RPRR First NRL22 Match

[Raindizzle]

Hello All! Long time lurker here. Happy new years to all! So I typically don't post questions if I can find my answers with the search bar. This is the same post I had put on rimfire central without a response yet. I recently did my first NRL22 match on 12-23-19 with my rprr. Had a blast but felt like I was super underprepared equipment wise. We shot at distances from 35-100 yards. Biggest target at 35yds I believe was 1.25" down to .25". Biggest target at 100yds was 3" down to 2.5". Out of 24 competitors I ranked 18 lol. I had the hardest time shooting in prone from 65yds out to 100yds due to the slope elevation of the course layout. So first let me start off with my equipment.

-Ruger Precision Rimfire Rifle
-Monstrum Tactical G3 6-24x50 FFP MOA scope
-Medium height scope rings
-UTG Recon Flex MLOK Bipod 5.7"-8"
-Allen bench rest bag from Walmart

So now the questions. For those who shoot nrl22 or shoot prone in general.

1. What is a good adjustable bipod height for the rprr for prone shooting for flat to sloped land features like hills and such? I'm currently running at a max 8". Past 65yds I had to lift the rifle higher to get on target. When prone shooting kyl targets at 35yds with a 5.7" height was perfect.

2. With the scope magnification that I have. Is that acceptable for nrl22 or in general out to 200-300yds (bench rest distances), or should my magnification be a lot higher? Noticed other people with magnification of 30 or higher.

3. Follow up to #2. Is a MIL reticle over an MOA better for 22lr rifles or vice versa?

4. If I switch to lower height rings, will the 50mm objective clear the handguard or will it hit?

5. Not really a big deal, but what is a good choice bag for prone shooting for the stock end especially when on the move?

Thanks for taking the time to read this. Also happy to be apart of this forum. Learned a lot when it comes to 22lr information.

Also here is the video link of the match I did. Like share and subscribe! I'll be posting more shooting competitions, general shooting videos, and what not, now that I'm having more free time. You'll see that on one of the stages I used a concrete block to get me more height, and another where I need to lift my rifle in prone.



-Rain

 

[acudaowner]

very cool thanks for sharing and welcome .

 

[usafa77]

Worthless free advice.
1. Does UTG make leg extentions? or put your rifle on top of your backpack for more elevation.
2.24 should be plenty. Regardless of available magnification most people are using 8-14 positional for field of view.
3.no- plenty of threads on this
4.There's a thread on the scope subsection that gives you a formula to figure it out
5.borrow bags at the next match and buy the one you like.
Good luck !

 

[Raindizzle]

very cool thanks for sharing and welcome .

Thank you. Glad to be apart of this forum. Pretty new to 22lr precision, and am loving it!

 

[Raindizzle]

Worthless free advice.
1. Does UTG make leg extentions? or put your rifle on top of your backpack for more elevation.
2.24 should be plenty. Regardless of available magnification most people are using 8-14 positional for field of view.
3.no- plenty of threads on this
4.There's a thread on the scope subsection that gives you a formula to figure it out
5.borrow bags at the next match and buy the one you like.
Good luck !

Haha no advice is worthless advice for me! This is more knowledge to get me better at nrl22 and precision shooting in general. Im typically a run and gun competitor, but precision shooting gives me a little more excitement!

1. They don't have leg extensions, so I'm pretty sure I have to get a longer bipod. But I guess I'm trying to see what's a common adjustable bipod height, for these types of events.

2. Yeah I think I'm going to stick with my 24x. Just didnt know if it was overkill or not enough.

3&4. Going to check out those threads!

5. Haha I really do need to start talking more and learning tips and tricks. I was just too intimidated for this first match.

Thanks again for the advice!

 

[JaoeyP]

I've always had good luck with a Harris 6-9" (or knock off). Always had plenty of room shooting up or down hill.

