I have 2 S & B (4-16 and a 5-25) The 4-16 has 1/4 MOA adjustments and the 5-25 has .1 Milrad adjustments. I noticed the 4-16 has more of a positive click (feel) then the 5-25. Have you guys noticed this? Another observation is that the 5-25 has the absolute zero that goes pass the zero mark by 4 clicks then you can continue to what feels like about half a click......but does not completely turn over. Is that just the difference in gear timing between the 2 scopes? Thanks in advance!
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Re: S & B users
I have a mil/mil S&B 4-16x42 and a mil/mil S&B 5-25x56 and the clicks spacing on the 4-16x42 is maybe slightly more positive, but to me it's hardly noticeable. My 4-16 has a zero stop at 0 but the 5-25 zero stop is 6 clicks below zero, that's just the way they are made. I just run the elevation to the zero stop then go back 6 clicks to get to 0.
I have a mil/mil S&B 4-16x42 and a mil/mil S&B 5-25x56 and the clicks spacing on the 4-16x42 is maybe slightly more positive, but to me it's hardly noticeable. My 4-16 has a zero stop at 0 but the 5-25 zero stop is 6 clicks below zero, that's just the way they are made. I just run the elevation to the zero stop then go back 6 clicks to get to 0.
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: m1match</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I have a mil/mil S&B 4-16x42 and a mil/mil S&B 5-25x56 and the clicks spacing on the 4-16x42 is maybe slightly more positive, but to me it's hardly noticeable. My 4-16 has a zero stop at 0 but the 5-25 zero stop is 6 clicks below zero, that's just the way they are made. I just run the elevation to the zero stop then go back 6 clicks to get to 0. </div></div>Same here only on my 4-16 mil/mil the zero stop is about half a mil below zero. The 5-25 is .6 mils below zero. They both have very crisp clicks, don't notice one being better than the other.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: m1match</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I have a mil/mil S&B 4-16x42 and a mil/mil S&B 5-25x56 and the clicks spacing on the 4-16x42 is maybe slightly more positive, but to me it's hardly noticeable. My 4-16 has a zero stop at 0 but the 5-25 zero stop is 6 clicks below zero, that's just the way they are made. I just run the elevation to the zero stop then go back 6 clicks to get to 0. </div></div>Same here only on my 4-16 mil/mil the zero stop is about half a mil below zero. The 5-25 is .6 mils below zero. They both have very crisp clicks, don't notice one being better than the other.
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S&B 5-25x56 MOA - Mine has a similar 4 1/2 or so clicks pass zero @ 100 yard zero.
S&B 5-25x56 MOA - Mine has a similar 4 1/2 or so clicks pass zero @ 100 yard zero.
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mine has exactly 1 moa, 4 clicks even past zero,I had a 4x16x40 and could not tell the difference between the clicks
mine has exactly 1 moa, 4 clicks even past zero,I had a 4x16x40 and could not tell the difference between the clicks
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I was in the middle of trying to decide between 3-12x50 and 4-16x50. And I had a couple of friends show me their S&Bs.
Here I had in front of me the 4-16x50 (MRAD), 3-12x50 (MOA), 10x42 (MRAD) and a 6x42 oddball:
and I had a chance to feel the clicks on each knob. None of the three PMII scopes clicked the same. They all had different clicks. What's even more interesting, the clicks on the 4-16x50 felt biased counter clockwise. Counterclockwise feeling lighter by a hair.
The MOA knob felt the sharpest. But overall, they all felt great.
Not based on the clickage, but I am sold on the 3-12x50 MRAD clicks and parallax. I just need to find one.
I was in the middle of trying to decide between 3-12x50 and 4-16x50. And I had a couple of friends show me their S&Bs.
Here I had in front of me the 4-16x50 (MRAD), 3-12x50 (MOA), 10x42 (MRAD) and a 6x42 oddball:
and I had a chance to feel the clicks on each knob. None of the three PMII scopes clicked the same. They all had different clicks. What's even more interesting, the clicks on the 4-16x50 felt biased counter clockwise. Counterclockwise feeling lighter by a hair.
