I have heard conflicting opinions on the Russian made 5.56 ammo with steel cases. Some guys say it works fine in their AR15 style weapons and some say the lacquer they coat them will gum up the chamber. What is the common concensus on this forum?
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Russian Steel Cased Ammo
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Re: Russian Steel Cased Ammo
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: CavSoldier3ACR</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I have heard conflicting opinions on the Russian made 5.56 ammo with steel cases. Some guys say it works fine in their AR15 style weapons and some say the lacquer they coat them will gum up the chamber. What is the common concensus on this forum? </div></div>
The key is not to run the lacquered cases in your AR (its the steel cases that feel like they have some sort of teflon like material that coats the cases instead of the lacquer). I have run wolf steel cased ammo in my Rock River Varmint A4 which has the Wylde chamber so will allow running 5.56 ammo. You should never use 5.56 ammo in .223 spec chambers.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: CavSoldier3ACR</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I have heard conflicting opinions on the Russian made 5.56 ammo with steel cases. Some guys say it works fine in their AR15 style weapons and some say the lacquer they coat them will gum up the chamber. What is the common concensus on this forum? </div></div>
The key is not to run the lacquered cases in your AR (its the steel cases that feel like they have some sort of teflon like material that coats the cases instead of the lacquer). I have run wolf steel cased ammo in my Rock River Varmint A4 which has the Wylde chamber so will allow running 5.56 ammo. You should never use 5.56 ammo in .223 spec chambers.
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I have shot a LOT of Wolf. My problems seem to be on 'unload and show clear'. If a live round sits in a hot and dirty chamber it tends to stick (drop mag / fire into bank / weapon is now clear - worst case, carry a cleaning rod and remove stuck case). The poly coated is better than the lacquer coated but it will stick under certain conditions.
You may encounter some cycling problems with the 55s in a 10.5" SBR regardless of what buffer you are using. However they seem to be fine in 11.5s and longer. The 62s and a heavy buffer usually run in a 10.5.
It is just fine for plinker / practice ammo.
Good luck
I have shot a LOT of Wolf. My problems seem to be on 'unload and show clear'. If a live round sits in a hot and dirty chamber it tends to stick (drop mag / fire into bank / weapon is now clear - worst case, carry a cleaning rod and remove stuck case). The poly coated is better than the lacquer coated but it will stick under certain conditions.
You may encounter some cycling problems with the 55s in a 10.5" SBR regardless of what buffer you are using. However they seem to be fine in 11.5s and longer. The 62s and a heavy buffer usually run in a 10.5.
It is just fine for plinker / practice ammo.
Good luck
Re: Russian Steel Cased Ammo
its works fine in my rra wylde chamber.. and also my work weapon that is chambered in 5.56mm.. its simliar in quality to other russian surplus ammo.. your not going to use it for comps, or precision shooting..
what it is good for is going out and plinking at short ranges and just having fun..
its works fine in my rra wylde chamber.. and also my work weapon that is chambered in 5.56mm.. its simliar in quality to other russian surplus ammo.. your not going to use it for comps, or precision shooting..
what it is good for is going out and plinking at short ranges and just having fun..
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Steel cases have been known to break extractors on lower quality AR's. Having said that if you are using spec name brand parts you shouldnt have issues in that area.
Only experiance has been with 62gr Wolf and it functioned just fine in my Sig 556 but it has a VERY strong amonia smell and its VERY dirty. Not sure I would really want to shoot it in an AR but I completly understand the reason why one would (cost).
Steel cases have been known to break extractors on lower quality AR's. Having said that if you are using spec name brand parts you shouldnt have issues in that area.
Only experiance has been with 62gr Wolf and it functioned just fine in my Sig 556 but it has a VERY strong amonia smell and its VERY dirty. Not sure I would really want to shoot it in an AR but I completly understand the reason why one would (cost).
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I've put a few thousand rounds of Wolf 62gr through my LWRC M6A3 without a hitch. It does run a little dirtier though.
I've put a few thousand rounds of Wolf 62gr through my LWRC M6A3 without a hitch. It does run a little dirtier though.