Looking at your setup it appears you may have room to go a ring size down. Figure out what the mfr lists as ring height for current rings, and next size down, measure the difference between objective and handguard to see if you have enough clearance.

 

[Yoda_Flair]

1. Harris 6-9 bipod had always been great for me.

2. I currently have a 6-24x50 on my setup but very rarely go to a magnification higher than 12 for NRL22 matches.

3. I am one of the few that prefer to use MOA over MRAD.

4. If you're still using the factory 30 MOA rail then low time will most likely not work for you.

5. Borrow one during you next match. I use my mini fortune cookie for almost everything but I like my solo sac as well. Just personal preference.

Good luck

 

[DownhillFromHere]

1. What is a good adjustable bipod height for the rprr for prone shooting for flat to sloped land features like hills and such? I'm currently running at a max 8". Past 65yds I had to lift the rifle higher to get on target. When prone shooting kyl targets at 35yds with a 5.7" height was perfect.
You have to learn this for yourself. People have different physical characteristics; asking what size bipod to use is like asking what shirt size is best. The bipod heights I use now are different than what I used when I started this silliness two+ years ago. You will learn to read terrain and adjust bipod height accordingly. I carry two bipods at matches; the 5-9" gets 90% of the use but when I need the taller one it's available. As others have said, you can also just put something under the short one if more height is needed.

2. With the scope magnification that I have. Is that acceptable for nrl22 or in general out to 200-300yds (bench rest distances), or should my magnification be a lot higher? Noticed other people with magnification of 30 or higher.
24x is a gracious plenty. You dang sure do not need more. The higher the magnification, the longer it takes to find your target while the clock is running. I don't think I've ever used more than 15x in competition, except for my very first match where I started at 20x - and timed out because I couldn't find the targets or shot targets out of order.

3. Follow up to #2. Is a MIL reticle over an MOA better for 22lr rifles or vice versa?
Is a red shirt better than a blue one for 22lr rifles?

This subject has been beat to utterly, totally to death 78,536,891 times in SH alone. Find a reticle you like and use it. Beyond the fact that most PRS-style competitors prefer mils, it Simple.Does.Not.Matter.PERIOD. I have both.

4. If I switch to lower height rings, will the 50mm objective clear the handguard or will it hit?
Again, please do not get sucked into the ring-height bs. The primary consideration is whether you can achieve a comfortable cheek weld that you can maintain easily for whatever time the stage runs. If you're comfortable with the ring height you have, USE IT. The height Does.Not.Matter. within reasonable limits. Any ballistic calculator is going to allow you to set scope height. Comfort in mounting the rifle is what's important, not some arbitrary crap about how high the rings are.

5. Not really a big deal, but what is a good choice bag for prone shooting for the stock end especially when on the move?
If I could have only one bag, it would be a no-brainer: GameChanger. Works great as rear bag. For barricades, it can be strapped to the scope - NEVER the barrel!!!! - so it moves with the rifle. I now have ARCA rails on all my competition rifles and picked up a Cole-Tac bag set with a rail adapter off a prizes table so I don't have to strap on the (heavy) GameChanger anymore, but the GC works just fine.
----

Just accept that you are on a vertical earning curve right now. You're doing the right thing by researching and asking questions - but just accept that your preferences will evolve with your experience. Enjoy the ride.

 

[SanginSpecial]

"As others have said, you can also just put something under the short one if more height is needed."

To the OP.. 2 people have said this now, but I'd recommend checking with your MD before assuming that it will be allowed at your matches. Some MD's may allow it while others will not. I would not allow it at my matches unless the shooter uses the one allowed bag that is smaller than a volleyball for this purpose. If they do, then they cannot use a second bag for rear support.

Each stage of each month's COF has an allowable equipment list. For most every supported prone stage, that list usually states: "Equipment: 1 bag approximately the size of a volleyball or smaller. (Like a Weibad Mini Fortune Cookie)"

Internet advice is free, but not always in line with what your MD will allow.

