So I’m confused and torn. I live in NJ so access to get to shoot 1000+ yards consistently is rare. I’d love to get to shoot a mile but haven’t as of yet. Access to 600-1000yards is much easier. I’m in love with the trg42ai (300 WM) but not sure if I’ll ever get to really test it out. Should I save the money and just get a trg22ai in .308? What’s the distance difference capabilities?
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This is your first post, so it would be more constructive to get more info on your background. If this is your N+1 rirfle, not your first/only etc...just get whatever you want. Nobody cares but you (and your accountant/wife/SO etc). The rifles are great rifles, just not cheap to run.
So I have currently a Daniel defense delta 5 pro in 6.5 creedmoor. I enjoy it but the bolt action is horrible. I have a crown precision ar10 in 6.5 creedmoor as well. I want to eventually buy some property so I can have my own range for 1000 yards or so but currently shooting at other ranges that are 200-600 yards.
Get a used 22 in .308. Shoot cases of ammo through it. Sell it for what you paid. Decide then.
300 WM/NM are great calibers but they don't make sense at 100-400 yards, which is what you will usually be shooting at. You can take .308 to 1000, and you will pay 1/2 or 1/3 per shot.
300 WM/NM are great calibers but they don't make sense at 100-400 yards, which is what you will usually be shooting at. You can take .308 to 1000, and you will pay 1/2 or 1/3 per shot.
Obviously with the factory 22A1 you'll be limited to .308 (I love that cartridge) or overlapping with another 6.5 CM. You can have other barrel spun up by a competent gunsmith, but then you're talking another ~$1K.
It makes sense in that regard to get the 42A1 in .300WM. However, if you aren't consistently shooting past a thousand yards that cartridge is overkill. You can shoot the smaller cartridges for half the price, and half the punishment. Even at 650 yards, the difference in bullet drop between a 300 Win Mag and a 6 Creedmoor is going to be almost nothing. At closer ranges you'll really be punishing steel with the 300 too.
It makes sense in that regard to get the 42A1 in .300WM. However, if you aren't consistently shooting past a thousand yards that cartridge is overkill. You can shoot the smaller cartridges for half the price, and half the punishment. Even at 650 yards, the difference in bullet drop between a 300 Win Mag and a 6 Creedmoor is going to be almost nothing. At closer ranges you'll really be punishing steel with the 300 too.
Moving from a Delta Pro to the TRG (or AI) is going to be night and day regarding the feel of the action. I'd do that upgrade in a heartbeat if I had the money and desire.
AIs that will take magnum cartridges were pretty expensive, and are only going up. You could almost do the opposite and get an AI AT in 6, 6.5, or .308 (still some for sale at places like Euro Optic and Mile High...maybe others) for a touch less than a 22A1. Then do the 42A1 down the road. Big bonus for the ease of barrel swaps in the AI.
I have an AT-X, and while I have "no regerts", it will be my last AI. Nothing detrimental, I just prefer other things.
AIs that will take magnum cartridges were pretty expensive, and are only going up. You could almost do the opposite and get an AI AT in 6, 6.5, or .308 (still some for sale at places like Euro Optic and Mile High...maybe others) for a touch less than a 22A1. Then do the 42A1 down the road. Big bonus for the ease of barrel swaps in the AI.
I have an AT-X, and while I have "no regerts", it will be my last AI. Nothing detrimental, I just prefer other things.
What part of jersey? I am an hour south of Philly and we have a spot to go to 1200. You also have the giesslle range that has monthly matches. Well worth it. Look up war rifles on practiscore.
For the east coast anything bigger than a 6.5cm is a complete waste of money. You can shoot to 13-1400 with a 6BR or Dasher.
Also, the TRGs are horrible value. I took a class with all the berreta folks last year and they all had them. Very dated designs poorly suited to modern day shooting. The triggers are also pretty bad. Even worse than AI which I am no fan of. I shot every one of their trg22a1s and they all felt like dogshit.
For less money you could have a local like Kurt Ives ( KI precision) or Dan (360 Precision) spin you up a 6 creed or Dasher that will shoot better than any factory gun. It will be cheaper, more accurate, more reliable and much easier to shoot.
If you decide to get Into LR shooting there are a ton of guys local who would take you under their wing.
For the east coast anything bigger than a 6.5cm is a complete waste of money. You can shoot to 13-1400 with a 6BR or Dasher.
Also, the TRGs are horrible value. I took a class with all the berreta folks last year and they all had them. Very dated designs poorly suited to modern day shooting. The triggers are also pretty bad. Even worse than AI which I am no fan of. I shot every one of their trg22a1s and they all felt like dogshit.
For less money you could have a local like Kurt Ives ( KI precision) or Dan (360 Precision) spin you up a 6 creed or Dasher that will shoot better than any factory gun. It will be cheaper, more accurate, more reliable and much easier to shoot.
If you decide to get Into LR shooting there are a ton of guys local who would take you under their wing.
