Suppressors Ross Precision Suppressors

[Blackhawk 1]

I just got back from Ross Precision Gunworks, Chuck Ross allowed us to shoot all of his suppressors at a private range. The crafsmanship and quality were outstanding, I am now the proud owner of three RPG suppressors (after the ATF says I can take them home). Shooting my 338LM just became a pleasure, noticable recoil and noise reduction. We tried a 30 cal can on my A/R 15 223 and it sounded like a 22 long being shot. Chuck is very personable and great to deal with. I would recommend his suppressors to anyone. I ordered an A/R 15 in 300 Blackout and a A/R 10 in 308 after getting to shoot his A/R's and one of his customers A/R 10.

If anyone has any questions for me please PM me or I will try and answer on this thread.
Doug Caroselli

 

[RollingThunder51]

Re: Ross Precision Suppressors

..

Thanks for the post, nice to hear about another entry.

When I read their web site:

=================================

"Calibers Supported: .<span style="text-decoration: underline"><span style="font-weight: bold">223/5.56mm NATO or .30/7.62mm NATO </span></span>
Weight: <span style="font-weight: bold">20 oz</span>.
Length: <span style="font-weight: bold">9.5”</span>
Length added: 9.0”
Diameter: 1.500”
Finish: Black, Tan or OD Green Cerakote
Sound Reduction: 28-30 dB.
Mount: Direct Thread or RPG Quick Disconnect System (QD additional Cost)
Material: Grade 9, 3AL – 2.5V Titanium
MSRP: $1150.00

If you are looking for the lightest, most compact centerfire rifle suppressors on the market, look no further. Incorporating aerospace grade titanium components and proven design techniques the RPG T1000Ti, is ready for battle and able to withstand the harshest environments. The unique and patent pending design of the suppressor makes it impossible to have baffle strikes that can occur with other brand suppressors. The modular design of the T1000Ti makes it possible to completely disassemble and clean it giving the suppressor an extend life. By removing approximately 98% of the muzzle report, the RPG T1000Ti <span style="font-weight: bold"><span style="text-decoration: underline">eliminates the need for ear protection</span></span>, increases accuracy and velocity of the host weapon and allows the shooter to remain undetected from his firing position..

===================

I am left with a couple of immediate observations. It is neither the lightest, nor the most compact made. In fact, their .300 Winmag can is large. Some of those very same competitive Ti cans will take magnums in the dimesions of their smaller .223 Grunt. Also, the overall sound reduction is well below the dBs of some (lighter and shorter) as well. .223 can is listed as 28 max dB and the .30 at 30dB reduction. This is good (and honest), but not the best. The missing dBs would be quite preceivable. To be frank, there are examples that would be just shy of twice as quiet (5dB additional) In other words, the claim to no longer need ear protection is not accurate and concerning. This is especially true with their .338 can, at a max of 30dB reduction, the finals would come in at 145dB ish, well above the pain limit, above impulse damage (140) as well. Be careful with your ears. Large caliber Ti centerfire cans that come apart have real frequency ramifications (higher).

I look forward to seeing/hearing one at some point. Keep us posted

 

[Blackhawk 1]

Re: Ross Precision Suppressors

While I dont agree with you I respect your right to an opinion. Your reference of the grunt can, I would like to point out simple physics will dictate otherwise. As for real world sound reduction my business partner was shooting my 338LM while I was 5-feet behind him with no ear protection or pain to my ears. I would suggest if you want to dispute RPG suppressors go to the range with Chuck and do some hands on testing and not test your typing abilities on a key board. And in response to your statement and I quote (I look forward to seeing/hearing one at some point. Keep us posted)Im inviting you to Keller TX and I will provide the ammunition if Chuck will provide the suppressors. At that point I think you will be able to make a true evaluation of RPG suppressors based on hands on testing and not an opinion with no foundation. Oh and as for cans coming apart dont forget eye protection is always an important item to wear no matter what you are shooting. I hope you will come and shoot with us.
Thanks
Doug

 

[RollingThunder51]

Re: Ross Precision Suppressors

..

There is nothing simple about advanced physics when it comes to suppression. The issue is not physics, but construction methodologies. The length of their non magnum .30 can is all that is required for some houses to produce .300 win mag capable cans. I dispute nothing as I think RPG's suppression numbers are as stated. I am correctly pointing out that those dB numbers are not at the high end of other Ti cans in those calibers. Their weight and size claims (lightest, shortest) are not a matter of debate when seen in their proper light...reviewed against other offerings. As to Cans coming apart, it was not a comment about structural integrity but rather the harmonics of a titanium can that is welded "stack to envelope" as compared to anything...anything...assembled with the intent to disassemble and open up.

One Example of dB ratings for commonly found .338 cans, set out here by way of example, in this case the actual preceived sound is one half as loud as the can you mentioned. In other words, the RPG can is twice as loud.

Material: 6al-4v titanium
Construction: All components TIG welded
This is also a 20 ounce can.
Performance: Average 37.5db at the muzzle, tested on barrels from 16" to 26" .338 Norma and .338 Lapua.
This would be an SAS Vengeance, and their offering is not the quietest.