Welcome to the sport! Let the fun begin!

 

[ocabj]

I am the MD for the match venue in question. So the rimfire range in the facility we're using for the monthly NRL22 match has a less common logistical issue where the 65 yards and beyond target placement areas are at an incline (the rimfire range was designed for NRA Silhouette Smallbore).

That being said, my tip for anyone shooting at our venue with something like the Harris 6-9 or the Atlas CAL (standard, not tall) is to run the legs fully extended when shooting prone at the 100 yard targets. Then a GameChanger bag "upside down", flat side on the ground and using the wedge like ears for the rear support will let you dig the stock into the bag to get on target without issue. If you were going to engage a shorter range (level) target in the same stage, then just flip the GameChanger in its side for rear support.

Obviously, this may vary based on body type and rigs.

Whenever you show up to another match, we can try seeing what works for you with your setup.

This range specific issue is a bit annoying, but it's a good lesson on adapting to shooting within the environment. Not every prone firing position is going to be perfect.

 

[DownhillFromHere]

This range specific issue is a bit annoying, but it's a good lesson on adapting to shooting within the environment. Not every prone firing position is going to be perfect.

Exactly. My first big lesson in judging bipod height for terrain or elevation was at a match where large concrete pipes were set side by side, parallel to line of fire. Shooting off the first one was rock-solid steady, very much like shooting off a tabletop. Two shots, hit or miss, go to the next pipe. That pipe wasn't level to the ground - it sloped away from the shooter. So the bipod setting that was perfect for the first pipe was now way too short - even with no rear bag at all, the muzzle was well below the level of the target. How long does it take to adjust bipod legs on the clock... safely; the rifle is loaded...

Right. I was pretty much screwed. You have to plan your progress through all the props on the stage. Part of the fun of competing.

 

[Raindizzle]

1. What is a good adjustable bipod height for the rprr for prone shooting for flat to sloped land features like hills and such? I'm currently running at a max 8". Past 65yds I had to lift the rifle higher to get on target. When prone shooting kyl targets at 35yds with a 5.7" height was perfect.
You have to learn this for yourself. People have different physical characteristics; asking what size bipod to use is like asking what shirt size is best. The bipod heights I use now are different than what I used when I started this silliness two+ years ago. You will learn to read terrain and adjust bipod height accordingly. I carry two bipods at matches; the 5-9" gets 90% of the use but when I need the taller one it's available. As others have said, you can also just put something under the short one if more height is needed.

2. With the scope magnification that I have. Is that acceptable for nrl22 or in general out to 200-300yds (bench rest distances), or should my magnification be a lot higher? Noticed other people with magnification of 30 or higher.
24x is a gracious plenty. You dang sure do not need more. The higher the magnification, the longer it takes to find your target while the clock is running. I don't think I've ever used more than 15x in competition, except for my very first match where I started at 20x - and timed out because I couldn't find the targets or shot targets out of order.

3. Follow up to #2. Is a MIL reticle over an MOA better for 22lr rifles or vice versa?
Is a red shirt better than a blue one for 22lr rifles?

This subject has been beat to utterly, totally to death 78,536,891 times in SH alone. Find a reticle you like and use it. Beyond the fact that most PRS-style competitors prefer mils, it Simple.Does.Not.Matter.PERIOD. I have both.

4. If I switch to lower height rings, will the 50mm objective clear the handguard or will it hit?
Again, please do not get sucked into the ring-height bs. The primary consideration is whether you can achieve a comfortable cheek weld that you can maintain easily for whatever time the stage runs. If you're comfortable with the ring height you have, USE IT. The height Does.Not.Matter. within reasonable limits. Any ballistic calculator is going to allow you to set scope height. Comfort in mounting the rifle is what's important, not some arbitrary crap about how high the rings are.