That is probably the best factory two stage bolt gun trigger out there, better than any R700 pattern. I agree they’re poor value, though. You’re not striking a nerve, you’re just loud and wrong.
Its mushy as fuck. And with the giant button feels unlike any other trigger out there.
Whats funny is hearing all the Beretta folks gash over how great their Sako rifles are on day 1.
By day 4 they were all fucking silent and were asking us what we would do to improve them. They are still a gun stuck in the 90s. Asking Phil, Caylen and Me how we can fix this gun. LOL.
-No flat forend for positional shooting.
-Trigger is shit. Too heavy, too mushy (this was across 4 sample guns)
-Too much wobble in folder
-Retarded QD cup thingy that makes it hard for Lefties to shoot the gun
-Poor forend design. Another AR copy. Mlock mounted bipods will get ripped off under heavy recoil.
-Poor bag rider design. Needs longer surface area to not get sucked into rear bags.
Was shooting the new SAKO match ammo in 6.5cm and .308. Not great accuracy. Certainly not as good as their sister company (Beretta now owns RUAG which owns Norma)'s .
The Tikka Tac A1 with all of ITS shortcomings, is a better long range precision rifle than the TRG, at a fraction of the price.
Everyones experience is different, everyone is looking for something particular in their rifle that suits their personal needs. Only a fool would tell you that "a TRG sucks". While it might not work for their particular needs, it certainly doesn't suck. And when anyone tells you the TRG triggers "suck and are mushy", I would recommend you take everything they say from there on with a healthy grain of salt. At least until they work through their anger issues...
This is my personal opinion, yours may vary; TRG's are excellent rifles, far batter then any other factory rifle out there with possibly the exception of AI's but that is subjective. TRG triggers are right up there with the best and probably are the best of any factory rifle. TRG22/42 stocks are very comfortable (in my personal experience) and the rifles are insanely accurate for a factory rifle, right up there with most custom build rifles. TRG bipod is the best of any bipod I ever had the pleasure of using. This is my personal experience from owning both TRG's and AI's as well as a variety of other triggers in other rifles.
Unfortunately nothing is only good. TRG magazines are severely overpriced and can be finicky feeding the first round (or 2) and the design of the stock on the older TRG22/42 , which by the way is no longer available in the US, could be perceived as outdated, hence their newer chassis model that is now available. In short I believe TRG, new or old are indeed not a "amazing value" and should be considerably cheaper then what they currently go for. But the fact they aren't, specifically referencing the used market, tells its own story. Having said all that, they wont disappoint either. And if you find a slightly used one for a decent deal, you surely wont regret it.
With regards to 300WM. Consider this; 6.5 Creedmoor Match ammo is 1/3 of the price, 1/2 the recoil and 3 times the barrel life while comfortably getting you out to the longest distance you can find on the East coast. Its readily available from a multitude of manufacturers in a large variety allowing you to easily find the one you and your rifle like. Same is more or less true for 308. Unless you NEED 300WM, I suggest you go with 6.5 Creedmoor or 308 and shoot a lot.
Hope this helps
This is my personal opinion, yours may vary; TRG's are excellent rifles, far batter then any other factory rifle out there with possibly the exception of AI's but that is subjective. TRG triggers are right up there with the best and probably are the best of any factory rifle. TRG22/42 stocks are very comfortable (in my personal experience) and the rifles are insanely accurate for a factory rifle, right up there with most custom build rifles. TRG bipod is the best of any bipod I ever had the pleasure of using. This is my personal experience from owning both TRG's and AI's as well as a variety of other triggers in other rifles.
Unfortunately nothing is only good. TRG magazines are severely overpriced and can be finicky feeding the first round (or 2) and the design of the stock on the older TRG22/42 , which by the way is no longer available in the US, could be perceived as outdated, hence their newer chassis model that is now available. In short I believe TRG, new or old are indeed not a "amazing value" and should be considerably cheaper then what they currently go for. But the fact they aren't, specifically referencing the used market, tells its own story. Having said all that, they wont disappoint either. And if you find a slightly used one for a decent deal, you surely wont regret it.
With regards to 300WM. Consider this; 6.5 Creedmoor Match ammo is 1/3 of the price, 1/2 the recoil and 3 times the barrel life while comfortably getting you out to the longest distance you can find on the East coast. Its readily available from a multitude of manufacturers in a large variety allowing you to easily find the one you and your rifle like. Same is more or less true for 308. Unless you NEED 300WM, I suggest you go with 6.5 Creedmoor or 308 and shoot a lot.
Hope this helps
I've owned trg22 and 42 rifles.. all pre 2015. The current trigger is NOTHING like the legacy ones.
If this was 2005 you may have a point. But compared to the triggers we have today, they suck.
People just regurgitate shit they hear other people say without actually using the gear in question.
If this was 2005 you may have a point. But compared to the triggers we have today, they suck.
People just regurgitate shit they hear other people say without actually using the gear in question.
