Savage Arms Home Site revamped
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Re: Savage Arms Home Site revamped
looks good,
Savage really is really doing a great job listening to the shooters and what they would like to see.
JamieD
Wolf Precision
All Hogs Go to Heaven
looks good,
Savage really is really doing a great job listening to the shooters and what they would like to see.
JamieD
Wolf Precision
All Hogs Go to Heaven
Re: Savage Arms Home Site revamped
I was looking at the new Savage site and read the blurb on their new stock/bedding block and started wondering about the high speed footage they mention. Basically the new bedding block (Accustock) consists of an aluminum "rigid rail system" u-shaped channel extending forward to stiffen the stock in the foregrip area.
My question and main point of interest comes with the "steel block". This part is designed to create downward and rearward pressure on the recoil lug and is essentially a wedge tightened via a screw on the bottom of the stock that pushes the recoil lug against the surface to its rear while pulling it downward.
My thinking is that because the receiver still has the action screws at the front and rear rings, torquing at the recoil lug would effect the harmonics of the action and therefore accuracy.
It seems as though the new Accustock is going to replace the injection molded "tupperware" that normally finds its way to the garbage can and isn't going to be implemented on their higher end rifles. I'm glad that a major manufacturer is making a serious effort to improve their product, but this has me thinking in circles.
The high speed footage
http://www.youtube.com/user/SavageAccuracy#p/a/u/1/yYZJnUyrEQk
I was looking at the new Savage site and read the blurb on their new stock/bedding block and started wondering about the high speed footage they mention. Basically the new bedding block (Accustock) consists of an aluminum "rigid rail system" u-shaped channel extending forward to stiffen the stock in the foregrip area.
My question and main point of interest comes with the "steel block". This part is designed to create downward and rearward pressure on the recoil lug and is essentially a wedge tightened via a screw on the bottom of the stock that pushes the recoil lug against the surface to its rear while pulling it downward.
My thinking is that because the receiver still has the action screws at the front and rear rings, torquing at the recoil lug would effect the harmonics of the action and therefore accuracy.
It seems as though the new Accustock is going to replace the injection molded "tupperware" that normally finds its way to the garbage can and isn't going to be implemented on their higher end rifles. I'm glad that a major manufacturer is making a serious effort to improve their product, but this has me thinking in circles.
The high speed footage
http://www.youtube.com/user/SavageAccuracy#p/a/u/1/yYZJnUyrEQk
Re: Savage Arms Home Site revamped
After reading the Lane Simpson article that's linked from the site, I get the same take as you about the relationship between screw tensions and accuracy.
All I can suggest is that the article makes mention of intructions regarding securing sequences and torques being regularly provided by Savage with the stock. So your concerns have at least been addressed.
IMHO, the intro of the AccueStock completes the litany of solutions needed to address the major concerns of buyers and users of Savage products in a way that demonstrates the company's no-nonsense approach to responding the market's real needs.
I think that the competition has seen the gauntlet; and that for the most part, their reponses have been aimed more toward style and flash than at real advances in firearms performance. I see a distinct difference between Savage's foresquare approach to trigger effectiveness as in somewhat of a contrast to Remington's (wondering if they would have ever done <span style="font-style: italic">anything</span> about their flatly gawdawful factory triggers if Savage hadn't ante'd up with theirs...); and although I can buy into the new .30 Remington AR chambering, their caving to the lawyers (or somebody, can't imagine who else...) in making the rim diameter incompatible with other bolt face designs is simply more of the same psychology of idiot proofing taking precedence over sound design.
It's just another in a long line of disappontments, like the way Remington has turned their own .260 Remington chambering into a red-headed stepchild. We like it, but apparently our segment of the market does not have the approval of Remington's management culture.
A pity...
Thank you, Savage. Your people are doing it right.
Greg
PS I do not work for Savage, nor do I have, nor have I ever had, a relationship with the firm in any way. They have never provided me with any incentive or motivation to favor them in any way; except by making products I like.
After reading the Lane Simpson article that's linked from the site, I get the same take as you about the relationship between screw tensions and accuracy.
All I can suggest is that the article makes mention of intructions regarding securing sequences and torques being regularly provided by Savage with the stock. So your concerns have at least been addressed.
IMHO, the intro of the AccueStock completes the litany of solutions needed to address the major concerns of buyers and users of Savage products in a way that demonstrates the company's no-nonsense approach to responding the market's real needs.
I think that the competition has seen the gauntlet; and that for the most part, their reponses have been aimed more toward style and flash than at real advances in firearms performance. I see a distinct difference between Savage's foresquare approach to trigger effectiveness as in somewhat of a contrast to Remington's (wondering if they would have ever done <span style="font-style: italic">anything</span> about their flatly gawdawful factory triggers if Savage hadn't ante'd up with theirs...); and although I can buy into the new .30 Remington AR chambering, their caving to the lawyers (or somebody, can't imagine who else...) in making the rim diameter incompatible with other bolt face designs is simply more of the same psychology of idiot proofing taking precedence over sound design.
It's just another in a long line of disappontments, like the way Remington has turned their own .260 Remington chambering into a red-headed stepchild. We like it, but apparently our segment of the market does not have the approval of Remington's management culture.
A pity...
Thank you, Savage. Your people are doing it right.
Greg
PS I do not work for Savage, nor do I have, nor have I ever had, a relationship with the firm in any way. They have never provided me with any incentive or motivation to favor them in any way; except by making products I like.
