SOLD Schmidt Bender SOCOM PSR PM II

[Defender3]

For sale is a lightly used S&B Precision Sniper Program (SOCOM) overrun optic. This was number 290 of 300 where S&B covered the NSN marking with the “badge” they placed on the front objective. The scope is a S&B 5-25x56 PM II with a Tremor 2 reticle, .1MRAD, CCW, DT/ST, limited edition in Pantone that was selected by SOCOM for one of their military contracts. I mounted the scope in a Spuhr so there are feint markings, but everything else is like new. Comes with original box and paperwork, and Tenebraex caps (this one did not come with the bikini caps many others included). Sell for $3150 shipped and insured.

ETA - I've had numerous PMs on whether the NSN is intact under the badge. I don't know, I never took the badge off.

 

[N55]

I’ll take this (claimed on ARF as well)

 

[Mr Punisher]

just in case.... Second.

 

[Defender3]

SOLD to N55, funds received. If you take that badge off and the NSN is clear, don't tell me.

ETA - Shipped.

 

[N55]

Haha let’s hope it’s clear

 

[9Ball]

Haha let’s hope it’s clear

What would this be indicative of?

 

[Defender3]

That I just lost $2,000 in value. Most of the NSNs were demilled by S&B.

 

[bdn6465]

So you are saying it would have been $5K if NSN is still on the scope?

 

[Defender3]

I've simply been told that a non-demilled PSR is worth upwards of $5K. I don't know if fact.

 

[macethetemplar]

So you are saying it would have been $5K if NSN is still on the scope?

Not all of these had their markings demilled and are retained in good shape. That makes them legit scopes for someone looking to make the perfect clone.

 

[USMCSGT0331]

I've simply been told that a non-demilled PSR is worth upwards of $5K. I don't know if fact.

It's worth about $7k right now if it has intact markings, but I bet that this scope has destroyed markings. It's very easy to remove the plaque, just use fishing line and slide it under the tape like how people de-badge a car. It's just a double-sided foam tape made by 3M that's holding the plaque to the scope.

Most of the scopes with intact markings have been found with box codes "9317-7" on the right side under “Special Edition”. I’m not sure how high these serials go for the "9317-7" box code, the highest I’ve seen is scope number 96. Anything above serial number 160 I’ve seen was bad, and serial number 36 was also bad, both of these had different box codes.

For your reference, here's a reference photo we've been using that shows a box with the "9317-7" code, most of the known scopes with intact markings have had this box code. However, not all scope boxes with this code have a scope with intact markings! It's just a higher chance that the scope could have intact markings, and it's dedicated worth taking a look if you have one of these boxes.

Here's a few more photos that my friend and I were also using as reference material when looking for these intact scopes. The code on the right side of the box for the older style is "37916-7". This code exists on boxes that I’ve seen up to serial number 148. I know serial number 160 is the new batch, thus somewhere around number 150'ish is probably the transition. The new style boxes have several codes on the right side of the box including "30717-7" and "36917-7".

Just like the "9317-7" box code, there's a chance that a scope might have intact markings if it has the old "37916-7" box code. To my knowledge, all of the scopes with the newer box codes of "30717-7" and "36917-7" have had destroyed markings. You can always check the scopes that have these newer box codes, but I doubt that you'll ever find a scope with intact markings.

This is the scope being sold in this thread, it has a box code of "36917-7". There has never been a scope with intact markings found in a box that has this code on the label, so it's pretty much a 100% chance that removing the plaque on this scope will only reveal obliterated markings.

We don't know why some of the boxes have different labels and codes on them. All 300 scopes in this limited edition release are actual military contract overrun scopes, that's why they have the markings on the top of the objective housing in the first place. So, this is a legit scope, but with destroyed markings. We think that S&B boxes up the first batch of scope with intact markings and sent them out, then realized their mistake and recalled most of them. The ones they could get back had the markings removed and all further scopes from that point had their markings removed. That could also explain the change in labels as well, with a new box code for the destroyed markings modification. However, I'll freely admit that this is 100% speculation, and that we have no proof of what actually happened. It's just the current theory that makes the most sense.

I think we've found about half a dozen of limited edition PSR scopes with intact markings. There's probably less than 10 total of these limited edition PSR scopes that have ever been found with intact markings. These scopes sell for a massive premium because of their unused condition. They're actually worth more than the couple dozen legit military used surplus PSR scopes that came from DRMO and are now in private collections. The DRMO'd scopes are pretty beat up and some don't even function correctly, so collectors put a higher value on these limited edition PSR scopes with intact markings.

I hope my friend isn't upset that I'm sharing all of our research publicly (we're still trying to find scopes with intact markings), but we started looking at these scopes in 2017 and after 7 years of searching, we haven't found anymore scopes with intact markings. We had some luck 6 to 7 years ago, but nothing since then. I know that there's quite a few people still trying to find these scopes with intact markings, so I hope that this information is helpful!

 

[Defender3]

I believe there was a DRMO scope sold here in January, and as you said, it was pretty beat up.

For your files, he's a second PSR I have:

 

[USMCSGT0331]

I believe there was a DRMO scope sold here in January, and as you said, it was pretty beat up.

