Re: Sope Alignment - Lapping Bar all I Need?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Kokopelli</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Phil3</div><div class="ubbcode-body">You are assuming that the BORES of each ring and the virtual cylinders each forms extending out from the ring bores are parallel with one another. If they are not (parallel), then the point-to-point method fails.
Using the pens, imagine each has a ring on it. You can easily see how you can maintain point to point touch and move the pens (rings) around relative to one another. The Kokopelli product not only detects problems with misalignment in height and left to right, but also angular misalignment between the two virtual scope ring bores. Point to point can not measure angular misalignments.
- Phil
Ahhh, It does my heart good to hear such talk! I've only been at it for 15 1/2 years and the light is finlally beginning to shine!
To Mr. minor in mathematics: A simple first-semester high-school Geometry problem: Picture two equilateral triangles one atop the other, with vertical axes defined, standing point-to-point. You have no other information, just the triangles one atop the other. You do not know if the bases are in parallel or have any external information. Can you solve the problem of whether the vertical axex are in coincidence??
That is what you are looking at with the pointed bars. That they have cylinders attached to the bases of the triangles is immaterial to solving the problem. Can it be done?
My forty-seven years of making my living with mathematics, my training in the testing and adjusting of
all sorts of surveying instruments and many years of practical application of Plane and Solid Geometry, trigonometry and Sperical Trigonometry tells me NO IT CAN'T BE SOLVED!!! You are lacking one element to solve the problem of axial alignment. Flipping the triangle to bring the bases together, thereby placing the points internally within the cylinders changes the whole picture. Now, in the practical application of the geometry in the problem of axial alignment of the cyliders, and thus the scope rings, if the ends match, you have axial alignment! Dirt Simple!
Opinions have validity based upon several criteria. First, the speaker must have training, education if you will. Next they need the practical application of the subject or science being discussed. Lastly, they must have experience in the subject discussed, the more years, the more weight their opinion carries.
One hears many opinions expressed around the subject of guns and what it takes to make them shoot well. It's a very interesting subject and all have their opinions. The validity of those opinions must be weighed by the education, application and experience of the one giving the opinion. I frequent some forums riddled with top drawer benchrest shooters and the gunsmiths who make the guns they shoot. I just hide and watch and I learn a lot, but will not live long enough to be anywhere as good as those folks! When your car don't verk ya take it to da guy who can do da best job! Happy hunting!
Kokopelli
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You may have learned some, but not enough there teacher. Do you teach second or third grade? You are making a assumption that the cylinders have ends that are flat and that are cut at exactly 90 degrees to the cylinder. The problem is the people who make these thingss don't say that, they only say the points at centered. Now see, you learned something today.
