Rifle Scopes Sako meet vortex

[TurboTrout]

Hey all

I’m trying to mate my PST II 3-15 to my Sako P94S.

Id like 20-30MOA built in, I really want a straight dovetail mount vs a middle man conversion to pic rail

ideally also something that looks good, it’s going on a classic after all

Rifle will be a open class NRL22 and the little brother to my 308 PRS rifle.

Suggestion on the best ring for the job?

Thanks!

 

[M4guru]

Those have an 11mm rail if I recall. Spuhr for AI or AI 11mm mounts would do the trick. The Spuhr Hunting line for AI rails would be my choice, but I think they only do M1913 and Tikka spec in those mounts. I know they do the standard style mounts though. Super neat gun by the way.

 

[TurboTrout]

Those have an 11mm rail if I recall. Spuhr for AI or AI 11mm mounts would do the trick. The Spuhr Hunting line for AI rails would be my choice, but I think they only do M1913 and Tikka spec in those mounts. I know they do the standard style mounts though. Super neat gun by the way.

I would like spuhr, but the mono mount would cover most of my port, I sent a message asking about the individual rings and if they have any MOA.

Normally Burris wouldn’t be on my list, but are these any good and would they work?

https://www.amazon.com/Burris-Optics-Signature-Rings-Self-Centering/dp/B00U1AVIYQ?th=1&psc=1

 

[beetroot]

I would like spuhr, but the mono mount would cover most of my port, I sent a message asking about the individual rings and if they have any MOA.

Normally Burris wouldn’t be on my list, but are these any good and would they work?

https://www.amazon.com/Burris-Optics-Signature-Rings-Self-Centering/dp/B00U1AVIYQ?th=1&psc=1

Burris rings are good, I've used XTR and Zee and both are great.

I think you would be better served with a rail rather than direct mount rings.
I've used all manner of scope rings and mounts but have ultimately ended up with pic rails on everything as it make life so much simpler when you want to switch scopes around or try something different.

DIP make a rail that will fit your rifle, that would be my choice. I have their rails on a Tikka T1x and CZ 452 and they are excellent.

 

[TurboTrout]

Burris rings are good, I've used XTR and Zee and both are great.

I think you would be better served with a rail rather than direct mount rings.
I've used all manner of scope rings and mounts but have ultimately ended up with pic rails on everything as it make life so much simpler when you want to switch scopes around or try something different.

DIP make a rail that will fit your rifle, that would be my choice. I have their rails on a Tikka T1x and CZ 452 and they are excellent.

I have the DIP, I just am not a fan of how it attaches to the rifle, it’s also a additional part, and I never have taken a optic off shy of a freak repair or something

What were the draw backs to the Burris? Did the inserts ever shift on you?l

Looks like Sako makes their own rings with a “opti lock” base thing, I don’t see any MOA ones however, interesting design though

base

Sako Optilock 11MM Rimfire Scope Base Set, Blued

This Sako Optilock scope base set will fit any Sako rimfire rifle which utilizes an 11MM dovetail mounting system.

www.berettausa.com

Ring

Sako & Tikka Opti-Lock Rings - Blued

OPTILOCK™ scope mount rings and bases are precisely machined out of solid steel to ensure perfect mating with our integral receiver scope mount rails and optimal scope alignment.

www.berettausa.com

 

[beetroot]

I have the DIP, I just am not a fan of how it attaches to the rifle, it’s also a additional part, and I never have taken a optic off shy of a freak repair or something

What were the draw backs to the Burris? Did the inserts ever shift on you?l

No real draw backs with the Burris rings, the inserts don't move at all.
The Signature Zee rings are a little annoying to remove/reinstall as the little bendy clampy bit often needs to be bent out with a screw driver (in my experience) even if it doesn't need bending they don't ever seem to slide off a rail when still attached to a scope.
The XTR Signature rings are better in that regard, only downside is the lowest height they come in is 1".

The 11mm dovetail Signature Zee rings would be a good choice if you don't intend to switch scopes around at all.

 

[TurboTrout]

No real draw backs with the Burris rings, the inserts don't move at all.
The Signature Zee rings are a little annoying to remove/reinstall as the little bendy clampy bit often needs to be bent out with a screw driver (in my experience) even if it doesn't need bending they don't ever seem to slide off a rail when still attached to a scope.
The XTR Signature rings are better in that regard, only downside is the lowest height they come in is 1".

The 11mm dovetail Signature Zee rings would be a good choice if you don't intend to switch scopes around at all.

Any reason they are half the price of the already inexpensive XTR?

I love a good deal, but is there anything I’m not getting with the zee?

Any thoughts on a good height for a PST G2 3-15, it’s a 44mm objective, half of that is 0.87 inches according to google.

 

[ToddM]

The Signature zee rings always look scary to me because the area on one side of the clamp that basically flexes to tighten the ring, and they only have a single screw on each side of the ring tops, but I have to admit I've used them for years and never had an issue, and you never hear anything bad about them. The XTR version are much more beefy, ring inserts are thicker/more solid, but they are surprisingly bulky/heavy and I believe they are pic rail only, no direct dovetail mount option.