For your files, he's a second PSR I have:

I appreciate the photo! That one has the later date code and high serial number, so there's no chance that the scope will have intact markings.

Maybe a moderator could drop this thread over in the Vintage Section, since it now has historical/reference information in it.

 

[mojavejim]

I have #166, never removed badge. No need to now, I had the GRID reticle put in it a few years ago. It's still my go to PRS scope but over the years it seemed like the targets getting smaller made the Tremor2 kinda useless.

 

[Chachachanng]

Weird my box shows 17416-7

 

[Defender3]

Weird my box shows 17416-7

Post a picture.

 

[USMCSGT0331]

Weird my box shows 17416-7

Nothing weird, it's just a different box code, that's all. We know of at least 4 box code for these limited edition PSR scopes, so we'll just add this 5th one to the list. I bet there's a few more we haven't recorded. What's your scope's number out of the 300 limited edition (not the scope's actual serial number, what's the xxx/300 number)?

 

[Chachachanng]

Nothing weird, it's just a different box code, that's all. We know of at least 4 box code for these limited edition PSR scopes, so we'll just add this 5th one to the list. I bet there's a few more we haven't recorded. What's your scope's number out of the 300 limited edition (not the scope's actual serial number, what's the xxx/300 number)?

I’ve got 2 and the other one is a different box code too. I’ll take a pic of the label a little later. I think I’m mid 50’s.

 

[USMCSGT0331]

I’ve got 2 and the other one is a different box code too. I’ll take a pic of the label a little later. I think I’m mid 50’s.

Mid 50's serial number would definitely be worth checking out! Try using fishing line to pop off the plaque.

 

[N55]

As expected 290 was obliterated. Thank you for all the information!

 

[Charger442]

I believe there was a DRMO scope sold here in January, and as you said, it was pretty beat up.

For your files, he's a second PSR I have:

not beat up, just has paint on it. but definitely used. some rash on the turrets to be expected as something that been to the sand box and back

 

[Chachachanng]

Own two of these. This one has the different lot number and it’s illuminated. Gonna post this guy up for sale. But here’s a pic of the archives.

 

[USMCSGT0331]

As expected 290 was obliterated. Thank you for all the information!

Dang dude, that one isn't obliterated, it's very neatly destroyed! Seriously, some of the other S&B PSR limited edition scope were absolutely wrecked! The damage to your scope was very neatly done, and only the UID and NSN were blacked out. This actually looks like a legit military issued scope had 2 pieces of information carefully and thoughtfully redacted, which is exactly what happened to it. I've seen this careful engraving redaction on other PSR limited edition scopes that had a high serial number (the xxx/300 number).

When my friend and I were checking PSR limited edition scopes for intact markings many, many years ago, we didn't find many scopes that had the engravings neatly removed. Instead, we kept coming across absolute butcher jobs when we pulled the plaques off! I found the two photos below on the internet, and even though these aren't my photos, they show what is normally found underneath the plaque on the vast majority of the limited edition S&B PSR scopes. Obliteration!

In the photo below, the 3M tape hasn't been completely removed, but we can see that even the cage code that's right below the UID has been obliterated! If you look at the other photos above, the cage code and serial number are usually the engravings that survive defacing. However, the scope in the photo below could possibly have every single line of engraving obliterated (with the possible exception of the serial number).

The lowest limited edition serial number scopes (xxx/300 number) have the best odds of possibly having intact markings. The bulk of the bell curve in the middle of the limited edition serial number range has various degrees of severe engraving obliteration. The highest limited edition serial number scopes have the best odds of possibly having very neatly destroyed markings (just like @N55's PSR scope).

Obviously everyone prefers PSR scopes that have intact markings, but the carefully redacted scopes would be a nice consolation prize. I think that most people would pick @N55's PSR scope with neatly destroyed markings over one of the two PSR scopes photographed above with the brutally obliterated markings.

Also, the only time I ever use the word "obliterated" is when I'm discussing the defaced markings on these limited edition S&B PSR scopes. This is similar to how I only say the words "aardvark dick" when I'm discussing the Mk13 Mod 5 barrel profile. Lol, we should all keep using the word "obliterated" every time that we're discussing the obliterated markings on the limited edition S&B PSR scopes! It's to the point that these scopes are no longer PSR limited editions, they're now known as the S&B Obliterated Edition! Lol, who the fuck started this "obliterated" shit with the PSR limited editions? That had to have been part of a discussion 6 or 7 years ago on one of the forums. Ridiculous.

 

[Raven81]

Another update; I bought my PSR new, #45 and it’s de-milled. Bummer, but it’s still going on my MK13 mod 7 being built by Chris Higgins. I mean it’s still the legit glass contracted by MARSOC. I’ll keep the badge in the box; but I’ll just 3M Vetrap it cover SB’s art work

 

[VaderRubiconJK]

Another update; I bought my PSR new, #45 and it’s de-milled. Bummer, but it’s still going on my MK13 mod 7 being built by Chris Higgins. I mean it’s still the legit glass contracted by MARSOC. I’ll keep the badge in the box; but I’ll just 3M Vetrap it cover SB’s art work View attachment 8430006View attachment 8430008

The elusive 5 axis SE dremel mill strikes again.