many minutes to dial in, and I’m getting hits. At 800 I’m thrilled. I believed I had a legitimate 800+ yard gun but I hadn’t proved it – then I got three hits at 900. “Go to the buffalo at 1000. Give me another 5 minutes.” I turned the scope elevation up – and hit a wall. I only had another two minutes to give. Murphy laughs – I don’t have the scope in a base with any built in elevation. I’ve never had a better excuse to get a new mount. For the record, the barrel likes Hornady 123 Gr SST and does nothing but produce sub MOA groups.

    The second rifle was also a 6.5 Grendel, but with a 12.5” Noveske barrel. Hornady has recently released a 100gr V-Match ELD-VT and the scuttlebutt on the interwebs is that it performs in general and out of short barrels specifically. This was my first outing of consequence with the 100 gr, so Ben zero’d the gun. His final group at 100 was less than half an inch – Hornady and Noveske are doing it right. Ben got back behind the spotting scope and walked me out. With an old US Optics SR6 1.5-6 scope, I got 3/3 hits at 600. For the record, that 100 gr bullet at the muzzle is making 2,450-2,475 FPS for about 1,350 ft/lbs of energy. Call me old fashioned, but I think the short 6.5 Grendels are the sweet spot for a light gun that can deliver enough power for deer and hogs at the distances most people actually shoot.

    We moved on to the Remington 700. I’d told Ben about my concerns and the first thing he did was check the torque on every fastener and bolt on the gun. He used a digital in/lb driver. I was surprised to hear his call outs – “That isn’t even 13 in/lbs, this is only 25 ft lbs, that's over 60 in/lbs” etc – I laughed and give credit to Death Before Dismount who recently disparaged inexpensive analog manual adjustment in/lb drivers, which I had used. It may, as it turns out, be worth investing in a quality digital in/lb driver if you’re playing the precision rifle game. My second credit to Death Before Dismount is he donated a 50% off US Optics certificate to my cause which I used to purchase a FDN-17X. The scope is excellent thus far. Ben mentioned he’d prefer more positive clicks, but other than that he had nothing but praise. The glass is super clear and it seems to be a very well built scope. I’m out to wear out the barrel in an effort to learn the capability of the 18” 308 in conjunction with that scope.

    One of the most important things I learned was that the parallax markings on scopes are, at best, a rough guide. In the past, I've just dialed to the distance marked. Ben explained the specific magnification being used, shooters eye and so forth meant it is to be determined by actually moving your head to see if the reticle “floats” and if you can’t move around a little without the reticle adjusting, the parallax isn’t right. I found this particularly interesting because I initially complained the US Optics specifically only has one marking for 100 yards; other than that, it is just a smaller to larger rheostat laser engraving. That turns out to be the right way to do it.

    Ben went on to prove to me that the 700 was shooting, and that I hadn’t set my scope up properly for my eye. It needed to come back more than half an inch, but he adjusted the rings in moments and gave me a few pointers about how I was manipulating the rifle and magically I was stacking rounds. Ben shot a group that was less than an inch and a half at 300 yards. After a sub MOA group of my own, we moved on to my nemesis.

    Years ago I built an AR-10. I thought I had the ideal parts and configuration. I spec’d everything and it was a laser beam unsuppressed and a jam-o-matic with a can up front. For years I toyed with mags, ammo, springs, adjustable gas blocks, buffers etc. Ultimately, I've switched to a Noveske 16” barrel with a switch block, KAK bolt with dual ejectors and a 9.5 oz KAK buffer – she runs like a top with a Sandman K up front. The gun is shooting less than an inch and flinging brass out 20 feet at three o’clock. I’m not sure if Roaming Shot brings good luck or I finally threw enough money and parts at a problem to find success, but that rifle ran 100% and demonstrated it may be possible for a suppressed AR-10 to run even if it isn’t a $5000+ factory rifle.

    Going 4 for 4 makes for a great day – zero malfunctions and the arrows were flew straight and far. Turns out the Indian needed a little work and the set ups got some tweaking, but Ben had both under control. I can’t recommend the experience enough. His minor corrections – put that thumb over here, pay more attention to your level, try pulling the butt of the rifle more toward your center – all tightened me up.

    If you’re anywhere near Slaughter, LA and you consider yourself an enthusiast with anything that resembles a capable rifle – you owe yourself a trip. After a couple hours, you’ll know what you and your equipment can actually do in tandem and if you have any areas that are correctable – either physically or mechanically – chances are Ben will fix it in real time. Check them out at https://www.roamingshot.com/.
     