Re: Savage Arms Home Site revamped
I have one of the newer Savage's (Model 10FLCP-K) that was given to me as one of my pending retirement gifts from my former unit and Savage. The military rep explained to me the new 3-D bedding and the importance to torque it correctly (in the correct sequence)
and how proud Savage is of it and the results they have achieved with it.
I've had one "supplier" question the new stock but since I've had an opportunity to fire the rifle (I have fewer than 40 rounds through it so far) after laser sighting it and firing the initial 3 rounds all my 3 and 5 shot groups have been in the realm or 1/8th moa at 100!
My original thought was to look at a new stock for it but after shooting it this little bit at this point I'm not considering changing it now.
I have one of the newer Savage's (Model 10FLCP-K) that was given to me as one of my pending retirement gifts from my former unit and Savage. The military rep explained to me the new 3-D bedding and the importance to torque it correctly (in the correct sequence)
and how proud Savage is of it and the results they have achieved with it.
I've had one "supplier" question the new stock but since I've had an opportunity to fire the rifle (I have fewer than 40 rounds through it so far) after laser sighting it and firing the initial 3 rounds all my 3 and 5 shot groups have been in the realm or 1/8th moa at 100!
My original thought was to look at a new stock for it but after shooting it this little bit at this point I'm not considering changing it now.
Re: Savage Arms Home Site revamped
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: gixxerpilot750</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
My question and main point of interest comes with the "steel block". This part is designed to create downward and rearward pressure on the recoil lug and is essentially a wedge tightened via a screw on the bottom of the stock that pushes the recoil lug against the surface to its rear while pulling it downward.
My thinking is that because the receiver still has the action screws at the front and rear rings, torquing at the recoil lug would effect the harmonics of the action and therefore accuracy.
/yYZJnUyrEQk </div></div>
Since there are always tolerance in the stock's action screw holes, the correct process is to torque the recoil lug wedge block 1st (think of it as user just bedded the recoil lug), then torque the action screws.
I assume Savage will have correct steps for which screws to torque.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: gixxerpilot750</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
My question and main point of interest comes with the "steel block". This part is designed to create downward and rearward pressure on the recoil lug and is essentially a wedge tightened via a screw on the bottom of the stock that pushes the recoil lug against the surface to its rear while pulling it downward.
My thinking is that because the receiver still has the action screws at the front and rear rings, torquing at the recoil lug would effect the harmonics of the action and therefore accuracy.
/yYZJnUyrEQk </div></div>
Since there are always tolerance in the stock's action screw holes, the correct process is to torque the recoil lug wedge block 1st (think of it as user just bedded the recoil lug), then torque the action screws.
I assume Savage will have correct steps for which screws to torque.
Re: Savage Arms Home Site revamped
I hear yah on the midwayusa site. Takes forever to run a search
I hear yah on the midwayusa site. Takes forever to run a search
Re: Savage Arms Home Site revamped
The military rep gave me a card ( which basically states the the same procedure as the owners manual) to pack away that states:
In This Order
1.With action in the stock lighten the wedge screw #1, then loosen it one half turn.
2. With washer on the front action screw #2, snug it till you feel resistance.
3. Snug rear action screw #3 until you feel resistance.
4. Tighten front action screw #2 to 40 inch pounds.
5. Tighten rear action screw #3 to 40 inch pounds.
6. Tighten wedge screw #1 to 40 inch pounds.
The military rep gave me a card ( which basically states the the same procedure as the owners manual) to pack away that states:
In This Order
1.With action in the stock lighten the wedge screw #1, then loosen it one half turn.
2. With washer on the front action screw #2, snug it till you feel resistance.
3. Snug rear action screw #3 until you feel resistance.
4. Tighten front action screw #2 to 40 inch pounds.
5. Tighten rear action screw #3 to 40 inch pounds.
6. Tighten wedge screw #1 to 40 inch pounds.
Re: Savage Arms Home Site revamped
Thanks for the insight, and the torquing diagram. MSG Janoski, it sounds like Savage is on to something based on your experience with the 10FLCP-K. Im going to keep my eyes open for range reports and try to send a few downrange myself.
Thanks for the insight, and the torquing diagram. MSG Janoski, it sounds like Savage is on to something based on your experience with the 10FLCP-K. Im going to keep my eyes open for range reports and try to send a few downrange myself.
Re: Savage Arms Home Site revamped
gixxerpilot750,
Saturday a hunting partner of mine helped me build a good shooting platform then yesterday we took it out and set it in the ground at the "range" on my farm. My first shots with this Savage, (from post above) I was simply prone with it lying on top of my back pack. With this new bench rest table we built and some sandbags I'm ambitious to see what the rifle can really accomplish. I can only shoot out to 600 yards but that should give me a good idea of it's capabilities.
gixxerpilot750,
Saturday a hunting partner of mine helped me build a good shooting platform then yesterday we took it out and set it in the ground at the "range" on my farm. My first shots with this Savage, (from post above) I was simply prone with it lying on top of my back pack. With this new bench rest table we built and some sandbags I'm ambitious to see what the rifle can really accomplish. I can only shoot out to 600 yards but that should give me a good idea of it's capabilities.
Re: Savage Arms Home Site revamped
If I could only get a 10FP with the detachable magazine... sigh.
DK
If I could only get a 10FP with the detachable magazine... sigh.
DK
