Does anyone know anything about whether or not the Savage MKII rifles have pinned actions/barrels? If so, what does this mean for after market match barrels? TIA
Savage MKII pinned action/barrels?
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Yes, Savage MkII's barrels are all pinned in place. This means that to replace the barrel, you need to have a barrel profiled for your receiver, and pin it in place where the factory barrel once was.
It supposedly isn't a very difficult process, but it doesn't seem to be practiced by most 'smiths.
I spoke to Dan Lilja recently about getting a replacement barrel for my own MkII and the moral of our conversations was that you can get the barrel made, then have it shaped to your receiver, have the extractor cuts made if necessary, and pin in place.
I've read elsewhere that the operation can be done at home with a few simple tools, but I don't really think I am personally competent enough yet to do this on my own. So I asked Dan if he could recommend a rimfire 'smith to do the work and he suggested Loren Peter at (360) 892-0734
Yes, Savage MkII's barrels are all pinned in place. This means that to replace the barrel, you need to have a barrel profiled for your receiver, and pin it in place where the factory barrel once was.
It supposedly isn't a very difficult process, but it doesn't seem to be practiced by most 'smiths.
I spoke to Dan Lilja recently about getting a replacement barrel for my own MkII and the moral of our conversations was that you can get the barrel made, then have it shaped to your receiver, have the extractor cuts made if necessary, and pin in place.
I've read elsewhere that the operation can be done at home with a few simple tools, but I don't really think I am personally competent enough yet to do this on my own. So I asked Dan if he could recommend a rimfire 'smith to do the work and he suggested Loren Peter at (360) 892-0734
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Thanks, Terror. Exactly what I was looking for. And I'm definitely putting that number in my phone right now.
Semper Fi!
Thanks, Terror. Exactly what I was looking for. And I'm definitely putting that number in my phone right now.
Semper Fi!
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As far as the match barrel support, I've read more than a few times that people are using 10/22 and 77/22 barrels in their MkII's. The shanks need to be lengthened to allow them to be used in the MkII action. If you use the 10/22 barrel a second extractor notch will need to be cut too, where the 77/22 barrel already has that second notch. It'll need to be re-drilled and pinned, but it sure does open up the aftermarket barrel industry.
It's something that I have been considering trying on my MkII, but need to finish up on a couple of other projects first.
As far as the match barrel support, I've read more than a few times that people are using 10/22 and 77/22 barrels in their MkII's. The shanks need to be lengthened to allow them to be used in the MkII action. If you use the 10/22 barrel a second extractor notch will need to be cut too, where the 77/22 barrel already has that second notch. It'll need to be re-drilled and pinned, but it sure does open up the aftermarket barrel industry.
It's something that I have been considering trying on my MkII, but need to finish up on a couple of other projects first.
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Thanks for the info. I actually just ordered a MKII FV. I know this rifle could never stand up to the $2k+ rifles out there, but I hope to be able to do enough with it that I can make those guys sweat a little.
On a side note, I've heard that the stock on the MKII (non-tacticool) aren't very good and flex. Does that sound right? What would be a good style of stock to replace the Savage stock? I like the tacticool but not sure if it would prove to be of any greater benefit.
One last thing, I've heard of changing the bottom metal(?) and fine tuning the trigger/action bolts to help improve accuracy. Does any of that sound right? I'm not very familiar with this setup so any thoughts that you could share would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks for the info. I actually just ordered a MKII FV. I know this rifle could never stand up to the $2k+ rifles out there, but I hope to be able to do enough with it that I can make those guys sweat a little.
On a side note, I've heard that the stock on the MKII (non-tacticool) aren't very good and flex. Does that sound right? What would be a good style of stock to replace the Savage stock? I like the tacticool but not sure if it would prove to be of any greater benefit.
One last thing, I've heard of changing the bottom metal(?) and fine tuning the trigger/action bolts to help improve accuracy. Does any of that sound right? I'm not very familiar with this setup so any thoughts that you could share would be greatly appreciated.
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: BigtimeAub</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Thanks for the info. I actually just ordered a MKII FV. I know this rifle could never stand up to the $2k+ rifles out there, but I hope to be able to do enough with it that I can make those guys sweat a little.</div></div>
You may find that your particular Savage might not need an aftermarket barrel at all. It's fairly common for these rifles to shoot exceedingly well from the factory. With a little bit of work with the rifle, you may have a real jem in the rough. But we won't know until you get it
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">On a side note, I've heard that the stock on the MKII (non-tacticool) aren't very good and flex. Does that sound right? What would be a good style of stock to replace the Savage stock? I like the tacticool but not sure if it would prove to be of any greater benefit. </div></div>
Yes, the plastic stocks are junk, put nicely. You can make alot of improvements on them, and they can be made to be decent, but only if you feel like investing the time/money. I don't, so I would look at the Tacticool at the very least if you like how they feel. Otherwise, a simple laminate type stock would be a good investment too. Other than those, you could look into Sharp Shooter Supply (SSS), Richard's Microfit, or whoever else I'm forgetting to mention.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">One last thing, I've heard of changing the bottom metal(?) and fine tuning the trigger/action bolts to help improve accuracy. Does any of that sound right? I'm not very familiar with this setup so any thoughts that you could share would be greatly appreciated.</div></div>
Yes sir, by replacing the bottom metal that the magazine fits through, you can tighten the action screws and play with the torque setting to find out what your rifle likes the most. By doing this you can sometimes get a decent rifle to shoot phenominally. The problem with the factory bottom metal is that it is very thin and easily warps when you tighten the screws even at light finger pressure. Oh, and on that note, sometimes when you push the metal to its limit, it has a very good chance of crushing the soft wood in the stock. So be careful...