5. Not really a big deal, but what is a good choice bag for prone shooting for the stock end especially when on the move?
If I could have only one bag, it would be a no-brainer: GameChanger. Works great as rear bag. For barricades, it can be strapped to the scope - NEVER the barrel!!!! - so it moves with the rifle. I now have ARCA rails on all my competition rifles and picked up a Cole-Tac bag set with a rail adapter off a prizes table so I don't have to strap on the (heavy) GameChanger anymore, but the GC works just fine.
----

Just accept that you are on a vertical earning curve right now. You're doing the right thing by researching and asking questions - but just accept that your preferences will evolve with your experience. Enjoy the ride.

Thanks a bunch for this info. I actually did learn a lot from what i've read. I guess i'm getting all worked up on getting to the level of others who've done this longer than I have. I think I just need to adapt to me and evovle to what works and doesn't work for me. Definitely going to check out the GameChanger. Also interested in having one of those adjustable bipod rail mounts.

 

[Raindizzle]

"As others have said, you can also just put something under the short one if more height is needed."

To the OP.. 2 people have said this now, but I'd recommend checking with your MD before assuming that it will be allowed at your matches. Some MD's may allow it while others will not. I would not allow it at my matches unless the shooter uses the one allowed bag that is smaller than a volleyball for this purpose. If they do, then they cannot use a second bag for rear support.

Each stage of each month's COF has an allowable equipment list. For most every supported prone stage, that list usually states: "Equipment: 1 bag approximately the size of a volleyball or smaller. (Like a Weibad Mini Fortune Cookie)"

Internet advice is free, but not always in line with what your MD will allow.

Welcome to the sport! Let the fun begin!

Glad to be a part of this sport! The fun has already begun! Yeah I understand that there are certain rules, which is why i'm trying to buy once cry once on figuring out an all around bipod. Though I understand everyone is different, which is why I'm probably going to go for the two bipod route unless the second works out as an all around in my favor. We'll see though. Trial and error haha

 

[Raindizzle]

I am the MD for the match venue in question. So the rimfire range in the facility we're using for the monthly NRL22 match has a less common logistical issue where the 65 yards and beyond target placement areas are at an incline (the rimfire range was designed for NRA Silhouette Smallbore).

That being said, my tip for anyone shooting at our venue with something like the Harris 6-9 or the Atlas CAL (standard, not tall) is to run the legs fully extended when shooting prone at the 100 yard targets. Then a GameChanger bag "upside down", flat side on the ground and using the wedge like ears for the rear support will let you dig the stock into the bag to get on target without issue. If you were going to engage a shorter range (level) target in the same stage, then just flip the GameChanger in its side for rear support.

Obviously, this may vary based on body type and rigs.

Whenever you show up to another match, we can try seeing what works for you with your setup.

This range specific issue is a bit annoying, but it's a good lesson on adapting to shooting within the environment. Not every prone firing position is going to be perfect.

Hello sir! Glad to see you here too! Again that was a fun first match for me and learned a lot. Can't wait for the next one and to learn and see what works for me and what doesn't. Even though the range where we did our NRL22 match may be interesting, it definitely is a good lesson on adapting to the enviroment.

 

[Eoddave27]

Hello All! Long time lurker here. Happy new years to all! So I typically don't post questions if I can find my answers with the search bar. This is the same post I had put on rimfire central without a response yet. I recently did my first NRL22 match on 12-23-19 with my rprr. Had a blast but felt like I was super underprepared equipment wise. We shot at distances from 35-100 yards. Biggest target at 35yds I believe was 1.25" down to .25". Biggest target at 100yds was 3" down to 2.5". Out of 24 competitors I ranked 18 lol. I had the hardest time shooting in prone from 65yds out to 100yds due to the slope elevation of the course layout. So first let me start off with my equipment.

-Ruger Precision Rimfire Rifle
-Monstrum Tactical G3 6-24x50 FFP MOA scope
-Medium height scope rings
-UTG Recon Flex MLOK Bipod 5.7"-8"
-Allen bench rest bag from Walmart

So now the questions. For those who shoot nrl22 or shoot prone in general.