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    I’ve attended many classes at Thunder Ranch, Shootrite, Rangemaster, Yavapai with Louis Awerbuck, Tactical Response, private classes with my sons, done stints in USPSA, High Power, and Three Gun – I've been on a lot of ranges. It occurred to me that pound for pound, hour for hour, my first trip to Roaming Shot was one of my best range trips ever.

    I met an expert. Ben Fabre provides a facility and understanding designed to demonstrate the potential of the shooter and equipment. Roaming Shot Range in Slaughter, LA has a 1000 yard capability. I scheduled a morning with Ben because I have two rifles I enjoy and two rifles I’ve been fighting. I’m lucky to be a member of Palo Alto Rifle and Pistol Club, which has multiple ranges allowing for rifle shooting out to 600 yards. I hoped to see what I could do with a 20” Grendel beyond the 600 yard line and to see what a short barrel Grendel was capable of. I also have a freshly scoped custom 700 and AR-10, both in 308. I was struggling to get the 700 to group to the capability of the Krieger barrel and the AR-10 to work at all with a suppressor attached.

    When you arrive at Roaming Shot, you walk up stairs to an air conditioned second story room with several windows you can shoot from. There are screens mounted next to you to show hits on the steel targets out to 1000 yards. A work bench has a plethora of tools behind the shooters and there is a drink/snack station to the side. We got started with the 20” Noveske barreled Grendel. Ben asked to shoot the gun to see what it was doing and put a few rounds down range to feel her out. After getting the velocity from a Garmin Xero and running a ballistic calculator, I got behind the glass and get direction to shoot the steel deer at 300, square metal at 400, bear at 540, pink bullseye at 700 – Ben is calling how many minutes to dial in, and I’m getting hits. At 800 I’m thrilled. I believed I had a legitimate 800+ yard gun but I hadn’t proved it – then I got three hits at 900. “Go to the buffalo at 1000. Give me another 5 minutes.” I turned the scope elevation up – and hit a wall. I only had another two minutes to give. Murphy laughs – I don’t have the scope in a base with any built in elevation. I’ve never had a better excuse to get a new mount. For the record, the barrel likes Hornady 123 Gr SST and does nothing but produce sub MOA groups.

    The second rifle was also a 6.5 Grendel, but with a 12.5” Noveske barrel. Hornady has recently released a 100gr V-Match ELD-VT and the scuttlebutt on the interwebs is that it performs in general and out of short barrels specifically. This was my first outing of consequence with the 100 gr, so Ben zero’d the gun. His final group at 100 was less than half an inch – Hornady and Noveske are doing it right. Ben got back behind the spotting scope and walked me out. With an old US Optics SR6 1.5-6 scope, I got 3/3 hits at 600. For the record, that 100 gr bullet at the muzzle is making 2,450-2,475 FPS for about 1,350 ft/lbs of energy. Call me old fashioned, but I think the short 6.5 Grendels are the sweet spot for a light gun that can deliver enough power for deer and hogs at the distances most people actually shoot.

    We moved on to the Remington 700. I’d told Ben about my concerns and the first thing he did was check the torque on every fastener and bolt on the gun. He used a digital in/lb driver. I was surprised to hear his call outs – “That isn’t even 13 in/lbs, this is only 25 ft lbs, that's over 60 in/lbs” etc – I laughed and give credit to Death Before Dismount who recently disparaged inexpensive analog manual adjustment in/lb drivers, which I had used. It may, as it turns out, be worth investing in a quality digital in/lb driver if you’re playing the precision rifle game. My second credit to Death Before Dismount is he donated a 50% off US Optics certificate to my cause which I used to purchase a FDN-17X. The scope is excellent thus far. Ben mentioned he’d prefer more positive clicks, but other than that he had nothing but praise. The glass is super clear and it seems to be a very well built scope. I’m out to wear out the barrel in an effort to learn the capability of the 18” 308 in conjunction with that scope.

    One of the most important things I learned was that the parallax markings on scopes are, at best, a rough guide. In the past, I've just dialed to the distance marked. Ben explained the specific magnification being used, shooters eye and so forth meant it is to be determined by actually moving your head to see if the reticle “floats” and if you can’t move around a little without the reticle adjusting, the parallax isn’t right. I found this particularly interesting because I initially complained the US Optics specifically only has one marking for 100 yards; other than that, it is just a smaller to larger rheostat laser engraving. That turns out to be the right way to do it.

