Savage 10 pc vs. Remington 700 ltr

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Currently have a Savage 10 FCP-K in a HS-Precision stock that I've been using for LR shoots and am happy with. Have wanted to purchase another 308 bolt gun that is lighter, can use for hunting, and can supplement for LR shooting. Have looked at many rifles and have narrowed selection down to the Savage 10 pc or the Remington 700 ltr. Both look great and understand the pros/cons of each including the cost difference. Will not be able to handle/shoot either so I wanted to get some input on these two rifles from those who may own both/either or.

John
 
#4
Re: Savage 10 pc vs. Remington 700 ltr

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 264Charlie</div><div class="ubbcode-body">If you own a Savage don't buy the 700. It will only force you to sell the Savage. </div></div>Lol, That's funny, true, but funny.

To the op, I know that one of the main reasons I decided to go with the 700 was not only the rep of the action, but also the great infrastructure of after-market parts that are available for it.
 
#5
Re: Savage 10 pc vs. Remington 700 ltr

Both rifles are comparable. Their prices are close enough to not matter if you look on gunbroker and develop some patience.

LTR has a very nice stock. The PC has the Accustock (IMO helps accuracy). If you really want a detachable magazine, you'll have to buy it for the LTR whereas the PC already has it. The PC will need a flat clear coat on the stock to prevent it from rubbing off eventually.

You could also save yourself the money and have your barrel cut down to 20 inches.
 
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Re: Savage 10 pc vs. Remington 700 ltr

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: AustinCQC</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Both rifles are comparable. Their prices are close enough to not matter if you look on gunbroker and develop some patience.</div></div>

Huh?

LTR's go for around $800
10 PC's for around $600

A 25% difference is a little less than "close" to me.

IMHO it's an apples to oranges comparison. The 10 PC is more comparable to the SPS Tactical or SPS Tactical AAC-SD. Savage doesn't really have a short carbine to compare with the LTR.

When it comes down to it, you need to feel the difference. If you can find someone who has a LTR, 700P or SPS-V/SPS-T that is broken in, you will see what the Remington owners are talking about. Comparing them in the gunshop gives you a little bit of an idea, but you will still feel a "gritty" action because it hasn't worn in yet. I have felt worn in Savages. While they are OK, they just don't feel as good to me.

Of course I have had Savage owners tell me they feel the exact opposite. That's why YOU need to handle them.
 
#7
Re: Savage 10 pc vs. Remington 700 ltr

First off to the OP, during my short time here I've noticed that this site is very "Pro" Remington when it comes down to it. Some of the pro remington people on here have valid reasons to be, while others are simply playing follow the leader and jumping on the winning band wagon.

I own both Remington and savage rifles and I currently own both of the rifles you have listed above. I have the Savage 10PC in .223 and the LTR in .308. The LTR is a great rifle, as well as is the 10PC. They both have their pros and cons, but this really comes down to what you want to do with the rifle, meaning are you going to leave it factory or do you plan to upgrade the parts on it such as the stock/trigger/DBM. If you want a awesome "off the shelf" rifle then the 10PC is the way to go. It has a decent stock, a nice owner adjustable trigger, a decent DBM system, and they shoot extremely well, anyone who'd like to say otherwise I'll be glad to post up a few targets to shut you up. Obviously the savage has the switch barrel system with the barrel nut so you can buy any caliber barrel you want (within the .308 bolt face family) and screw it on yourself and you have a new caliber/new gun without any time/money spent on gunsmithing. Also, there are PLENTY of aftermarket parts now for the savage. Used/for sale parts are not as abundant as the Remington, but if buying new you can get anything you want for the savage and as far as barrels you can get them much faster most of the time as opposed to the 3-6 month wait for a good match Rem barrel.
As for looks...?? Well I honestly can't see where all these people come up with this "Remington is more sexy" bullshit. I mean really, are you gonna shoot the gun or stick your dick in it?? Yes, I agree that the Remington lines flow nicely and look good, but what the hell is so different about the savage?

