I am newer into the prs game and have been using an nx8 4-32 for my first few matches. I am using the moar reticle (I know, I’m not switching yet, lol). I feel this reticle isn’t the most useful and also think that it is too thick for my liking. I really don’t mind anything else about the scope. Haven’t had any trouble getting behind it as a lot of people talk about that. I am thinking of getting the moa xt reticle and am debating between the nx8 again or the atacr 7-35. Im not super fond of running a tree but I like everything else about the reticle. One question I have is if the glass is that much better that it would actually be of benefit in helping to see where it impacts on plate. I know there is more to it than that but wondering if it would help. The price is really stretching my budget but I have no where to look first hand so looking for some opinions if it is worth the cost over the nx8. I am open to other suggestions also but these are the main two I am looking at mainly for the reticle. I don’t mind leupold pr2 reticle but I just am not extremely trusting of them with all the problems I see online with their tracking. Any input would be appreciated
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Rifle Scopes Scope help for prs….atacr vs nx8 vs….
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If you're prepared to spend ATACR money... Look into these as well... Better glass (Austrian SCHOTT), and some of the best turrets on the market (in my opinion).
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I really just asked the question about optics between a few scopes and the difference in resolution and if one is worth the money over the other. I understand that moa is the devil. I do kind of think of it in inches (lol) but that really has nothing to do with it any more for me. It is a ruler, as is mils. Not saying switching isn’t the way to go, I just have too many optics in moa already and though I have thought of just having my comp gun in mils, I am one who likes everything to be the same as much as possible or it messes with my ocd. I have two other buddies that I shoot with a lot and we are all shooting moa now. If I was going to shoot 15 matches or more a year and think I was going to be at the top, I would probably switch. With the time I have, that just isn’t likely.
Fair enough! If you like the scope, but want to try a new reticle, go for it. Better glass could be a difference maker in some lighting conditions. But you’ve already seen how NX8 glass does for you in a match setting. If it works for you, that’s what I’d recommend instead of stretching your budget, like you say.
I have an NX8 2.5-20 and think the glass quality sucks compared to basically everything else. It fish bowls bad. It serves it's purpose for me but I begrudgingly live with it. The 4-32 may be better with the better erector.
If you are shooting comps with known distances and have the time to enter data into a kestrel then I get why a tree reticle isn't needed. I find they are great for unknown distances with a weapon mounted rangefinder. Tag and bag. They also shine on gas guns.
If you are in the $2000 dollar range, I would hunt for a used S&B with the P4FL reticle (assuming they have an MOA version). They usually go for around $2000-2100 if you are patient. Recently looked through comparisons between my S&B PMII 5-25 and a friend's ZCO. They were definitely on par with each other.
If you are shooting comps with known distances and have the time to enter data into a kestrel then I get why a tree reticle isn't needed. I find they are great for unknown distances with a weapon mounted rangefinder. Tag and bag. They also shine on gas guns.
If you are in the $2000 dollar range, I would hunt for a used S&B with the P4FL reticle (assuming they have an MOA version). They usually go for around $2000-2100 if you are patient. Recently looked through comparisons between my S&B PMII 5-25 and a friend's ZCO. They were definitely on par with each other.
You should take a look at a razor gen 3 with a mil reticle. I run both an nx8 and the razor. Razor is better for competition.
Just go to mils.
Just go to mils.
I'm pretty happy with my Burris Pro. Got a chance to use it beside a 5-25 TT and it's at least 90 if not 95% as good an image. It handles mirage a lot better than an xtr3.
I was thinking the razor as it gets a lot of love on here, just looking I seem to be more fond of the xt reticle
Why the hate for the nx8 by some and some love it. I am not arguing only asking as that’s the best scope that I have used. Which I have not used many. Started as a hunting optic as it checked a lot of boxes and then me liking to use the same thing, I just started using it for prs when I started it.
The ATACR has better glass. ‘Worth it’ is subjective to personal opinions. I own some atacr and nxs, but no nx8.
Is your nx8 first focal plane or second? You didn’t say.
If it is second focal then in the ATACR you can get moar-T which has a much finer reticle.
But first focal plane (recommended) in the ATACR the reticles aren’t overly thick.
Is your nx8 first focal plane or second? You didn’t say.
If it is second focal then in the ATACR you can get moar-T which has a much finer reticle.
But first focal plane (recommended) in the ATACR the reticles aren’t overly thick.
I have all ffp scopes. I would imagine my reticle is also larger because of the large mag range. When I look at the specs of the moar vs moaxt reticle, the xt is a bit thinner. One thing I would also really like is the center dot instead of cross hair and the labeling of the hash marks instead of ever 10
I see. Well the moa-xt has a center dot and looks like labeling every 2 moa?
Which Nightforce ?? Hellllp
Ok so having SAC build me a custom 7PRC, I’m calling it a hunting rifle but will shoot steel more than anything. So I don’t want a large heavy scope like my ATACR 5-25 So I’m thinking NX8 2.5-20 Or the 4x32 I like the low of the 2.5 but the higher magnification of the 32. Haven’t looked...
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Nothing wrong with the NX8, it's a great lightweight hunting scope. There's just better and cheaper alternative for the PRS game that's all.
Correct. Thats what I liked about it. Not real fond of a tree but have only had one awhile back before I really knew how to use it. I just hope it’s not too much clutter
For me the image is the worst behind S&B scopes, Leupold Mk5s, and some Vortex. My older PST Gen I 2-10 has better glass.