Re: Russian Steel Cased Ammo
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: CavSoldier3ACR</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I have heard conflicting opinions on the Russian made 5.56 ammo with steel cases. Some guys say it works fine in their AR15 style weapons and some say the lacquer they coat them will gum up the chamber. What is the common concensus on this forum? </div></div>
To answer your question, this is true, but again it is true to all weapons including the AK & SKS rifles, the lacquer will only build up only if you do not clean your weapon properly after each shoot... I recommend that one use a 40 cal brush in the chamber with solvent attached to a drill if they experience this problem....
Besides this shoot it up.... Russian manufactures have stopped (I was told) using the lacquer on the cases because of this.....
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: CavSoldier3ACR</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I have heard conflicting opinions on the Russian made 5.56 ammo with steel cases. Some guys say it works fine in their AR15 style weapons and some say the lacquer they coat them will gum up the chamber. What is the common concensus on this forum? </div></div>
To answer your question, this is true, but again it is true to all weapons including the AK & SKS rifles, the lacquer will only build up only if you do not clean your weapon properly after each shoot... I recommend that one use a 40 cal brush in the chamber with solvent attached to a drill if they experience this problem....
Besides this shoot it up.... Russian manufactures have stopped (I was told) using the lacquer on the cases because of this.....
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just went shooting last week with my buddies. They bought the ULYANOVSK .223 ammo and those shot fine. ULYANOVSK is made from the Tula plant which has the exact same logo as the Wolf, I believe Wolf is also made from the Tula plant. They did not encounter any problems. One had a Bushy M4 HBAR and my other buddy had the SIG556.
also these were not lacquer coated, these were polymer coated. together they probably shot 3-400 rounds that day and not one failure. hope that helps.
just went shooting last week with my buddies. They bought the ULYANOVSK .223 ammo and those shot fine. ULYANOVSK is made from the Tula plant which has the exact same logo as the Wolf, I believe Wolf is also made from the Tula plant. They did not encounter any problems. One had a Bushy M4 HBAR and my other buddy had the SIG556.
also these were not lacquer coated, these were polymer coated. together they probably shot 3-400 rounds that day and not one failure. hope that helps.
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I have shot about 3k rounds of wolf through my RRA Entry Tactical. It is a little dirtier then regular ammo but for the price its fine with me. For whats it worth it shoots just fine on full auto out of Colt's and out of RRA. The only stuck case I ever had was after shooting 800-900 rounds without cleaning. We were testing to see how well it would it shoot after shooting all day without cleaning. We had fun that day by the way
The new wolf ammo is a poly coating instead of the lacquer.
be safe and happy shooting
I have shot about 3k rounds of wolf through my RRA Entry Tactical. It is a little dirtier then regular ammo but for the price its fine with me. For whats it worth it shoots just fine on full auto out of Colt's and out of RRA. The only stuck case I ever had was after shooting 800-900 rounds without cleaning. We were testing to see how well it would it shoot after shooting all day without cleaning. We had fun that day by the way
The new wolf ammo is a poly coating instead of the lacquer.
be safe and happy shooting
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Mo_Zam_Beek</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I have shot a LOT of Wolf. My problems seem to be on 'unload and show clear'. If a live round sits in a hot and dirty chamber it tends to stick (drop mag / fire into bank / weapon is now clear - worst case, carry a cleaning rod and remove stuck case). The poly coated is better than the lacquer coated but it will stick under certain conditions.</div></div>
My experiences with it are very similar.
I've seen a lot of people at my club shoot the polymer coated stuff without issue, however, they never really got the weapon HOT, 20 rounds, maybe 30 and they let it cool.
We ran a course of fire this weekend that involved about 100-110 rounds in appx. 6 mins. Every guy (6) shooting the steel cased stuff didn't finish the course because of weapon failures. The polymer coated cases usually made it to about stage 7 or 8 (of 8) before they jammed mid-stage. The two guys using laquered cases failed by stage 5. Failures all happened when a live round was chambered, safed, and the shooter ran to the next position. FTE on the 1st round of the next stage.