The MOA knob felt the sharpest. But overall, they all felt great.
Not based on the clickage, but I am sold on the 3-12x50 MRAD clicks and parallax. I just need to find one.
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Thanks for you input fellas, it's good reassurance! I did a box test today, its pretty impressive you can just read the Mils, make the adjustment and be on target.
Thanks for you input fellas, it's good reassurance! I did a box test today, its pretty impressive you can just read the Mils, make the adjustment and be on target.
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As it has been stated all the Schmidt and Bender's, even the MTC turrets go .4 - .5 of a mil below the zero. I actually wish it would go 1 - 1.5 mil below the zero so I could dial for a 90 degree side prone shot. Other than that, S&B makes a great scope, I actually own 5 of the 5 - 25 mil/mil.
As it has been stated all the Schmidt and Bender's, even the MTC turrets go .4 - .5 of a mil below the zero. I actually wish it would go 1 - 1.5 mil below the zero so I could dial for a 90 degree side prone shot. Other than that, S&B makes a great scope, I actually own 5 of the 5 - 25 mil/mil.
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: PGS</div><div class="ubbcode-body">HC, Is that 6X42 S&B a 1" tube? Cool looking scope. </div></div>
That scope belongs to johnlee. I'm pretty sure it's a 26mm tube. It's the PM 6x42 that was used on the L96 rifles:
It has the cool old school quick detach AI mount:
and a weird 3-post reticle:
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: bwo6.5</div><div class="ubbcode-body">As it has been stated all the Schmidt and Bender's, even the MTC turrets go .4 - .5 of a mil below the zero. I actually wish it would go 1 - 1.5 mil below the zero so I could dial for a 90 degree side prone shot. Other than that, S&B makes a great scope, I actually own 5 of the 5 - 25 mil/mil. </div></div>
I am so curious to feel this MTC turret. I wonder if it's something I'd want.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: PGS</div><div class="ubbcode-body">HC, Is that 6X42 S&B a 1" tube? Cool looking scope. </div></div>
That scope belongs to johnlee. I'm pretty sure it's a 26mm tube. It's the PM 6x42 that was used on the L96 rifles:
It has the cool old school quick detach AI mount:
and a weird 3-post reticle:
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: bwo6.5</div><div class="ubbcode-body">As it has been stated all the Schmidt and Bender's, even the MTC turrets go .4 - .5 of a mil below the zero. I actually wish it would go 1 - 1.5 mil below the zero so I could dial for a 90 degree side prone shot. Other than that, S&B makes a great scope, I actually own 5 of the 5 - 25 mil/mil. </div></div>
I am so curious to feel this MTC turret. I wonder if it's something I'd want.
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My 5-25 Mil/Mil goes .6 Mil below zero. I'm glad it's not any amount plus a half-click. I think that would bother me. Maybe I'm just too picky.
My 5-25 Mil/Mil goes .6 Mil below zero. I'm glad it's not any amount plus a half-click. I think that would bother me. Maybe I'm just too picky.
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I'm friggin jelous, I want one of those greenies for an L96A1 I'm never going to find!
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Ho Chung</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: PGS</div><div class="ubbcode-body">HC, Is that 6X42 S&B a 1" tube? Cool looking scope. </div></div>
That scope belongs to johnlee. I'm pretty sure it's a 26mm tube. It's the PM 6x42 that was used on the L96 rifles:
and a weird 3-post reticle:
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I'm friggin jelous, I want one of those greenies for an L96A1 I'm never going to find!
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Ho Chung</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: PGS</div><div class="ubbcode-body">HC, Is that 6X42 S&B a 1" tube? Cool looking scope. </div></div>
That scope belongs to johnlee. I'm pretty sure it's a 26mm tube. It's the PM 6x42 that was used on the L96 rifles:
and a weird 3-post reticle:
</div></div>
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: sniperaviator</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Ja, der Schmidt und Bender sind ein gutes Gewehr-Spielraum. </div></div>
Ditto!, I think
(My Grandma would be dissapointed in my lack of Deutch speak)
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: sniperaviator</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Ja, der Schmidt und Bender sind ein gutes Gewehr-Spielraum. </div></div>
Ditto!, I think
(My Grandma would be dissapointed in my lack of Deutch speak)
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You can get the AI engraved knobs as a spare /replacement part (Part No 307-106 is for windage....not sure about the elevation!)