I love my remingtons and I love my savages. I appreciate both brands for what they are and what they are designed for. You buy what you want, but don't let anyone tell you the Savage is "less of a gun" and if they do have them issue some proof. Yes!! We all know the Rem700 is what we build all our custom builds on, but you can just as easily build that custom on a Savage. I'm about to build a .260 on a Mod12 action and I'll lay it down beside any rem700 when I'm done with it, but later on down the road when we shoot our barrels out, I'll just grab my new one off the bench and screw it on, while the Rem700 guy is taking a trip to the gunsmith to drop his rifle off for 2wks to 3month.
 
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Re: Savage 10 pc vs. Remington 700 ltr

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: LoneWolfUSMC</div><div class="ubbcode-body">LTR's go for around $800</div></div>
Currently $899 at Bud's, so more like around $900.
 
#9
Re: Savage 10 pc vs. Remington 700 ltr

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: LoneWolfUSMC</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: AustinCQC</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Both rifles are comparable. Their prices are close enough to not matter if you look on gunbroker and develop some patience.</div></div>

Huh?

LTR's go for around $800
10 PC's for around $600

A 25% difference is a little less than "close" to me.

IMHO it's an apples to oranges comparison. The 10 PC is more comparable to the SPS Tactical or SPS Tactical AAC-SD. Savage doesn't really have a short carbine to compare with the LTR.

When it comes down to it, you need to feel the difference. If you can find someone who has a LTR, 700P or SPS-V/SPS-T that is broken in, you will see what the Remington owners are talking about. Comparing them in the gunshop gives you a little bit of an idea, but you will still feel a "gritty" action because it hasn't worn in yet. I have felt worn in Savages. While they are OK, they just don't feel as good to me.

Of course I have had Savage owners tell me they feel the exact opposite. That's why YOU need to handle them. </div></div>

Am thinking that handling both is the only way to go here. Big gun show coming up here mid-month and am hoping I'll be able to get a chance to see/handle both. Local shop does have a .308 700 tactical in stock but I've heard their actions are not quite as good as those on the LTR since the LE rifles receive a little more hand finishing ... thoughts?
 
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Re: Savage 10 pc vs. Remington 700 ltr

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: trevor300wsm</div><div class="ubbcode-body">First off to the OP, during my short time here I've noticed that this site is very "Pro" Remington when it comes down to it. Some of the pro remington people on here have valid reasons to be, while others are simply playing follow the leader and jumping on the winning band wagon.

I own both Remington and savage rifles and I currently own both of the rifles you have listed above. I have the Savage 10PC in .223 and the LTR in .308. The LTR is a great rifle, as well as is the 10PC. They both have their pros and cons, but this really comes down to what you want to do with the rifle, meaning are you going to leave it factory or do you plan to upgrade the parts on it such as the stock/trigger/DBM. If you want a awesome "off the shelf" rifle then the 10PC is the way to go. It has a decent stock, a nice owner adjustable trigger, a decent DBM system, and they shoot extremely well, anyone who'd like to say otherwise I'll be glad to post up a few targets to shut you up. Obviously the savage has the switch barrel system with the barrel nut so you can buy any caliber barrel you want (within the .308 bolt face family) and screw it on yourself and you have a new caliber/new gun without any time/money spent on gunsmithing. Also, there are PLENTY of aftermarket parts now for the savage. Used/for sale parts are not as abundant as the Remington, but if buying new you can get anything you want for the savage and as far as barrels you can get them much faster most of the time as opposed to the 3-6 month wait for a good match Rem barrel.
As for looks...?? Well I honestly can't see where all these people come up with this "Remington is more sexy" bullshit. I mean really, are you gonna shoot the gun or stick your dick in it?? Yes, I agree that the Remington lines flow nicely and look good, but what the hell is so different about the savage?

I love my remingtons and I love my savages. I appreciate both brands for what they are and what they are designed for. You buy what you want, but don't let anyone tell you the Savage is "less of a gun" and if they do have them issue some proof. Yes!! We all know the Rem700 is what we build all our custom builds on, but you can just as easily build that custom on a Savage. I'm about to build a .260 on a Mod12 action and I'll lay it down beside any rem700 when I'm done with it, but later on down the road when we shoot our barrels out, I'll just grab my new one off the bench and screw it on, while the Rem700 guy is taking a trip to the gunsmith to drop his rifle off for 2wks to 3month.