1. What is a good adjustable bipod height for the rprr for prone shooting for flat to sloped land features like hills and such? I'm currently running at a max 8". Past 65yds I had to lift the rifle higher to get on target. When prone shooting kyl targets at 35yds with a 5.7" height was perfect.

2. With the scope magnification that I have. Is that acceptable for nrl22 or in general out to 200-300yds (bench rest distances), or should my magnification be a lot higher? Noticed other people with magnification of 30 or higher.

3. Follow up to #2. Is a MIL reticle over an MOA better for 22lr rifles or vice versa?

4. If I switch to lower height rings, will the 50mm objective clear the handguard or will it hit?

5. Not really a big deal, but what is a good choice bag for prone shooting for the stock end especially when on the move?

Thanks for taking the time to read this. Also happy to be apart of this forum. Learned a lot when it comes to 22lr information.

Also here is the video link of the match I did. Like share and subscribe! I'll be posting more shooting competitions, general shooting videos, and what not, now that I'm having more free time. You'll see that on one of the stages I used a concrete block to get me more height, and another where I need to lift my rifle in prone.



-Rain

For your bipod a 6-9 bipod is pretty much the standard. Personally I like to use a bipod that is a little taller but can be angled at 45 degrees. I use an Accu Tac but the Atlas is another nice option. These bipods are also significantly more expensive than a Harris style bipod however.

Your scope is fine. You will find that field of view is more important than a lot of magnification in a lot of cases.

Mils or MOA doesn’t really matter. In general Mils is the language everyone will use at these style matches though. Once again as long as you know your dope in the units for your scope you are good

for the rings you will just have to measure.

For a rear bag I have a few of the house brand rear bags in various sizes from Midway. They are cheap and work well. For a longtime I just used a sock full of rice though. If you want one do all bag I would suggest a pint size or full size game changer. As others have said barrow others bags and see what you like. In general everyone at these matches is very willing to let you use their gear.

 

[Raindizzle]

For your bipod a 6-9 bipod is pretty much the standard. Personally I like to use a bipod that is a little taller but can be angled at 45 degrees. I use an Accu Tac but the Atlas is another nice option. These bipods are also significantly more expensive than a Harris style bipod however.

Your scope is fine. You will find that field of view is more important than a lot of magnification in a lot of cases.

Mils or MOA doesn’t really matter. In general Mils is the language everyone will use at these style matches though. Once again as long as you know your dope in the units for your scope you are good

for the rings you will just have to measure.

For a rear bag I have a few of the house brand rear bags in various sizes from Midway. They are cheap and work well. For a longtime I just used a sock full of rice though. If you want one do all bag I would suggest a pint size or full size game changer. As others have said barrow others bags and see what you like. In general everyone at these matches is very willing to let you use their gear.

Definitely looking into the gamechanger. On the upcoming match, I will be talking and seeing if I can borrow and try out some bags!

 

[Eoddave27]

I have a tactical udder and a good friend of mine has a full size game changer. I find his game changer to be more versatile than my bag. I am going to buy one of the rail charger systems from Area 419 before the season starts this year. That is basically a pint size game changer with an Arca rail mount. It seems like a great concept so you don’t need to pickup and move your bag every time you change positions. If you want to use it as a rear bag you just slide it off the Arca attachment.

 

[jinxx4ever]

my official course of fire jan 2020 says " rifle with a bipod only have one bipod attached to the bottom of the rifle. No other accessory may be attached to the bottom of the rifle or used as support. Examples that may not be attached are" other bipods, skid plates, mono pods, attached bags, or plates designed to give the rifle a wider foot print"
so as i see it, the attached bag to the Arca rail is a no no?

 

[ocabj]

so as i see it, the attached bag to the Arca rail is a no no?

As of current rules, correct, not legal.