And yes......my PMII 3-12x50 also has 4 and a half clicks below 0
and YES...I'm loving that green one too
That "wierd 3 post reticule" is the old British sniper style reticule from WW2 days - I have one in my 1944 No32 Scope for the Enfield No4T! The SA80 has a similar centre post but without the horizontal wire for levelling......
You can get the AI engraved knobs as a spare /replacement part (Part No 307-106 is for windage....not sure about the elevation!)
And yes......my PMII 3-12x50 also has 4 and a half clicks below 0
and YES...I'm loving that green one too
That "wierd 3 post reticule" is the old British sniper style reticule from WW2 days - I have one in my 1944 No32 Scope for the Enfield No4T! The SA80 has a similar centre post but without the horizontal wire for levelling......
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From AI - have a look at the accesories page on the website under the scopes and mounts section:
http://www.accuracyinternational.com/accessories.php
I've just ordered the windage one from Graeme at Sporting Services as I'm refurbing my 6yr old PMII.
From AI - have a look at the accesories page on the website under the scopes and mounts section:
http://www.accuracyinternational.com/accessories.php
I've just ordered the windage one from Graeme at Sporting Services as I'm refurbing my 6yr old PMII.
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That is a reticle nr 2, a not uncommon reticle in mainland Europe,
not that tactical perhaps.
Nice selection of scopes.
/Best regards Chris
That is a reticle nr 2, a not uncommon reticle in mainland Europe,
not that tactical perhaps.
Nice selection of scopes.
/Best regards Chris
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Ho Chung, you are missing two knobs on you S&B 3X12X50. It obviously is not a lit reticle but I thought all S&B variables had parallax knobs.
Ho Chung, you are missing two knobs on you S&B 3X12X50. It obviously is not a lit reticle but I thought all S&B variables had parallax knobs.
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My 3-12x50 is a newer model, and it has the parallax knob.
This one is an older one, and does not have the parallax knob:
So there were different models available thru the years.
My 3-12x50 is a newer model, and it has the parallax knob.
This one is an older one, and does not have the parallax knob:
So there were different models available thru the years.
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: TDECK</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Ho Chung, you are missing two knobs on you S&B 3X12X50. It obviously is not a lit reticle but I thought all S&B variables had parallax knobs.</div></div>
not the lower mag ones
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: TDECK</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Ho Chung, you are missing two knobs on you S&B 3X12X50. It obviously is not a lit reticle but I thought all S&B variables had parallax knobs.</div></div>
not the lower mag ones
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: BasraBoy</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I always thought variable parallax was an option? </div></div>
Your right
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: BasraBoy</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I always thought variable parallax was an option? </div></div>
Your right
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That is the first S&B variable I have seen without the parallax adjustment. I assumed all variable S&B had this adjustment. This must be a very early PMII, very cool.
That is the first S&B variable I have seen without the parallax adjustment. I assumed all variable S&B had this adjustment. This must be a very early PMII, very cool.
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Maybe a stupid ?? but do the old 6x42 pm 1 scopes with BDC have paralax ajdust? Is it kinda like the Unertl 10x needing a special wrench or something?
Anyone know where I can find an old dirty L96 for cheap?
Maybe a stupid ?? but do the old 6x42 pm 1 scopes with BDC have paralax ajdust? Is it kinda like the Unertl 10x needing a special wrench or something?
Anyone know where I can find an old dirty L96 for cheap?