The zero stop is cool that you can dial down for another load or a speed drop, but I have had mine seize up many times and then it's a PITA to zero.
The zero stop is cool that you can dial down for another load or a speed drop, but I have had mine seize up many times and then it's a PITA to zero.
I'm as old as dirt, was well set into moa scopes and thinking.
For short range still prefer it.
Then finally got an inexpensive .mil scope for an ar.
The math is way easier, for example dialing up 1.6 mil instead of 23 clicks to get the same result (example only).
The corrections at any distance are easier.
Seriously it was not hard to learn in a couple of trips once you get hold of one.
For short range still prefer it.
Then finally got an inexpensive .mil scope for an ar.
The math is way easier, for example dialing up 1.6 mil instead of 23 clicks to get the same result (example only).
The corrections at any distance are easier.
Seriously it was not hard to learn in a couple of trips once you get hold of one.
Another vote for vortex gen 3. I have a Gen. 2 and wish I would have just ponied up for the gen 3. Steiner t6xi looks interesting to me as well.
Part of the reason people are telling you Mil is for communication purposes. When you’re a new shooter, usually the more experienced guys will be helpful. After a stage (or maybe during), you might hear something like “two tenths strong!” Which translates to, you’re holding .2 mil too much against the wind. But if MOA works for you, go for it
Part of the reason people are telling you Mil is for communication purposes. When you’re a new shooter, usually the more experienced guys will be helpful. After a stage (or maybe during), you might hear something like “two tenths strong!” Which translates to, you’re holding .2 mil too much against the wind. But if MOA works for you, go for it
I've never seen an issue with my friends' NX8 4-32s. People like to talk trash on its optics, but I kind of wonder if that's more of a 2.5-20 NX8 thing. I get spanked in PRS and NRL22 on the regular with guys running NX8s.
If you MUST go MOA, then the MOA-XT seems to be decent. I will say, everyone on the line will hate you for being a MOA guy, and sharing wind call data is going to be a mess. I don't recommend it, but you do you, I guess.
NX8 Turrets are kind of meh, especially compared with an ATACR.
If you MUST go MOA, then the MOA-XT seems to be decent. I will say, everyone on the line will hate you for being a MOA guy, and sharing wind call data is going to be a mess. I don't recommend it, but you do you, I guess.
NX8 Turrets are kind of meh, especially compared with an ATACR.
lol! I have already been looked at funny when someone asked me what I held! I actually have a conversion chart so I can understand what they say. But part of me wants to do it on my own and not be influenced what some else is doing. I got screwed by doing that in my first match. I am not worried about understanding mils, just don’t want to change over 7-8 scopes
That could be a different issue. I used to listen to what better shooters were holding in terms of Mils. I’d try the same and miss (even when it’s the same caliber). Then I figured out to ask what they held in wind. Were they holding 5 mph full value or 7 mph full value? Use your dope card for that wind value and make hits.
It was my first match and I just completely messed it up. He did a quick conversion for me in his head from mils to moa and I went out and tried it and did the worst stage I did that day. Honestly I am happy about it as I learned from that. I understand the mph deal too but not at that point. I have progressively gotten better each match and the last one I did I placed pretty high and only did what I thought instead of listening to others.
They offer them both for finger and toe counters, as well...
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That's surprising to hear. I don't notice a lot of coma, but at the same time I also don't spend time looking at the edges.
I usually don't either but it's hard to miss. I may send it back to NF to have them look at it.
The word on the street is that older NX8’s had poorer optics, and that NF must’ve did a stealth upgrade at some point.
I’ve never looked through an Atacr, but my NX8 4-32 thus far seems on par with my Razor G2 4.5-27 and S&B 5-25. It’s sharp as heck and handles CA well. Pretty easy to get behind.
Maybe I got lucky. Don’t like the locking diopter however. Fast focus eyepieces rock.
I’d wager that your raw optics aren't holding you back. Maybe your reticle is.
I’ve never looked through an Atacr, but my NX8 4-32 thus far seems on par with my Razor G2 4.5-27 and S&B 5-25. It’s sharp as heck and handles CA well. Pretty easy to get behind.
Maybe I got lucky. Don’t like the locking diopter however. Fast focus eyepieces rock.
I’d wager that your raw optics aren't holding you back. Maybe your reticle is.
Thank you. I did look at those and really did consider the razor also. I hear a lot of people say to get the reticle you like best and I think it’s still the xt reticle.They offer them both for finger and toe counters, as well...
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I will give some thought on that! I know the reticle is my main problem, and I don’t think by any means better glass will make it really easy to see everything maybe help here and there but maybe not. Thanks for your input
I’m one of those dumb MOA shooters too. I really like my 4-32 NX8 but the Kahles MOAK is my favorite reticle. Leupold has a good MOA option as well in their Mark5 line.
I prefer the floating dot of the Kahles over the crosshair of the NF but neither helps/hurts me.
I prefer the floating dot of the Kahles over the crosshair of the NF but neither helps/hurts me.
A lot of good advice in this thread. I'd just point out that if budget is a concern, I'd encourage you to look at the new Leupold Mk4HD's. They're a lot of glass for the money, and their PR2 reticle is a very clean tree reticle (which IMHO you will need in a PRS match at some point; holdover stages, in wind, almost require it for small'ish tagets). Plus, they're fairly lightweight.