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: BigtimeAub</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Thanks for the info. I actually just ordered a MKII FV. I know this rifle could never stand up to the $2k+ rifles out there, but I hope to be able to do enough with it that I can make those guys sweat a little.</div></div>
You may find that your particular Savage might not need an aftermarket barrel at all. It's fairly common for these rifles to shoot exceedingly well from the factory. With a little bit of work with the rifle, you may have a real jem in the rough. But we won't know until you get it
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">On a side note, I've heard that the stock on the MKII (non-tacticool) aren't very good and flex. Does that sound right? What would be a good style of stock to replace the Savage stock? I like the tacticool but not sure if it would prove to be of any greater benefit. </div></div>
Yes, the plastic stocks are junk, put nicely. You can make alot of improvements on them, and they can be made to be decent, but only if you feel like investing the time/money. I don't, so I would look at the Tacticool at the very least if you like how they feel. Otherwise, a simple laminate type stock would be a good investment too. Other than those, you could look into Sharp Shooter Supply (SSS), Richard's Microfit, or whoever else I'm forgetting to mention.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">One last thing, I've heard of changing the bottom metal(?) and fine tuning the trigger/action bolts to help improve accuracy. Does any of that sound right? I'm not very familiar with this setup so any thoughts that you could share would be greatly appreciated.</div></div>
Yes sir, by replacing the bottom metal that the magazine fits through, you can tighten the action screws and play with the torque setting to find out what your rifle likes the most. By doing this you can sometimes get a decent rifle to shoot phenominally. The problem with the factory bottom metal is that it is very thin and easily warps when you tighten the screws even at light finger pressure. Oh, and on that note, sometimes when you push the metal to its limit, it has a very good chance of crushing the soft wood in the stock. So be careful...
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Terror, you're slipping! You forgot to link to your post showing what can happen with these wooden stocks when a little too much pressure is applied to them. http://www.snipershide.com/forum/ubbthre...835#Post2767835
Terror, you're slipping! You forgot to link to your post showing what can happen with these wooden stocks when a little too much pressure is applied to them. http://www.snipershide.com/forum/ubbthre...835#Post2767835
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Yep, ^^ that's a perfect example of what can happen! I almost forgot I posted it
I suppose I am slipping!
Yep, ^^ that's a perfect example of what can happen! I almost forgot I posted it
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Thanks guys. I've never bedded a rifle, but I did work at GKN Aerospace for about 6 years building composite parts for UH-60's. I've got plenty of experience with processes such as this so I'm sure I'll have no problems. As a matter of fact, just looking at that article and pictures, I believe I may know of a way to correct the issues presented by the soft birch that would be much more effective than the suggested steel pin. But I'll have to get my rifle and a tacticool stock to play with before I tell you what it is. Don't want to say without having tried it myself and be proven wrong therefore costing someone else $100 or so. Probably going to go ahead and order the stock tonight too. Give me a few weeks and I'll report back what I figure out.
Thanks guys. I've never bedded a rifle, but I did work at GKN Aerospace for about 6 years building composite parts for UH-60's. I've got plenty of experience with processes such as this so I'm sure I'll have no problems. As a matter of fact, just looking at that article and pictures, I believe I may know of a way to correct the issues presented by the soft birch that would be much more effective than the suggested steel pin. But I'll have to get my rifle and a tacticool stock to play with before I tell you what it is. Don't want to say without having tried it myself and be proven wrong therefore costing someone else $100 or so. Probably going to go ahead and order the stock tonight too. Give me a few weeks and I'll report back what I figure out.
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I've been trying to decide what to do with my own personal rifle in that area of the stock as well. I think I know what i'll do, but same as you, I don't want to post a theory and have someone waste their own time and money trying something I *think* might work.
Best of luck.
I've been trying to decide what to do with my own personal rifle in that area of the stock as well. I think I know what i'll do, but same as you, I don't want to post a theory and have someone waste their own time and money trying something I *think* might work.
Best of luck.
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Just ordered my tacticool and should get it by mid-week. I'll bump this post back to the top when I get everything changed over.
Just ordered my tacticool and should get it by mid-week. I'll bump this post back to the top when I get everything changed over.
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I have a tactcool as well will be waiting to see what you do, i as well am interested in this.
I have a tactcool as well will be waiting to see what you do, i as well am interested in this.