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: TDECK</div><div class="ubbcode-body">That is the first S&B variable I have seen without the parallax adjustment. I assumed all variable S&B had this adjustment. This must be a very early PMII, very cool. </div></div>
You can buy as many as you want new from the factory right now. Parallax always was and always will be an option on most pmII's, there's just not many around.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: TDECK</div><div class="ubbcode-body">That is the first S&B variable I have seen without the parallax adjustment. I assumed all variable S&B had this adjustment. This must be a very early PMII, very cool. </div></div>
You can buy as many as you want new from the factory right now. Parallax always was and always will be an option on most pmII's, there's just not many around.
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: pre64WINmarksman</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Maybe a stupid ?? but do the old 6x42 pm 1 scopes with BDC have paralax ajdust? Is it kinda like the Unertl 10x needing a special wrench or something?
Anyone know where I can find an old dirty L96 for cheap? </div></div>
I think you could send the scope to Schmidt & Bender and ask them to change your parallax setting from 300 m to whatever you'd like.
I don't think the older Schmidts have the same type of parallax adjustment Unertls had... user/tool adjustable.
Check out eBay. The last one I saw went for about $1500 scope only. and it was beat to shit.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: pre64WINmarksman</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Maybe a stupid ?? but do the old 6x42 pm 1 scopes with BDC have paralax ajdust? Is it kinda like the Unertl 10x needing a special wrench or something?
Anyone know where I can find an old dirty L96 for cheap? </div></div>
I think you could send the scope to Schmidt & Bender and ask them to change your parallax setting from 300 m to whatever you'd like.
I don't think the older Schmidts have the same type of parallax adjustment Unertls had... user/tool adjustable.
Check out eBay. The last one I saw went for about $1500 scope only. and it was beat to shit.
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From top: 4-16x50, 3-12x50 and 10x42:
from left: 10x42, 3-12x50 (this is the one with parallax) and 4-16x50:
I test mounted the 4-16 on my rifle to see how it looked:
I thought it was too big, so I went back to the 3-12:
From top: 4-16x50, 3-12x50 and 10x42:
from left: 10x42, 3-12x50 (this is the one with parallax) and 4-16x50:
I test mounted the 4-16 on my rifle to see how it looked:
I thought it was too big, so I went back to the 3-12:
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I've got a twin to the middle scope(3-12X50) with AI turrets. It's one of my favorites. The coating on the objective lens is a bright greenish color. Anyone know the significance of that?
I've got a twin to the middle scope(3-12X50) with AI turrets. It's one of my favorites. The coating on the objective lens is a bright greenish color. Anyone know the significance of that?
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Ho Chung</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: pre64WINmarksman</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Maybe a stupid ?? but do the old 6x42 pm 1 scopes with BDC have paralax ajdust? Is it kinda like the Unertl 10x needing a special wrench or something?
Anyone know where I can find an old dirty L96 for cheap? </div></div>
I think you could send the scope to Schmidt & Bender and ask them to change your parallax setting from 300 m to whatever you'd like.
I don't think the older Schmidts have the same type of parallax adjustment Unertls had... user/tool adjustable.
Check out eBay. The last one I saw went for about $1500 scope only. and it was beat to shit.
</div></div>
A couple years ago gunbroker had a green 6x42 for $1100. It was used but in great condition, I should not have passed it up!
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Ho Chung</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: pre64WINmarksman</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Maybe a stupid ?? but do the old 6x42 pm 1 scopes with BDC have paralax ajdust? Is it kinda like the Unertl 10x needing a special wrench or something?
Anyone know where I can find an old dirty L96 for cheap? </div></div>
I think you could send the scope to Schmidt & Bender and ask them to change your parallax setting from 300 m to whatever you'd like.
I don't think the older Schmidts have the same type of parallax adjustment Unertls had... user/tool adjustable.
Check out eBay. The last one I saw went for about $1500 scope only. and it was beat to shit.
</div></div>
A couple years ago gunbroker had a green 6x42 for $1100. It was used but in great condition, I should not have passed it up!
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that's how it goes. When you see something you WANT, get it. A lot of us still fall in the justification mode, and never get what we want. only what we need.
that's how it goes. When you see something you WANT, get it. A lot of us still fall in the justification mode, and never get what we want. only what we need.