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Thanks for your advice, it is sound. Currently, I have no plans to mod this rifle, but you know how that goes. So want a good trigger, stock, and accuracy out of the box. Detachable magazine and home swappable barrel are all pluses and I don't give a damn about the 'sexiness' of the rifle ... as you say, am not planning on putting my dick in it. I want it to shoot and shoot well.
 
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Re: Savage 10 pc vs. Remington 700 ltr

The savage bolt can feel extremely notchy on some new rifles. I had a m12 in 300wsm that I never really liked the feel of the bolt on it. Even after lapping it never really felt smooth. But I also have a 116 that has never been lapped and it is like butter compared to other savages I have owned and handled. I dont think the savage bolt will ever feel (or maybe actually be) as smooth as a remington bolt, but the floating bolt head takes a little getting used to if it is your first savage. Definitely handle both, and if you can find a used savage or an savage action that has been worked (timed and trued, lapped, bolt lift kit) test it also and you will prob be surprised.
If you plan on buying used upgrade parts later, go with the 700. There are just so many parts available for it.
 
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Re: Savage 10 pc vs. Remington 700 ltr

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: cjones</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I have the savage 10 pc in .223. Shoots great. Buy the savage, save the money and buy better optics. </div></div>

Is what I've been leaning towards but want to handle both before taking the plunge. Like the Savage that I have.
 
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Re: Savage 10 pc vs. Remington 700 ltr

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: LoneWolfUSMC</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: AustinCQC</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Both rifles are comparable. Their prices are close enough to not matter if you look on gunbroker and develop some patience.</div></div>

Huh?

LTR's go for around $800
10 PC's for around $600

A 25% difference is a little less than "close" to me.

IMHO it's an apples to oranges comparison. The 10 PC is more comparable to the SPS Tactical or SPS Tactical AAC-SD. Savage doesn't really have a short carbine to compare with the LTR.
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When I was doing my search for a carbine, I could drive over to Cabela's and pick one up for $675. As I did my research over a few weeks, I found 2-3 lightly used and 2-3 used LTRs on Gunbroker selling for $725-800. This economy is tough and some people are selling their toys. If he doesn't have any patience, your point is very valid. If he has patience, $50 isn't a large difference especially after sales tax is paid at the local shop.

The SPS is a far cry from the Precision Carbine. Free floated barrel, bottom metal and aluminum bedding versus a hogue stock. With a cheap choate stock, tactical bolt knob, and bottom metal, he'd have to add an extra $300-400.

By the way, I'm going to try your knob idea. Great info!!
 
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Re: Savage 10 pc vs. Remington 700 ltr

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: trevor300wsm</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
As for looks...?? Well I honestly can't see where all these people come up with this "Remington is more sexy" bullshit. I mean really, are you gonna shoot the gun or stick your dick in it?? </div></div>

man i laughed my ass off when i read this!!! really for those of us that shoot vs. just collect who gives a shit if it helps you shoot better use it if not don't.
 
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Re: Savage 10 pc vs. Remington 700 ltr

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: AustinCQC</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
The SPS is a far cry from the Precision Carbine. Free floated barrel, bottom metal and aluminum bedding versus a hogue stock. With a cheap choate stock, tactical bolt knob, and bottom metal, he'd have to add an extra $300-400.
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The current "Tactical" comes in a Hogue stock with a full aluminum bedding block. The barrel is free floated, but if it stays that way will have to be see. There is nothing wrong with the bottom metal that comes on the rifle. It's the same bottom metal that is on my not so stock M700. I have a Williams one piece that is still in the bubble wrap because I have just not been real inclined to make the change. There is also nothing wrong with a factory bolt knob. I seem to be pretty quick with the factory handle.

