Re: Savage MK II FV opinions?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: JACQ</div><div class="ubbcode-body">On somewhat of a budget, but am wanting to get into a better trainer than what i have now... I am thinking of either rebarreling my current 10/22... i currently have a tacsol barrel and here is a 150 yard group... NOT happy with it at all... i understand there is some shooter error in this as well, and this is the first time driving it that far but no matter how i concentrated i got these size groups ALL day...
What do you guys think of the savage for a trainer? Will it outshoot my 10/22? its a tacsol barreled hogue overmold stock with a VQ trigger.
here is the group at 150
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You didn't mention whether your primary rifle is a bolt or semi but I figure it is probably the former. <span style="font-style: italic">Generally speaking</span>, just about any bolt action .22LR will outshoot just about <span style="font-style: italic">any</span> 10/22 - especially if both are out-of-the-box. The 10/22 was never meant to be a tack driving rifle - it was designed as an inexpensive "plinker" for the masses. Cheap for Ruger to produce and inexpensive enough for the regular guy/gal to buy while still making a profit for Ruger. To get a 10/22 to shoot well consistently is easy - but it gets expensive really fast. By the time you have done this you more than likely could have bought a used Anschutz, and possibly an inexpensive scope for it.
But it really comes down to the question of <span style="font-style: italic">"What am I going to be using this gun for?"</span> I didn't build my MOA 10/22 as a trainer - it is more of a highly accurate 10/22 that can be used for pest elimination in fields and on farms. I have no illusions of my gun shooting with an Anschutz or tweaked bolt action .22, but since my customized 10/22 shoots sub-MOA at 100 yards I think I might be able to shoot with an out-of-the-box Savage or CZ.
I will probably get flamed for this, as I only shot this one group before the wind picked-up and the rain started coming down pretty good and three (3) "called flyers" are out of the frame of my Blackberry's frame. The shots were called as I touched the trigger and moved off target. What you see in the photo below are seven (7) shots in a 2.25" square at 200 yards using Winchester Super-X T22. This was the first time I had shot T22 (I usually just shoot Winchester Super-X 40 gr. High Velocity Copper Plated).
This is a 7-shot group that measured less than 2.25" <span style="font-style: italic">edge-to-edge</span>. The highly-defined (strong lead deposit) shots to the left of the brown-looking rectangle are mine, and some of them are "stacked". Through no fault of the gun, the other three shots are outside the photo frame. I definitely PULLED all three (3) of them due to my McMillan Sporter's LOP (13.0") being too short for me. One shot was 3" out at 10 O' Clock, the second was 4" out at 11 O' Clock, and the third was about 8" out between 5 and 6 O' Clock. Shot off bench using bipod and
<span style="font-weight: bold"><span style="font-style: italic">Redtac small bag</span></span>.
I actually counted a weaker lead mark as mine, which increased my group size by an easy .25". The shot in question is at about 2 O'Clock, .25" high of the top-rightmost heavy deposit. I think it may have been someone else's glancing shot, but I counted it as mine anyway. I know that all 10 shots hit the steel because I could make out splatter and hear the ring every time. Gotta love those amplified Impact Sports hearing protectors! If I were to remove that shot from my group, my group would have been more like 2.0" <span style="font-style: italic">edge-to-edge</span>.
I hope to be able to get back to the range either this Sunday, or the next day. Hopefully the wind will cooperate. I actually prefer Mondays' because steel is freshly painted, making it alot easier to spot my own hits and splashes through the Leupold currently mounted on my MOA 10/22. Also, since there are usually no other shooters shooting at the same plate(s) my groups remain my own and are better defined. This was pretty much the case the morning I was at the range.
It was very overcast that day, so the photo from my Blackberry is rather murky (although the dust on the camera lens didn't help either). For those of you who shoot at ASR, this was the round plate at the west end of the 200 yard berm. The plate was pretty much at my 12 O' Clock. Several minutes after I shot the photo with my Blackberry the wind picked-up and it started raining so I packed-up and left.
<span style="font-weight: bold">Temperature:</span> 72.2 F
<span style="font-weight: bold">Station Pressure:</span> 28.15
<span style="font-weight: bold">Wind:</span> 5 MPH 1/2 value
<span style="font-weight: bold">Altitude:</span> 1658
<span style="font-weight: bold">Density Altitude:</span> 3074
<span style="font-weight: bold">Humidity:</span> 52.2%
I invite anyone who shoots at ASR to PM me next time you plan a range day, and if we can meet there I will let you try-out my MOA 10/22.
Keith