 

[Eoddave27]

We don’t have NRL matches here so I don’t really know their rules. Our matches basically have the same rules on gear as PRS matches. Some stages will be limited but that will be specified in the corse of fire. Think of our matches here as a PRS match using a rimfire where the course of fire only goes out to 300 yards.

 

[308pirate]

1. What is a good adjustable bipod height for the rprr for prone shooting for flat to sloped land features like hills and such? I'm currently running at a max 8". Past 65yds I had to lift the rifle higher to get on target. When prone shooting kyl targets at 35yds with a 5.7" height was perfect.
You have to learn this for yourself. People have different physical characteristics; asking what size bipod to use is like asking what shirt size is best. The bipod heights I use now are different than what I used when I started this silliness two+ years ago. You will learn to read terrain and adjust bipod height accordingly. I carry two bipods at matches; the 5-9" gets 90% of the use but when I need the taller one it's available. As others have said, you can also just put something under the short one if more height is needed.

2. With the scope magnification that I have. Is that acceptable for nrl22 or in general out to 200-300yds (bench rest distances), or should my magnification be a lot higher? Noticed other people with magnification of 30 or higher.
24x is a gracious plenty. You dang sure do not need more. The higher the magnification, the longer it takes to find your target while the clock is running. I don't think I've ever used more than 15x in competition, except for my very first match where I started at 20x - and timed out because I couldn't find the targets or shot targets out of order.

3. Follow up to #2. Is a MIL reticle over an MOA better for 22lr rifles or vice versa?
Is a red shirt better than a blue one for 22lr rifles?

This subject has been beat to utterly, totally to death 78,536,891 times in SH alone. Find a reticle you like and use it. Beyond the fact that most PRS-style competitors prefer mils, it Simple.Does.Not.Matter.PERIOD. I have both.

4. If I switch to lower height rings, will the 50mm objective clear the handguard or will it hit?
Again, please do not get sucked into the ring-height bs. The primary consideration is whether you can achieve a comfortable cheek weld that you can maintain easily for whatever time the stage runs. If you're comfortable with the ring height you have, USE IT. The height Does.Not.Matter. within reasonable limits. Any ballistic calculator is going to allow you to set scope height. Comfort in mounting the rifle is what's important, not some arbitrary crap about how high the rings are.

5. Not really a big deal, but what is a good choice bag for prone shooting for the stock end especially when on the move?
If I could have only one bag, it would be a no-brainer: GameChanger. Works great as rear bag. For barricades, it can be strapped to the scope - NEVER the barrel!!!! - so it moves with the rifle. I now have ARCA rails on all my competition rifles and picked up a Cole-Tac bag set with a rail adapter off a prizes table so I don't have to strap on the (heavy) GameChanger anymore, but the GC works just fine.
----

Just accept that you are on a vertical earning curve right now. You're doing the right thing by researching and asking questions - but just accept that your preferences will evolve with your experience. Enjoy the ride.

BOOM! This post closes the thread.

The only thing I can add is that the units on the reticle and units on your turrets damned better the same. If you have an MOA reticle, make sure the windage and elevation adjust in same. Same goes for a reticle with milliradian divisions.

 

[Raindizzle]

BOOM! This post closes the thread.

The only thing I can add is that the units on the reticle and units on your turrets damned better the same. If you have an MOA reticle, make sure the windage and elevation adjust in same. Same goes for a reticle with milliradian divisions.

Well I'm glad my scope is an MOA reticle with MOA turrets. I think I will stick with MOA as I already have some knowledge with it, and will learn to be more efficient with it.

 

[308pirate]

Well I'm glad my scope is an MOA reticle with MOA turrets. I think I will stick with MOA as I already have some knowledge with it, and will learn to be more efficient with it.

Using a mil/mil scope is exactly like using a MOA/MOA scope. The reticle is the ruler, measure angles not linear distances. The units don't matter.

If you truly understand how trajectory works you won't need to ask what I'm talking about.