Scar 16s accuracy?

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#1
Just wondered if anyone has done any accuracy testing with a SCAR 16. Here's why I am wondering-

I was thinking about setting up an SPR type build, some sort of semi auto 5.56. The DPMS Mini SASS is an attractive option for the price, but in thinking about it, I already have a FN SCAR in the case that's not getting used much.

I would like to know if anyone has tried it for this purpose. I have read in magazine tests that they achieved .5 moa accuracy, but you know how that goes. I haven't tested the accuracy for mine yet because I don't have a scope or a mount for it currently, it's set up with a EOTech 556 for now.

The major obstacle that I see is the trigger. It's pretty decent compared with most off the shelf AR's, but it doesn't compare with a good match trigger and would be way heavy for these purposes. As far as I know, no match triggers are available yet, and not many places are offering trigger jobs from what I have seen.

Your thoughts on this subject? Parts availability is definitely a limiting factor in this case, but if the .5 moa review is true, it wouldn't leave much left to do.

Thanks,

-Bob
 
#2
Re: Scar 16s accuracy?

Match ammo would be the first thing i would look for to get the last drop of accuracy out of something when none of the other tricks were available.

My SCAR experience is a 10 round test drive on some guy's at the range one day back when they were 6k ea. and for sale pretty much nowhere. Not saying they cant get varmint gun accuracy, but I can't think of hearing anyone even try (yet).

Think its a result of AR15s get to the same conclusion cheaper and easier.
 
#3
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Bob, I'd order some Black Hills Match ammo and borrow someone's scope. You could probably figure out if the SCAR is accurate enough for you if someone's got a spare ACOG. I never trust what the gun mags say about accuracy anyway.

Still, if you want a really accurate SDM style rifle, you may just want to go out and get what you want. It's certainly a lot more straightforward, and I'm sure you could get a good amount of trade value for that SCAR.
 
#4
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Well, I really don't want to sell the SCAR. I really enjoy it, and a lot of the features seem better thought out than an AR, such as the charging handle. If accuracy isn't there, a SASS type rifle will definitely be the way to go, as there is really no way to accurize the SCAR as far as I can tell.

I do have 150 rounds of Black Hills Match 75 grain to try, I just need to get a hold of a spare scope. My Schmidt and Bender is tied up in an AI dovetail mount, and I really don't want to buy a set of 34mm rings just to try this out.
 
#5
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I have a DPMS Mini-Sass and they are pretty accurate as I can regularly hit 3/4 - 1 MOA with reloads consistently to 350 yards. That is as farthest I have been able shoot it thus far. Mine loves 69SMK's but also does very well with Hornady 60 GR VMAX's. For the money it is a good buy and mine is fun to shoot. I also have a full size 308 GAP SASS so I use this one to practice as it is a lot cheaper to shoot.
 
#6
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Yeah, I really like the mini-SASS the more I look at it. How do you supposed the accuracy compares to a mark 12?
 
#7
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It sure would be cheaper to buy the 34mm rings seeing as you already have the Scar rather than buying the Dpms to test out the same thing
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#8
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: AtOne</div><div class="ubbcode-body">It sure would be cheaper to buy the 34mm rings seeing as you already have the Scar rather than buying the Dpms to test out the same thing
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</div></div>Well, what really makes sense is probably to buy the optic (thinking an NXS 2.5-10 or a USO 1.8-10,) and the rings, and start there. IF the SCAR shoots, then stop there. If not, then I'll already have the right optic and mount for the SASS.

I was just curious, because it would be kinda cool to have a SCAR sniper rifle. Of course they are coming out with one in .308, supposedly guaranteed to hold MOA at 1000 yards.
 
#9
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Haven't had much time to run it out yet, but have made it to the range with the scar a few times. The iron sights are kick ass, great for bangin steel and can be dialed dead on out to 700yds.

Iron sights, silver bear 62grhpbt, bipod & bag, full wind R2L:
200/300/400 was 5rns/5 hits, centered up nicely, great groups for irons, was plenty happy with that, never thought it'd get better, I usually call that good.

(made first rnd hits at every distance)
rifle/range
500yds, 5rnds fired,5 rnds landed (wasn't sure if the sight would be on at this range, held at 6 oclock on the small plate, after making 1st rnd hit I just ran with it for the next 4 shots)500yd plate
range flag 700: 700yd flag
600yds, 5rnds fired, 5 rnds landed 600yd plate

700yds, took 4 to get on, held right some more, landed 4, missed another 2x though 700yd plate
Threw a scope on it a couple days later, cheap sightmark 3-9, at 100yds with silver bear 62's and fgmm 69's. Bear ammo 5rnd groups were all around 3/4", feds were between 1/2 and 3/4, worst bear group was with some 55's, 7/8", none broke an inch. Could probably do a lil better, shooting bench was the back of the utv.
 
#11
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: bm11</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Yeah, I really like the mini-SASS the more I look at it. How do you supposed the accuracy compares to a mark 12?</div></div>
I have not seen a MK12 shoot so I can't really tell you. I can say that I have been impressed with the Mini-SASS - It is very pleasant to shoot and with the Magpul it makes it that much better.
 
#12
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Personally try it out if you can with a scope. I had high expectations for my Sig556, everything was beautiful, trigger, system, and then I slap a Nightforce NXS 5.5-22X on the tried for accuracy. All bullet weights (55-77gr) nothing did better than 3"@100 yards (not like the 1.5" Sig advertised initially)... I had two, solde one and the other is up in the classified... not bad for a swiss made AK47 that spits 223.