No harm meant, just a factual and honest dialog. Appreciate your kind and generous offer. No contest as to my typing, I will keep after it.

 

[Conqueror]

Re: Ross Precision Suppressors

Doug, for the sake of full disclosure, I'd like to know how many non-RPG silencers you own, or how many non-RPG silencers you have shot.

 

[clmayfield]

Re: Ross Precision Suppressors

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: RollingThunder51</div><div class="ubbcode-body">..

Thanks for the post, nice to hear about another entry.

</div></div>

Like you would ever own anything but an AWC...

 

[Blackhawk 1]

Re: Ross Precision Suppressors

I have a SWR spectre 22 while does come apart for cleaning it is heavy on my Walther & that is why I purchased the RPG 22. It is lightweight comes apart for cleaning. I have shot my brothers AAC Scare HD and like it also. So I own 1 can currently but have shot several not a lot. At the shot show this year I did go the several suppressor manufacturers to look at their cans. I hope I answered your question. My point is I'm in the metal working industry & know what real quality & craftsmanship is. Chuck has an outstanding product, he stands behind his product with good customer service. I also have a total of 3 rifle builds in the works with RPG.

 

[hrt4me]

Re: Ross Precision Suppressors

Even though I'm in the DFW metroplex, I'm looking forward to finally meeting Chuck Ross @ the free Mesquite Creek Ranch rifle match near San Saba next weekend and getting to see/hear/test some of his products (suppressors, night vision, thermal). I'll bring my own suppressors, i2 and IR for comparison.

 

[RollingThunder51]

Re: Ross Precision Suppressors

..

Like I would and do and will and always have?

 

[ceross1975]

Re: Ross Precision Suppressors

Guys

Working in this industry I have had the opportunity to see, shoot, and test many of the most popular suppressors on the market. I would never make any claim that I was not able to fully back up. On that note I have seen published numbers by some manufacturers that are not seen by actual users. My numbers are conservative. Have I seen better numbers on my suppressors, yes. However, those are with very specific loads in longer test barrels. My published numbers are actuals with factory black hills 175 SMK on 24" barrels. We use these numbers as they are what actuals users are most likely to see.

In reference to an above post, I do not know of a 300 win mag suppressor that is 6.5" long with similar dimensions to my Grunt. Does not mean it doesn't exist, I just don't know of one.

As for my non magnum caliber cans not rated for magnum calibers, testing has shown them to withstand even heavy magnum loads. We just don't see it suppress the load as effectively as the magnum rated cans. All of my products are over engineered. Coming from the aerospace industry, we over engineer everything we do. The last thing I want is a suppressor that is right on the edge of being able to handle high pressures.

Forums are great places to discuss products. I am very glad this venue exists. I do however wish that if people want to discuss products, that they at least be informed on the products they choose to discuss. I find it difficult to believe you can speak in an educated manner on a product that you have never seen, nor fired. I always welcome those to demo the products I sell. And, as Bach mentioned we will be at the Mesquite Creek Ranch match this next weekend with our products.

Please do not view this post as aggressive or trying to insight an argument. I just wanted to clarify some information.

On a side note, Doug I am happy to see you liked the product enough to post your experience.

Thank you.

If anyone has questions for me I welcome them. PM is good as well ad email.

 

[Conqueror]

Re: Ross Precision Suppressors

How do you sound test your cans?

 

[ceross1975]

Re: Ross Precision Suppressors

Working in the aerospace industry (full time job) for quite some time for one of the largest and most respected companies in the business, I have unique resources and access to sound measuring equipment. With that being said, this is the same equipment used to test sound levels inside helicopter cockpits and cabins during research and development. I can tell you it is equipment that I do not know how to use, and rely on a friend,(Accoustics Engineer) to accomplish the testing.

 

[RollingThunder51]

Re: Ross Precision Suppressors

..

Yes, this is a forum, no I haven't shot your cans. Yes, I appreciate your kind offer. Yes, I believe your numbers are accurate. Yes being informed is good. No you don't get a pass when somebody politely suggests that there are perhaps other lighter, shorter, quieter cans in Ti from other makers out there at this time in those very calibers. Yes, folks that have been using cans for decades can and will be able to accurately make general observations.

No, I don't like dB ratings as well and have explained at length why within many threads. I also am not crazy about centerfire cans, especially in .30/.338, that come apart and even less so in titanium.

I dropped the published dB number column off this, if I hadn't there would have been more than a few with significantly lower readings. There are more makers, but if they were not at least the same length, at least the same weight, they didn't make it. Some that dropped off (heavier/longer) were twice as quiet, and an ounce or two heavier or an inch or two longer. Others were left out because they really are not out there yet. POI is important and perhaps the best way to distill out the best of the cans, I have no idea where the RPG is on POI.

This is where I get to say to please not view this post as aggressive or trying to insight an argument. I just wanted to clarify some information.

 

[ptaylor]

Re: Ross Precision Suppressors

surfire has a 338LM rated can that is 14oz!? sorry to get off topic but that is something I want to hear about.