I have a Tactical AAC on the way to review. You can bet that if it's a POS I will say it's a POS. I even managed to find things I didn't like about my AI. I have shot a friends 10PC. It hit what I was aiming at. There were lots of things I didn't like about it. No big deal since it wasn't my rifle.

I don't really have a dog in this fight. I don't sell rifles. I buy what I buy based on my needs. If everyone tomorrow got together and decided that Savage makes the best rifle on the planet it wouldn't change my world view one iota. I don't need to convince others to buy what I bought to make me feel better about my purchases. I have a laundry list of things I don't like about Savages and where and how I have seen them fail. Unfortunately it ends up like the Jewel trigger threads where everyone has to defend their territory.
 
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Re: Savage 10 pc vs. Remington 700 ltr

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Rainier42</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Local shop does have a .308 700 tactical in stock but I've heard their actions are not quite as good as those on the LTR since the LE rifles receive a little more hand finishing ... thoughts? </div></div>

Same action. Different finish (parkerized v. matte blue). No extra hand fitting unless it's a custom shop rifle.

I can't tell you for sure if there are any higher QC standards for the LE rifles. I have never been able to get an answer on that.

The decision on a LTR or Tactical should be based on if you are going to keep the stock or upgrade it. If you are going to replace the stock with something different then the added cost of the H&S on the LTR is just not needed. If you plan on shooting with the factory stock for awhile then the LTR may be the better choice. I am not a fan of the LTR's stock, but that is completely personal preference. I think the forend is too slim and the comb is too low. However Remington nor H&S asked for my opinion when they designed it.
 
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Re: Savage 10 pc vs. Remington 700 ltr

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: LoneWolfUSMC</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
The current "Tactical" comes in a Hogue stock with a full aluminum bedding block. The barrel is free floated, but if it stays that way will have to be see. There is nothing wrong with the bottom metal that comes on the rifle. It's the same bottom metal that is on my not so stock M700. I have a Williams one piece that is still in the bubble wrap because I have just not been real inclined to make the change. There is also nothing wrong with a factory bolt knob. I seem to be pretty quick with the factory handle.
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You're right. There is nothing wrong with the bottom metal and the stock knob just as there is nothing wrong with thin barrels. I just wanted to make sure the OP knew that if he wanted a detachable mag and tactical knob, he'd have to fork out the extra dough. If he decides to go that route, great for him. If not, great for him.
 
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Re: Savage 10 pc vs. Remington 700 ltr

I can't tell you for sure if there are any higher QC standards for the LE rifles. I have never been able to get an answer on that.

When I was at Drum, we had our M24's maintained by Remington...since we were only 90 minutes or so up the road we drove them in a gov't vehicle down there. While there we got a tour of the plant. The LE series guns are, if I recall correctly, assembled in a different area than the regular Remington guns..are held to an accuracy standard (although they didn't tell us what it was..like 1MOA, .5 MOA etc) and do have a higher QC standard than the regular line as well. There is definitely a section on one of the floors that is dedicated to the LE guns and the M24's...I remember being in that room and the only guns in there were M24's and LE guns in various states of being built and repaired...now it's been about 3 years, but I'm pretty sure that the employees who build the LE guns only build LE guns.

There's a 200 yard underground range in Ilion too...so does that mean your LTR will have been test fired for accuracy there? I don't know or remember.

This is all from foggy memory though...if someone knows otherwise, please say something.
 
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Re: Savage 10 pc vs. Remington 700 ltr

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: rgrwilcox</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The LE series guns are, if I recall correctly, assembled in a different area than the regular Remington guns..are held to an accuracy standard (although they didn't tell us what it was..like 1MOA, .5 MOA etc) and do have a higher QC standard than the regular line as well. There is definitely a section on one of the floors that is dedicated to the LE guns and the M24's...I remember being in that room and the only guns in there were M24's and LE guns in various states of being built and repaired...</div></div>

That's pretty interesting...I need to take another look at those rifles.
 
#23
Re: Savage 10 pc vs. Remington 700 ltr

I'm new to bolt guns and recently went through the same dilemma. I ultimately went with a Remington, and I'll tell you why. I spoke with other shooters and a couple of gunsmith friends of mine and in the end, my decision was based on these factors.