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: PGS</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I've got a twin to the middle scope(3-12X50) with AI turrets. It's one of my favorites. The coating on the objective lens is a bright greenish color. Anyone know the significance of that? </div></div>
Military version with different lens coating at a guess. Something to do with lasers?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: PGS</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I've got a twin to the middle scope(3-12X50) with AI turrets. It's one of my favorites. The coating on the objective lens is a bright greenish color. Anyone know the significance of that? </div></div>
Military version with different lens coating at a guess. Something to do with lasers?
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Bevan</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: PGS</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I've got a twin to the middle scope(3-12X50) with AI turrets. It's one of my favorites. The coating on the objective lens is a bright greenish color. Anyone know the significance of that? </div></div>
Military version with different lens coating at a guess. Something to do with lasers? </div></div>
Yea, according to Stacey, It's a military coating to protect your eyes from lasers. Incidentally it slightly degrades the image color. Of the few military scopes I have looked through they had a slight greenish/yellow tint to them and were darker when compared side by side to a commercial S&B scope.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Bevan</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: PGS</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I've got a twin to the middle scope(3-12X50) with AI turrets. It's one of my favorites. The coating on the objective lens is a bright greenish color. Anyone know the significance of that? </div></div>
Military version with different lens coating at a guess. Something to do with lasers? </div></div>
Yea, according to Stacey, It's a military coating to protect your eyes from lasers. Incidentally it slightly degrades the image color. Of the few military scopes I have looked through they had a slight greenish/yellow tint to them and were darker when compared side by side to a commercial S&B scope.
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My 10x42 has the greenish color reflected by the coatings:
The image through my scope looks more "brown" to my eyes than commercial Schmidt & Benders. It's a very subtle difference and one usually has to have two Schmidt & Benders side by side to tell any difference. But there is a slight difference.
My 10x42 has the greenish color reflected by the coatings:
The image through my scope looks more "brown" to my eyes than commercial Schmidt & Benders. It's a very subtle difference and one usually has to have two Schmidt & Benders side by side to tell any difference. But there is a slight difference.
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Does anybody know if the 3-20 will have a true zero stop, or the one that clicks .6 mil or so below?
Chris
Does anybody know if the 3-20 will have a true zero stop, or the one that clicks .6 mil or so below?
Chris
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: PGS</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I've got a twin to the middle scope(3-12X50) with AI turrets. It's one of my favorites. The coating on the objective lens is a bright greenish color. Anyone know the significance of that? </div></div>
Does it look like this:
?
If yes, then it means you got the good shit.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: PGS</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I've got a twin to the middle scope(3-12X50) with AI turrets. It's one of my favorites. The coating on the objective lens is a bright greenish color. Anyone know the significance of that? </div></div>
Does it look like this:
?
If yes, then it means you got the good shit.
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Ho Chung</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
I test mounted the 4-16 on my rifle to see how it looked:
I thought it was too big, so I went back to the 3-12:
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That aint too big in my opinion! Mine looks just great with the 5-25 and USO ARD mounted in my opinion!
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Ho Chung</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
I test mounted the 4-16 on my rifle to see how it looked:
I thought it was too big, so I went back to the 3-12:
That aint too big in my opinion! Mine looks just great with the 5-25 and USO ARD mounted in my opinion!
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: cazorp</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Ho Chung</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
I test mounted the 4-16 on my rifle to see how it looked:
I thought it was too big, so I went back to the 3-12:
</div></div>
That aint too big in my opinion! Mine looks just great with the 5-25 and USO ARD mounted in my opinion!
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+1 Go big or go home! I would rather have the extra 13 power and not have to use it than need more power and not have it.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: cazorp</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Ho Chung</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
I test mounted the 4-16 on my rifle to see how it looked:
I thought it was too big, so I went back to the 3-12:
That aint too big in my opinion! Mine looks just great with the 5-25 and USO ARD mounted in my opinion!
+1 Go big or go home! I would rather have the extra 13 power and not have to use it than need more power and not have it.
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