    Ben went on to prove to me that the 700 was shooting, and that I hadn’t set my scope up properly for my eye. It needed to come back more than half an inch, but he adjusted the rings in moments and gave me a few pointers about how I was manipulating the rifle and magically I was stacking rounds. Ben shot a group that was less than an inch and a half at 300 yards. After a sub MOA group of my own, we moved on to my nemesis.

    Years ago I built an AR-10. I thought I had the ideal parts and configuration. I spec’d everything and it was a laser beam unsuppressed and a jam-o-matic with a can up front. For years I toyed with mags, ammo, springs, adjustable gas blocks, buffers etc. Ultimately, I've switched to a Noveske 16” barrel with a switch block, KAK bolt with dual ejectors and a 9.5 oz KAK buffer – she runs like a top with a Sandman K up front. The gun is shooting less than an inch and flinging brass out 20 feet at three o’clock. I’m not sure if Roaming Shot brings good luck or I finally threw enough money and parts at a problem to find success, but that rifle ran 100% and demonstrated it may be possible for a suppressed AR-10 to run even if it isn’t a $5000+ factory rifle.

    Going 4 for 4 makes for a great day – zero malfunctions and the arrows were flew straight and far. Turns out the Indian needed a little work and the set ups got some tweaking, but Ben had both under control. I can’t recommend the experience enough. His minor corrections – put that thumb over here, pay more attention to your level, try pulling the butt of the rifle more toward your center – all tightened me up.

    If you’re anywhere near Slaughter, LA and you consider yourself an enthusiast with anything that resembles a capable rifle – you owe yourself a trip. After a couple hours, you’ll know what you and your equipment can actually do in tandem and if you have any areas that are correctable – either physically or mechanically – chances are Ben will fix it in real time. Check them out at https://www.roamingshot.com/.
    Soon travelling to LA to visit family, considering trying them out for coaching. Are you a member? What did it cost you for this coaching/assistance?
     
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    I’ve attended many classes at Thunder Ranch, Shootrite, Rangemaster, Yavapai with Louis Awerbuck, Tactical Response, private classes with my sons, done stints in USPSA, High Power, and Three Gun – I've been on a lot of ranges. It occurred to me that pound for pound, hour for hour, my first trip to Roaming Shot was one of my best range trips ever.

    I met an expert. Ben Fabre provides a facility and understanding designed to demonstrate the potential of the shooter and equipment. Roaming Shot Range in Slaughter, LA has a 1000 yard capability. I scheduled a morning with Ben because I have two rifles I enjoy and two rifles I’ve been fighting. I’m lucky to be a member of Palo Alto Rifle and Pistol Club, which has multiple ranges allowing for rifle shooting out to 600 yards. I hoped to see what I could do with a 20” Grendel beyond the 600 yard line and to see what a short barrel Grendel was capable of. I also have a freshly scoped custom 700 and AR-10, both in 308. I was struggling to get the 700 to group to the capability of the Krieger barrel and the AR-10 to work at all with a suppressor attached.

    When you arrive at Roaming Shot, you walk up stairs to an air conditioned second story room with several windows you can shoot from. There are screens mounted next to you to show hits on the steel targets out to 1000 yards. A work bench has a plethora of tools behind the shooters and there is a drink/snack station to the side. We got started with the 20” Noveske barreled Grendel. Ben asked to shoot the gun to see what it was doing and put a few rounds down range to feel her out. After getting the velocity from a Garmin Xero and running a ballistic calculator, I got behind the glass and get direction to shoot the steel deer at 300, square metal at 400, bear at 540, pink bullseye at 700 – Ben is calling how many minutes to dial in, and I’m getting hits. At 800 I’m thrilled. I believed I had a legitimate 800+ yard gun but I hadn’t proved it – then I got three hits at 900. “Go to the buffalo at 1000. Give me another 5 minutes.” I turned the scope elevation up – and hit a wall. I only had another two minutes to give. Murphy laughs – I don’t have the scope in a base with any built in elevation. I’ve never had a better excuse to get a new mount. For the record, the barrel likes Hornady 123 Gr SST and does nothing but produce sub MOA groups.