First, I wanted a short action rifle. To me, the Remington seemed like a "true" short action, for what that's worth. It just seemed to me that the Savage action was longer than it needed to be and rang of being somewhat of an after thought design.

The second thing is the floating bolt head of the Savage. It is, as far as I think, both a pro and a con. The head floats so it doesn't need to be trued. On the other hand, it floats, so the bolt is a two piece design. In my experience with working on guns and doing amateur machine work, one piece is usualy stronger than two and this was supported by a few reports that I had heard concerning Savage bolt failures under periods of hard use.

Third, well it really isn't a third, but I took into account the barrel swapability (is that a word?) of the Savage. After some research, I discovered that at least a couple of companies supply parts that allow a conversion of the Remington to the Savage method of barrel retention, so that point was moot.

Fourth, I do not like the Savage trigger. I have short fingers and the trigger just isn't comfortable to me, although this because a moot point anyway, since I swapped the trigger in my Remington for a Timney.

Lastly, was the availability of options. I looked at aftermarket stocks and such, and when checking for the Savage, there were caveats like "our model will fit this Savage if the screw holes are this far apart." I like to keep things simple.

I paid $550 for my SPS Tactical. Another $200ish for the 700P pull off shock and another $100 for the Timney. I like my rig, although I did have a couple of problems with it. The extractor was bad, out of the box and the scope mounting holes were off center. Both were fixed without much expense or effort.
 
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Re: Savage 10 pc vs. Remington 700 ltr

All,

Thanks for taking the time to post your opinion ... is exactly what I am looking for and I appreciate it. Am hoping that I will be able to get a sense of both over the next couple of weeks and work actions, see which feels most comfortable, balance, etc. Hoping to find a gun shop in PA that has one or both in stock, else may find them at the Valley Forge Gun Show that is coming up in a couple of weeks.
 
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Re: Savage 10 pc vs. Remington 700 ltr

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: rgrwilcox</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I can't tell you for sure if there are any higher QC standards for the LE rifles. I have never been able to get an answer on that.

When I was at Drum, we had our M24's maintained by Remington...since we were only 90 minutes or so up the road we drove them in a gov't vehicle down there. While there we got a tour of the plant. The LE series guns are, if I recall correctly, assembled in a different area than the regular Remington guns..are held to an accuracy standard (although they didn't tell us what it was..like 1MOA, .5 MOA etc) and do have a higher QC standard than the regular line as well. There is definitely a section on one of the floors that is dedicated to the LE guns and the M24's...I remember being in that room and the only guns in there were M24's and LE guns in various states of being built and repaired...now it's been about 3 years, but I'm pretty sure that the employees who build the LE guns only build LE guns.

There's a 200 yard underground range in Ilion too...so does that mean your LTR will have been test fired for accuracy there? I don't know or remember.

This is all from foggy memory though...if someone knows otherwise, please say something. </div></div>

I emailed someone I know who is with the Remington LE Division as to whether Police line is the same as say the Sps Tactical/ Varmint and their response from email is attached. (FWIW)

<span style="font-weight: bold">"The LE rifles are built in a special build area by people who have lots of experience and bid into that small shop. They have a higher QC factor for parts, personnel and finished product. The inspection procedure is more complicated and more product will not meet the standards. The standard is set high mainly because squirrels don’t shoot back. Just kidding but you can see the need for a weapon not intended to hunt deer to have a higher bar set for it to pass.
Thanks, .........."</span>

Does this mean the 700p is more accurate that the Sps varmint? No! It just clarifies that the Police lineup has its own little corner in Remingtons world!
 
#26
Re: Savage 10 pc vs. Remington 700 ltr

Have both, love both! Have fun picking
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My Savage 10FP 20" .308, feels like a tank compared to my LTR .223! It sits in a B&C Medalist stock, where the LTR sits in the slimmed down HS stock, so theres some of the weight. Both shoot .5moa, or more like thats my limit, as I can't believe I can out shoot these quality rifles.
 
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