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Sako Quad HELP

crossgun

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I have a great Sako Quad with a Rock barrel that was chambered and installed by Neil Waltz. Has all the DIP stuff and sits in a McMill A5. It is a one hole tac driver! The problem is its pretty much a single shot. I can only load a few rounds in either my 5 or 10 round mags. Load any mag beyond halfway and the bullets go crushing into the chamber if they dont get caught below.

Is anyone running a Quad without mag feeding issues? What the trick to getting the factory $$$ mags to run?
 
PRDRIVER

Any difference in the mags? Something about the follower maybe? I tried the cut coil thing and NO luck. Pretty sure nothing needs tweaked.

As you load the mags, you can see the angle the rounds sit on the next round change as you top it off. SAKO did a shit job with the mags
 
I have a great Sako Quad with a Rock barrel that was chambered and installed by Neil Waltz. Has all the DIP stuff and sits in a McMill A5. It is a one hole tac driver! The problem is its pretty much a single shot. I can only load a few rounds in either my 5 or 10 round mags. Load any mag beyond halfway and the bullets go crushing into the chamber if they dont get caught below.

Is anyone running a Quad without mag feeding issues? What the trick to getting the factory $$$ mags to run?

What caliber are you talking about? From what I've read, people rarely have problems with 5-rounders in .22LR - the problems seem to mushroom when trying to load more than 7 (seven) rounds in the 10-rounders. Since you mentioned you're having problems with both 5-round and 10-round mags (so I surmise .22LR), maybe your chamber is a little too tight. The "Bentz" is a very popular .22LR chamber and is a little tight too, but other than having very bad luck with magazines it sounds like something else may be going on with your Quad.

Part of the problem is that the Quad is designed to accommodate four (4) different calibers using a single magazine design, and as such there's no feed ramp to help chamber the slightly blunt noses of .22 RF cartridges, resulting in gouging of the projectile on the edge of the chamber on non-factory barrels (factory Quad .22LR barrels have a bevel on the barrel to help feed the .22LR). Despite my knowledge of the Quad's issues when feeding .22LR into custom barrels, I acquired a like new euroOptic Sako Quad Special Edition (with .22LR Lilja barrel) last year. I'd never owned a Quad with a factory barrel, nor one with a .22LR Lilja barrel with a Bentz chamber, and wanted more info on how much I should bevel the chamber so PM'ed "Kiba/KibaSH here and asked for his advice (I'd read Kiba's reply to someone who was having feeding issues with his .22LR Quad, and Kiba had posted a photo of the bevel he performed to the breech of a custom .22LR Quad barrel).

Obviously, you don't want to remove too much material at the breech, lest you encourage a case rupture due to an un-supported case. As I didn't want to remove too much metal at a time (you can take metal away but you can't put it back), it took me several tries to get the bevel just right. This was a PITA, because I have to remove the scope every time I pull the barrel, but I didn't want to ruin a $500.00 barrel by rushing it. Below is a photo of the finished bevel I performed on my Lilja .22LR Lilja barrel. I used a small, very fine Cratex cone to bevel the breech between 8 and 4 'O Clock, then polished it a bit with Flitz. The reflection makes the bevel appear deeper than it is, which is about .015". I have 10 (ten) .22LR Quad mags - seven (7) 10-rounders and three (3) 5-rounders, and loaded to capacity, all of them feed very smoothly without gouging the projectile and/or hanging-up a round. I haven't used any of my 5-rounders since I beveled the breech, and I actually traded two of my 5-rounders for 10-rounders.

Bevel on the breech of my .22LR Lilja Sako Quad barrel:




Keith
 
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Looks like beveling will be in my future at this point. Thanks

No problem, crossgun. Something else I thought of after my first reply to you is that (and you may know this), but how fast you run the bolt can also affect feeding. For instance, I thought that everything would be all Hunky-dory after my initial beveling job. Not. I don't constantly slam the bolt hard & fast, but I don't want to baby the bolt either, and I noticed that the faster I ran the bolt, the greater the chance that I'd shave some lead (which can't be good for accuracy or consistency). This is another reason it took me multiple beveling jobs (probably four or five steps total), before I was satisfied. I would remove the scope, pull the barrel, increase the bevel, polish it, clean the barrel, re-install the barrel, then go to the range so I could check for shaving while slam-feeding with live ammo. What a PITA. If I wasn't quite satisfied, I'd repeat the procedure.

However, I finally achieved a happy medium where I can work the bolt quickly without shaving a bunch of lead off the bottom of the projectile. Remember you can take metal away, but you can't put it back. All of that said, to quote djdilliodon above, "I'd have the smith who built it fix it".

One final thing that may seem obvious but that's worth mentioning is that way the bullets sit in the mag can also affect feeding - maybe that's the reason, or part of the reason, that you're having problems with 5-round mags as well as the 10-rounders. The Quad mags are a little sensitive, and even a slight misalignment of a .22LR in the mag can cause a feeding problem. Therefore, be sure to give each mag a little tap to settle the rounds nice & square prior to insertion into the magazine well. Hope this helps and good luck.


Keith
 
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PRDRIVER

Any difference in the mags? Something about the follower maybe? I tried the cut coil thing and NO luck. Pretty sure nothing needs tweaked.

As you load the mags, you can see the angle the rounds sit on the next round change as you top it off. SAKO did a shit job with the mags



Visually, I cannot see a difference in the magazines. I have (3) 5 round magazines that work perfectly. The first (2) 10 rounders that I purchased had issues. If you loaded more than 6-7 in them, they would generally jam up an not feed into the chamber.

I purchased a tikka rifle last year and got a rebate on it, which I used to buy (4) 10 round magazines from beretta. All of which work perfectly. I plan on sending back my two 10 round magazines that are having feeding issues for replacement.