The SCAR is on my list, so I'm very interested in learning it's accuracy potential... the pencil barrel is telling me accuracy could be a problem but would like some on hand experience reports before I make my decision
 
#13
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I did a range report a few months ago...

http://www.snipershide.com/forum/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=1800612&page=1

To date I have ran the SCAR16 in a few classes 100 yards and closer and did a lot of distance work with it both at home and down at Rifles Only. I ran some Mk262 and Black Hills 77 gr through it and both worked about the same... very well. The 16s as it stands is not a precision rifle or would I call it a SPR regardless of the glass you put on it. It is a very accurate fighting rifle and to obtain precision shots from it you need to run the gun.

Compared to my SPR build the SCAR is subpar but again I would not consider the SCAR an "SPR". Here is a link to my SPR range report.

http://www.snipershide.com/forum/ubbthre...821#Post1963821

Maybe I will toss my SS on the SCAR and get a better idea.
 
#14
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: RC2125</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Haven't had much time to run it out yet, but have made it to the range with the scar a few times. The iron sights are kick ass, great for bangin steel and can be dialed dead on out to 700yds.

Iron sights, silver bear 62grhpbt, bipod & bag, full wind R2L:
200/300/400 was 5rns/5 hits, centered up nicely, great groups for irons, was plenty happy with that, never thought it'd get better, I usually call that good.

(made first rnd hits at every distance)
rifle/range
500yds, 5rnds fired,5 rnds landed (wasn't sure if the sight would be on at this range, held at 6 oclock on the small plate, after making 1st rnd hit I just ran with it for the next 4 shots)500yd plate
range flag 700: 700yd flag
600yds, 5rnds fired, 5 rnds landed 600yd plate

700yds, took 4 to get on, held right some more, landed 4, missed another 2x though 700yd plate
Threw a scope on it a couple days later, cheap sightmark 3-9, at 100yds with silver bear 62's and fgmm 69's. Bear ammo 5rnd groups were all around 3/4", feds were between 1/2 and 3/4, worst bear group was with some 55's, 7/8", none broke an inch. Could probably do a lil better, shooting bench was the back of the utv. </div></div>

I would love to see a paper of consecutive targets of those 1/2" and 3/4" groups. 5 shot not 3. That is awesome.
 
#15
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Bongos</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The SCAR is on my list, so I'm very interested in learning it's accuracy potential... the pencil barrel is telling me accuracy could be a problem but would like some on hand experience reports before I make my decision </div></div>I don't believe it is a pencil barrel. I haven't measured it but the profile is more like an m4 barrel without the reduction for the grenade launcher.
 
#16
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: cowboy_bravo</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I did a range report a few months ago...

http://www.snipershide.com/forum/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=1800612&page=1

To date I have ran the SCAR16 in a few classes 100 yards and closer and did a lot of distance work with it both at home and down at Rifles Only. I ran some Mk262 and Black Hills 77 gr through it and both worked about the same... very well. The 16s as it stands is not a precision rifle or would I call it a SPR regardless of the glass you put on it. It is a very accurate fighting rifle and to obtain precision shots from it you need to run the gun.

Compared to my SPR build the SCAR is subpar but again I would not consider the SCAR an "SPR". Here is a link to my SPR range report.

http://www.snipershide.com/forum/ubbthre...821#Post1963821

Maybe I will toss my SS on the SCAR and get a better idea. </div></div>Yeah, I think I am trying to get it to be something that it wasn't intended to be. I had read both of your articles, nice writing and pics by the way. It just seemed based on the magazine articles claims of sub-moa, that it could fill an SPR roll, but I know gun magazines have a way of being paid advertisements. That's why I posed here. Seems like no one has yet thrown a scope on for some hard testing, so maybe I'll give it a try, but really I wouldn't mind building a true SPR and dedicating my SCAR to more of a CQB roll, going the SBR route with it and getting a QD can that would work on either rifle.

It's only money after all.
 
#17
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I've tried various loads with various projos and powders and groups ran from 0.7" to a little over an inch. Still working on loads but so far 52 smk's seem to group best with 26.2 grains of 748.
 
#19
Re: Scar 16s accuracy?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: bm11</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: AtOne</div><div class="ubbcode-body">It sure would be cheaper to buy the 34mm rings seeing as you already have the Scar rather than buying the Dpms to test out the same thing
wink.gif
</div></div>Well, what really makes sense is probably to buy the optic (thinking an NXS 2.5-10 or a USO 1.8-10,) and the rings, and start there. IF the SCAR shoots, then stop there. If not, then I'll already have the right optic and mount for the SASS.

I was just curious, because it would be kinda cool to have a SCAR sniper rifle. Of course they are coming out with one in .308, supposedly guaranteed to hold MOA at 1000 yards. </div></div>

Getting the scope sounds even better ! It's worth a try anyways and the scope can go on something new if it doesn't work out like you hoped... Besides it's a great reason to get a few more new toys errrr... tools
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#22
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I tried both an ACOG TARCOM4 and a Leupy Vaxi X III 6.5-20X40mm EFR on my SCAR to see if it improved group size. THe Leupy gave me slightly better groups but the SCAR IMO became to cumbersome with the Leupy on it. So I use the ACOG on it.
 
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