    The second rifle was also a 6.5 Grendel, but with a 12.5” Noveske barrel. Hornady has recently released a 100gr V-Match ELD-VT and the scuttlebutt on the interwebs is that it performs in general and out of short barrels specifically. This was my first outing of consequence with the 100 gr, so Ben zero’d the gun. His final group at 100 was less than half an inch – Hornady and Noveske are doing it right. Ben got back behind the spotting scope and walked me out. With an old US Optics SR6 1.5-6 scope, I got 3/3 hits at 600. For the record, that 100 gr bullet at the muzzle is making 2,450-2,475 FPS for about 1,350 ft/lbs of energy. Call me old fashioned, but I think the short 6.5 Grendels are the sweet spot for a light gun that can deliver enough power for deer and hogs at the distances most people actually shoot.

    We moved on to the Remington 700. I’d told Ben about my concerns and the first thing he did was check the torque on every fastener and bolt on the gun. He used a digital in/lb driver. I was surprised to hear his call outs – “That isn’t even 13 in/lbs, this is only 25 ft lbs, that's over 60 in/lbs” etc – I laughed and give credit to Death Before Dismount who recently disparaged inexpensive analog manual adjustment in/lb drivers, which I had used. It may, as it turns out, be worth investing in a quality digital in/lb driver if you’re playing the precision rifle game. My second credit to Death Before Dismount is he donated a 50% off US Optics certificate to my cause which I used to purchase a FDN-17X. The scope is excellent thus far. Ben mentioned he’d prefer more positive clicks, but other than that he had nothing but praise. The glass is super clear and it seems to be a very well built scope. I’m out to wear out the barrel in an effort to learn the capability of the 18” 308 in conjunction with that scope.

    One of the most important things I learned was that the parallax markings on scopes are, at best, a rough guide. In the past, I've just dialed to the distance marked. Ben explained the specific magnification being used, shooters eye and so forth meant it is to be determined by actually moving your head to see if the reticle “floats” and if you can’t move around a little without the reticle adjusting, the parallax isn’t right. I found this particularly interesting because I initially complained the US Optics specifically only has one marking for 100 yards; other than that, it is just a smaller to larger rheostat laser engraving. That turns out to be the right way to do it.

    Ben went on to prove to me that the 700 was shooting, and that I hadn’t set my scope up properly for my eye. It needed to come back more than half an inch, but he adjusted the rings in moments and gave me a few pointers about how I was manipulating the rifle and magically I was stacking rounds. Ben shot a group that was less than an inch and a half at 300 yards. After a sub MOA group of my own, we moved on to my nemesis.

    Years ago I built an AR-10. I thought I had the ideal parts and configuration. I spec’d everything and it was a laser beam unsuppressed and a jam-o-matic with a can up front. For years I toyed with mags, ammo, springs, adjustable gas blocks, buffers etc. Ultimately, I've switched to a Noveske 16” barrel with a switch block, KAK bolt with dual ejectors and a 9.5 oz KAK buffer – she runs like a top with a Sandman K up front. The gun is shooting less than an inch and flinging brass out 20 feet at three o’clock. I’m not sure if Roaming Shot brings good luck or I finally threw enough money and parts at a problem to find success, but that rifle ran 100% and demonstrated it may be possible for a suppressed AR-10 to run even if it isn’t a $5000+ factory rifle.

    Going 4 for 4 makes for a great day – zero malfunctions and the arrows were flew straight and far. Turns out the Indian needed a little work and the set ups got some tweaking, but Ben had both under control. I can’t recommend the experience enough. His minor corrections – put that thumb over here, pay more attention to your level, try pulling the butt of the rifle more toward your center – all tightened me up.

    If you’re anywhere near Slaughter, LA and you consider yourself an enthusiast with anything that resembles a capable rifle – you owe yourself a trip. After a couple hours, you’ll know what you and your equipment can actually do in tandem and if you have any areas that are correctable – either physically or mechanically – chances are Ben will fix it in real time. Check them out at https://www.roamingshot.com/.
    Looks like a nice place. Wish there was something like that in MN. Thx for sharing!
     
    Soon travelling to LA to visit family, considering trying them out for coaching. Are you a member? What did it cost you for this coaching/assistance?
    I'm not a member... yet. Ben bills $125/hour, so a 9-12 AM is $375 and worth every penny. You don't have to spend three hours, but I was able to walk out 4 rifles in that time, and get things mechanically adjusted and have some philosophical conversation. Bring a notebook.
     