I don't think Spuhr does MOA rise in any of their hunting mounts, which is too bad because I'd happily use them as opposed to their bigger mounts. They just look cleaner to me, and the rings are narrower allowing for more scope adjustment, and I don't need all the attachment points. Maybe Spuhr knows that if they offered MOA rise in their $220 hunting mounts, many would not buy their $450 mounts

I think you could also use the direct mount Sako TRG 3 ring scope mounts, but the prices on them are pretty steep, the only thing that might conflict is I think there's a recoil lug on the TRG mounts and I'm not sure if it's removable.

Sako also has a dovetail clamp on pic rail but I don't think it has any MOA rise in it but it might have the same recoil lug issue. As you said I don't think any of the 2 piece optilok bases have MOA rise in them. That said, tens of thousands of shooters are using pic rails and scope mounts and not having issues. So my "reduce any possible issue" brain agrees with one less component being good, in this case I don't think there's much risk if you wanted to go with rail/ring combo. If you were really worried about it you can bed/epoxy the rail to the gun, both Sako TRG and AI do this.

EGW makes a 11mm dovetail clamp on pic rail with 20MOA rise, but I can understand wanting to stay away from a rail.

HD CZ 452, 453, 455, 511, 512 For 11mm Picatinny Rail 20 MOA

Save 10% on a set of Keystone Rings with this rail and get free 2-Day shipping!* Mounting Hardware is Included This mount fits:CZ 452CZ 453CZ 455CZ 511CZ 512Sako Finnfire M94 S If you aren't sure which dovetail you have, check out our article on measuring your dovetail here. *The Keystone Ring...

www.egwguns.com

AI also has reasonable priced dovetail mounts with rise in them that use reducers for 30mm tubes, again no idea on a possible recoil lug interference. They offer 18, 28, and 45 MOA rise versions.

 

[TurboTrout]

The Signature zee rings always look scary to me because the area on one side of the clamp that basically flexes to tighten the ring, and they only have a single screw on each side of the ring tops, but I have to admit I've used them for years and never had an issue, and you never hear anything bad about them. The XTR version are much more beefy, ring inserts are thicker/more solid, but they are surprisingly bulky/heavy and I believe they are pic rail only, no direct dovetail mount option.

I don't think Spuhr does MOA rise in any of their hunting mounts, which is too bad because I'd happily use them as opposed to their bigger mounts. They just look cleaner to me, and the rings are narrower allowing for more scope adjustment, and I don't need all the attachment points. Maybe Spuhr knows that if they offered MOA rise in their $220 hunting mounts, many would not buy their $450 mounts

I think you could also use the direct mount Sako TRG 3 ring scope mounts, but the prices on them are pretty steep, the only thing that might conflict is I think there's a recoil lug on the TRG mounts and I'm not sure if it's removable.

Sako also has a dovetail clamp on pic rail but I don't think it has any MOA rise in it but it might have the same recoil lug issue. As you said I don't think any of the 2 piece optilok bases have MOA rise in them. That said, tens of thousands of shooters are using pic rails and scope mounts and not having issues. So my "reduce any possible issue" brain agrees with one less component being good, in this case I don't think there's much risk if you wanted to go with rail/ring combo. If you were really worried about it you can bed/epoxy the rail to the gun, both Sako TRG and AI do this.

EGW makes a 11mm dovetail clamp on pic rail with 20MOA rise, but I can understand wanting to stay away from a rail.

HD CZ 452, 453, 455, 511, 512 For 11mm Picatinny Rail 20 MOA

Save 10% on a set of Keystone Rings with this rail and get free 2-Day shipping!* Mounting Hardware is Included This mount fits:CZ 452CZ 453CZ 455CZ 511CZ 512Sako Finnfire M94 S If you aren't sure which dovetail you have, check out our article on measuring your dovetail here. *The Keystone Ring...

www.egwguns.com

AI also has reasonable priced dovetail mounts with rise in them that use reducers for 30mm tubes, again no idea on a possible recoil lug interference. They offer 18, 28, and 45 MOA rise versions.

I called, none of them have the trifecta, Sako rimfire mount + 30mm tube + MOA


I looked into the Sako line, I also called Burris, guess Burris doesn’t have any for a 11mm rail with a 30mm tube.


Kelbly seemed like a good option, they have a “rimfire” dovetail option

however I was told
“The scope rings with 25 MOA would have to be spaced at 5.900” from front of front ring to back of back ring to not put stress on scope.”

I’m trying to picture this, wouldn’t changing the spacing not stress the scope as much as it would just change the MOA offset?

30mm - 25 MOA Rings - Kelbly Rifles

Video Ring Dimensions

www.kelbly.com

 

[ToddM]

No, while counter intuitive at first thought, I think that makes sense. I have to believe they are machining an angle to the ring/scope tube interface, so there's a "sweet spot" of distance between the rings where the angles machined into the rings matches the tube at 25 MOA, if you go significantly shorter/longer it changes how much contact area the rings have. There's only one distance that works for the angle machined into the rings, any other distance and you still haven't changed the angle machined into the rings so you're going to get less ring/tube contact creating a stress riser. My guess is this is why you almost never see individual machined rings with MOA built into them, it's easy to do in a one piece mount because the distance is fixed.

With the burris signature style rings ring distance impacts the effective MOA, the instructions even give some examples of this, but the plastic inserts and ring interface are rounded are allowed to rotate some in the rings so they don't have that issue.

 

[wapiti16b]

I have a SAKO AV in 300WM and had a 0 degree Pic rail installed over the SAKO system with ARC M-10 Rings for a hunting rifle and have had ZERO problems ! fits my needs to a T !