Scope for CZ 452 Silhouette

Re: Scope for CZ 452 Silhouette

Do you plan to compete with the rifle in the sport which it was named after? If so, then as far as optics go, this thread discussed this question recently; although, not very in-depth.

My take on silhouette scopes:

Most guys prefer reticles that aren't very busy. I don't really share this same thought process because I just ignore the mil-dots or whatever else is on the reticle. Silhouette shooters typically favor scopes with fine crosshairs and target dots. I definitely understand this preference as I feel it makes the task of aiming much more do-able then when you have to focus specifically on the intersection point of the crosshairs.

Magnification is usually relatively higher on these scopes than you would think. 6-24x is a popular range but most newbies tend to be more comfortable starting with a lower mag and taking small steps up until they find their comfort zone. Fixed power is fine if you are well adjusted to that specific power. Most of us prefer options, and so we'll opt for a variable in most cases.

Specific models will vary from shooter to shooter and especially with skill level and budget, but the favorites that I see most often on the good shooters rifles are(in no particular order): Weaver V-16(variable), T-24(fixed 24x), or T-36(fixed 36X); Sightron SII Big Sky 6-24x40mm; Bushnell 4200 6-24; or the most popular of the bunch, Leupold VX-3 6.5-20x40mm EFR.

All of these are fine scopes. They're all 400-900 though, so if your budget dictates less than that, don't fret. Anything with repeatable turrets (preferably exposed target turrets) will do.

Survival rifle/small game rifle scopes are up to personal preference as well. I feel that a "hunting" scope is typically a low magnification scope but everybody is different. I like easy target acquisition so a 1-4 or a 3-9 is ideal for that, but I also don't have much issue acquiring targets with a fixed 16x either. It just takes a little practice. You can make due with just about anything. That being said, I would HATE trying to hunt with a T-36... that would blow!

So I guess all in all I would still recommend a 6-24x or similar magnification range variable power scope for what you intend to use it for. That way you would still have a decently low power to use for close up hunting shots, and still be able to dial the magnification back up high for long range, target shooting, silhouette, or whatever you want. You would still have all the magnification in between too so you could easily try specific magnifications out to see what works the best for you.

Hope this helps!

-Dylan
 
Re: Scope for CZ 452 Silhouette

for a cheap optic for a .22lr i use my Burris FullField II 3-9x. it has a bullet drop on there that works for 50,75,100yrd shots. i don't shoot long range w/ .22lr.
 
Re: Scope for CZ 452 Silhouette

there's some scope / rifle stuff there pertaining to silhouette rifles and scopes.

http://www.snipershide.com/forum/ubbthre...050#Post3066050

a target dot or a fine crosshair is hard to beat for the silhouette game or anything shooting at known distances.

having finger adjustable turrets is practically essential.

adjustable objective lens is a good thing.

high magnification is not really an issue, i usually only go from 6x to 12x

on the cheap side, i just put a barska 6.5-20 target dot on my silhouette rifle - i have not used it yet in competition, so i don't know how it will hold up. some say it will last, others say not. so i'll just have to see. i've tried the bsa scopes and worn them out in 2 years.

PM clodhopper, he may have a good weaver t-16 target scope for a good price.
 
Re: Scope for CZ 452 Silhouette

If you want one that will last more than a year of Silhouette shooting, minimum Weaver t-16, middle price range Bushnell 4200 6-24, top of the line(with in reasonable weight) Leupold VXIII 8.5-25. All with the small dot reticle.
Cheap scope will come apart mid season and and you will be pissed you wasted money on it.

I have shot the bushnell 4200 6-24 3/8 dot for 4 years now with no problems.
 
Re: Scope for CZ 452 Silhouette

Looking at Weaver T16 or T24 for starters...

Or saving up for a variable Sightron SII Big Sky or SIII. Just not sure magnification range or reticle exactly.

Supposedly having too large of a objective bell diameter creates a mounting height rule/cheek weld issue/comfort issue?

Then the question of fine crosshair or target dot(what size?)?

1/4 or 1/8 moa clicks (even though I kind of wanted to stick with mil/mil, but there doesn't seem to be silhouette friendly reticles for it in mil)?
 
Re: Scope for CZ 452 Silhouette

I'm not sure why you sent this to me in a PM but I'll reply to it in your thread instead of through PM since you posted the same thing here.

I'm also going to break up your post into smaller sections because I'm agitated today and feel like being lazy.
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Mohonri</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Looking at Weaver T16 or T24 for starters...</div></div>

Of those two I would personally suggest going with the T16 if you can find one. I would still recommend that you stick with their V16 model though because I don't think they still make the T16 and it will cost you about the same for the V16 anyways. So you'll get a new scope vs a used scope, a variable power range instead of a fixed, and about the same price IIRC.

For further clarification:
- Weaver T16 is a FIXED power scope set at 16x
- Weaver V16 is a VARIABLE power scope with 4-16x

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Mohonri</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Or saving up for a variable Sightron SII Big Sky or SIII. Just not sure magnification range or reticle exactly.</div></div>

I'll stand behind my first recommendation of 6-24x and I'll also say the SII Big Sky model because it seems to be more popular in Silhouette circles than the SIII. Although take that with a grain of salt because I don't recall the difference between the two models in all honesty.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Mohonri</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Supposedly having too large of a objective bell diameter creates a mounting height rule/cheek weld issue/comfort issue?</div></div>

In silhouette, you will see that the purpose built rifles have 40-44mm objective lenses and they are hoisted up relatively high over the bore. This is okay because the stocks that they use have a much higher cheek weld and when you're in position, your head is much more upright when compared to shooting in prone. The problem you will run into is that your comb height cannot exceed the centerline of the bore. And your scope height is also regulated, although I don't recall what the restrictions are for both classes as far as that goes.

In reality, I wouldn't advise anything 50mm and over, but there shouldn't really be any problems making them work. Ideally I'd say a 44mm obj. is perfect.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Mohonri</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Then the question of fine crosshair or target dot(what size?)?</div></div>

Short answer - Both. I believe most reticles (minus the custom ones) will have an 1/8 MOA dot and fine crosshairs. Some silhouette shooters like a much larger dot but you can have that added later if you decide it's worth the money.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Mohonri</div><div class="ubbcode-body">1/4 or 1/8 moa clicks (even though I kind of wanted to stick with mil/mil, but there doesn't seem to be silhouette friendly reticles for it in mil)?</div></div>

1/4 MOA clicks whenever applicable. Don't let this be a deciding factor though. The reason I say 1/4 is because it will allow you to get re-zero'd much faster. It won't be as pin-point accurate but I've never met someone that could actually take advantage of 1/8 MOA clicks in a practical rifle. For silhouette, 1/8 MOA is definitely NOT needed. Benchrest on the other hand, may benefit. But I highly doubt it. My vote goes to 1/4 clicks all the way, every day of the year.

Hope this helps.

-Dylan