I run an AL free float tube and my rifle was hot enough that it was uncomfortable to hold it even with a heavy leather glove. No problems with the brass reloads that I ran.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Mo_Zam_Beek</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I have shot a LOT of Wolf. My problems seem to be on 'unload and show clear'. If a live round sits in a hot and dirty chamber it tends to stick (drop mag / fire into bank / weapon is now clear - worst case, carry a cleaning rod and remove stuck case). The poly coated is better than the lacquer coated but it will stick under certain conditions.</div></div>
My experiences with it are very similar.
I've seen a lot of people at my club shoot the polymer coated stuff without issue, however, they never really got the weapon HOT, 20 rounds, maybe 30 and they let it cool.
We ran a course of fire this weekend that involved about 100-110 rounds in appx. 6 mins. Every guy (6) shooting the steel cased stuff didn't finish the course because of weapon failures. The polymer coated cases usually made it to about stage 7 or 8 (of 8) before they jammed mid-stage. The two guys using laquered cases failed by stage 5. Failures all happened when a live round was chambered, safed, and the shooter ran to the next position. FTE on the 1st round of the next stage.
I run an AL free float tube and my rifle was hot enough that it was uncomfortable to hold it even with a heavy leather glove. No problems with the brass reloads that I ran.
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I've shot a few thousand rounds of it through various ARs, watched my buddies shoot a similar amount. It is noticeably lower velocity and sometimes it won't cycle in guns that have issues, or at least won't lock back the bolt on an empty mag.
That said, I've always seen it to run well in guns that are in good working order. Accuracy wise, it's good for about 1MOA in pretty much every gun I've ever shot it in. Caveat is I've never shot it over 300 yards. Definitely a bit dirtier, but if you're shooting a lot, you're cleaning a lot no matter what you shoot.
Further caveat--if you are doing lots of tactical drills, you are going to have problems with this stuff. After running a few mags through the gun quickly, the gun reaches some temperature where it melts the laquer or polymer coating on the case and the case sticks in the chamber. The first time this happens, you might be able to mortar the round out. The second time it happens, you are going to tear the rim of the case off. Then have to beat the case out from the barrel end using a cleaning rod. And then scrub your chamber down well.
This is based on a sample size of about a dozen ARs/M4geries. All in all, buy it, shoot it, use it, but for competitions or serious training, it's not really suitable--cases will definitely stick when the gun gets hot enough.
I've shot a few thousand rounds of it through various ARs, watched my buddies shoot a similar amount. It is noticeably lower velocity and sometimes it won't cycle in guns that have issues, or at least won't lock back the bolt on an empty mag.
That said, I've always seen it to run well in guns that are in good working order. Accuracy wise, it's good for about 1MOA in pretty much every gun I've ever shot it in. Caveat is I've never shot it over 300 yards. Definitely a bit dirtier, but if you're shooting a lot, you're cleaning a lot no matter what you shoot.
Further caveat--if you are doing lots of tactical drills, you are going to have problems with this stuff. After running a few mags through the gun quickly, the gun reaches some temperature where it melts the laquer or polymer coating on the case and the case sticks in the chamber. The first time this happens, you might be able to mortar the round out. The second time it happens, you are going to tear the rim of the case off. Then have to beat the case out from the barrel end using a cleaning rod. And then scrub your chamber down well.
This is based on a sample size of about a dozen ARs/M4geries. All in all, buy it, shoot it, use it, but for competitions or serious training, it's not really suitable--cases will definitely stick when the gun gets hot enough.
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Never had a problem out of Russian, especially Wolf. My Rock River eats it alive, and I get beautiful MOA at 100m.
Like others have said, your going to need to clean real nice afterwards.
Never had a problem out of Russian, especially Wolf. My Rock River eats it alive, and I get beautiful MOA at 100m.
Like others have said, your going to need to clean real nice afterwards.
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i have fired several thousand rounds of it with no problems what so ever. my AR likes the brown bear and i clean my gun verry well after each shoot.
has any one ever thrown them in a tumbler and tried to remove the lacquer before shooting ?
i have fired several thousand rounds of it with no problems what so ever. my AR likes the brown bear and i clean my gun verry well after each shoot.
has any one ever thrown them in a tumbler and tried to remove the lacquer before shooting ?
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