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    I'm not a member... yet. Ben bills $125/hour, so a 9-12 AM is $375 and worth every penny. You don't have to spend three hours, but I was able to walk out 4 rifles in that time, and get things mechanically adjusted and have some philosophical conversation. Bring a notebook.
    Thanks for the info. Not being a member, I assume you could only shoot with the 'coach' by your side and not on your own after the session?
     
    Didn't even ask, but they had another gentleman in there working with another coach - I'd guess that you could work that out if they're in there anyway? With that said, its super handy to have someone behind you with a ballistic calculator spotting, calling wind etc.
     
    you walk up stairs to an air conditioned second story room with several windows you can shoot from.
    Now that's my idea of a range! haha

    Glad you have a great time and a good learning experience.

    By the by, there are many torque wrench options out there....but perhaps look at the Fix-it-Sticks torque limiter kits. Works very well and small enough to keep in your range bag.
     
    That appears to be the go-to, DBD said he uses the same offline. I'm going to pick one up, I appreciate the lesson. Still learning, all these years down the line...
     
    Great review. I am a member and joined at the end of last year. I am not well traveled when it comes to different ranges, but Roaming Shot is nothing but top notch. Ben, the owner, is as good a guy as I've met. Always willing to help out and very knowledgeable. Its nice to be able to bring only a rifle and a bag of ammo. He has pretty much has everything else there from front rests and rear bags to tools and a work bench with a vise. He even has a Garmin Xero Chrono for the range. Dont even need to bring ammo because he is pretty well stocked with a bunch of different match ammo. He is also always adding more targets to the range. Absolutely, worth a stop if you are anywhere in the area.
     
    Follow up -

    So, my sons have matching AR-10s, and they were equally frustrating. After getting #1 working, I decided to put the new bolt and buffer in the other gun and lo and behold - I didn't need to rebarrel after all, now they both run 100%. C'est la vie said the old folks. Turns out if you have bullets that are three times the size and weight generating three times the power, you might need a buffer that is twice as heavy and a bolt with dual ejectors for twice the (br)ass kicking out ability. Big ups to KAK as the kids say, less the $200 to fix between their 308 bolt and 9.3 oz buffer.

    But the weather had other plans - so my trip to Palo Alto got pushed and pushed. I decided to throw a Hail Mary yesterday afternoon and emailed Ben to see if he had availability this morning, and it all worked out - just like Lil Wayne said it would.

    I brought the twins, their 556 carbines and 308 AR's out this AM and we had a morning to remember. Their previous max distance was 400 yards with the 556's but today they got our to 600 with a 3.5x35 ACOG (ladder reticle) and a very, very old Vortex Razor first generation 1-4x. They had reticle sub tensions printed out to take detailed notes as to indications versus reality. We then got both the AR-10s out that far with 150 gr soft point hunting ammo with Ben behind the glass, calling out the elevations. Zero malfunctions and brass kicking out at 3 o'clock brings a tear to my eye.

    Props to Griffin Armament. We used a Micro Optimus on a new carbine this AM and it is really excellent bang for the buck on a size/weight/performance ratio. The can is marketed as a 22LR rated for 5.56 - I've only used it for 5.56 and I'm impressed. It doesn't defy physics, I wouldn't call it hearing safe per se but if you were hog hunting it is a very good option if you're trying to stay short and light while not outright blowing out your ears. It is pictured below.

    We also screwed a can back on my 700, and today I bought my hunting ammo. That gun loves Hornady 168 AMAX, which used to be marketed as a hunting bullet and has served me well in south Texas. We zero'd it at 100 and Ben jumped straight to the steel bear at 540 yards. The AMAX slammed into the bear's steel spine on his first call. 700, 900 and there we were - 1000 yards. Flight time is forever. There is a screen on the target and you have time to reflect on your hold and trigger break - and whether you should have opted for another couple inches of barrel - then believe you probably missed - then see the bullet splatter on the steel. It's magical. There is something about shooting a target over a half mile away and getting that confirmation I can't convey with words. All three of us rang the steel at distance, and all three were presented with "Roaming Shot 1000 Yard Club" badges. I dialed back down to 100 to make sure everything was as it should be and was happy to put a couple rounds into the X.

    At that point we called it a win and went to hit Sweet Rice Thai Cuisine in Greenwell Springs. I'm a ride or die with Thai Pepper on Florida, but we wouldn't have made it in time for a relaxed lunch before closing time. Sweet Rice is super fantastic meal and I couldn't have hoped for a better father/son experience on a rainy day.
     

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