It has been said that a 30-06 can take any game on the face of the earth with good bullet selection and shot placement. The largest game that has been taken in my family was a 1800lb cape buffalo shot by my great grand father who is still alive at 91 and hunts today. The bullet he used was a 180 or 200gr nosler partition i believe in the early 60s which he took a number of brown bear in Alaska and Canada also. I want a good 30-06 load i can use to 1 shot drop brownies in Alaska like my great grand father did. any suggestions?
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Hunting & Fishing serious brown bear grizzley load 30-06
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Re: serious brown bear grizzley load 30-06
Heavy monolithic bullets like the Hornady GMX or a DGS of some sort, the Partition is still a good bullet.
Use H4831sc, H4350, RL17, RL22 for a propellant.
Heavy monolithic bullets like the Hornady GMX or a DGS of some sort, the Partition is still a good bullet.
Use H4831sc, H4350, RL17, RL22 for a propellant.
Re: serious brown bear grizzley load 30-06
my great grandfather said something about 4350 that you can use for anything and what about cape buffalo if i were come across that opportunity.
my great grandfather said something about 4350 that you can use for anything and what about cape buffalo if i were come across that opportunity.
Re: serious brown bear grizzley load 30-06
Nostalgia is great, but I am not sure it is that great. Have you seen the size of a Brown bear?? I have, I would not feel comfortable with a '06, what happens if you wound him, he will be pissed...an then you wish you did not have that '06, but a 600 Nitro
. Always possible to do, just would not be my cup of tea. Just makes sure if you do use a '06, hunt with a buddy for safety sake. By the way make sure you can run faster than your buddy.
Nostalgia is great, but I am not sure it is that great. Have you seen the size of a Brown bear?? I have, I would not feel comfortable with a '06, what happens if you wound him, he will be pissed...an then you wish you did not have that '06, but a 600 Nitro
. Always possible to do, just would not be my cup of tea. Just makes sure if you do use a '06, hunt with a buddy for safety sake. By the way make sure you can run faster than your buddy.Re: serious brown bear grizzley load 30-06
true but the 30-06 is all i have and i been shooting it for a very long time and became comfortable with it and i reload them constantly. Just like my great grandfather but he also has a 338 win mag and just shot a 225lb black bear with it after he turned 90 lol.
true but the 30-06 is all i have and i been shooting it for a very long time and became comfortable with it and i reload them constantly. Just like my great grandfather but he also has a 338 win mag and just shot a 225lb black bear with it after he turned 90 lol.
Re: serious brown bear grizzley load 30-06
My hat is off to your Grandfather, I am sure everyone on here hopes to be in his position one day. Bet he has some tales to tell, take advantage of it and listen, better than any book you will ever read.
My hat is off to your Grandfather, I am sure everyone on here hopes to be in his position one day. Bet he has some tales to tell, take advantage of it and listen, better than any book you will ever read.
Re: serious brown bear grizzley load 30-06
as long as you dont talk about ww2 he is nice otherwise he turns into a racist man real quick
as long as you dont talk about ww2 he is nice otherwise he turns into a racist man real quick
Re: serious brown bear grizzley load 30-06
"30-06......Brown Bear Alaska... Cape Buffalo if I get the opportunity.....any suggestions"
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"30-06......Brown Bear Alaska... Cape Buffalo if I get the opportunity.....any suggestions"
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Re: serious brown bear grizzley load 30-06
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Joel.B</div><div class="ubbcode-body">"30-06......Brown Bear Alaska... Cape Buffalo if I get the opportunity.....any suggestions"
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What Joel said.....
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Joel.B</div><div class="ubbcode-body">"30-06......Brown Bear Alaska... Cape Buffalo if I get the opportunity.....any suggestions"
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What Joel said.....
Re: serious brown bear grizzley load 30-06
seabass, To anwser your ? Yes a 30-06 has and still does kill brown bears.The Nosler 200gr or 220gr Partition work's as does a Barnes TSX.I would rather have a cilent who can shoot his weapon and put the bullet were it needs to go than have a cilent who can not shoot a large caliber rifle well.Many outfit's have a minm.caliber for brown bear are's is 338cal. I know some outfitters that require 375 cal and up.The closer the better with big bears.I have hunter's to with in 20yds on bears,useally when a bear gets shot hopefully he heads towards the pucker brush.Away from he's pain,but sometimes if they are not broken down things can get pretty intense!The closet i had to stop a bear was 14' and he was hit a total of 5 times with my cilent and i shooting 375 H&H.When sh##t hits the fan there is no such thing as being under gunned.Again it's about bullet placement,a doulbed lung shot bear can still go 100yds plus.Why there heart rate is about 40bpm they can cover alot of ground in a heart beat.Take care best of luck...waggs
seabass, To anwser your ? Yes a 30-06 has and still does kill brown bears.The Nosler 200gr or 220gr Partition work's as does a Barnes TSX.I would rather have a cilent who can shoot his weapon and put the bullet were it needs to go than have a cilent who can not shoot a large caliber rifle well.Many outfit's have a minm.caliber for brown bear are's is 338cal. I know some outfitters that require 375 cal and up.The closer the better with big bears.I have hunter's to with in 20yds on bears,useally when a bear gets shot hopefully he heads towards the pucker brush.Away from he's pain,but sometimes if they are not broken down things can get pretty intense!The closet i had to stop a bear was 14' and he was hit a total of 5 times with my cilent and i shooting 375 H&H.When sh##t hits the fan there is no such thing as being under gunned.Again it's about bullet placement,a doulbed lung shot bear can still go 100yds plus.Why there heart rate is about 40bpm they can cover alot of ground in a heart beat.Take care best of luck...waggs
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Seabass, I am sure he has his reasons. There was a guy in town that was a survivor of the Bataan Death March at the beginning of WW2, He would not even ride in a Japanese car, He had his reasons also.
Seabass, I am sure he has his reasons. There was a guy in town that was a survivor of the Bataan Death March at the beginning of WW2, He would not even ride in a Japanese car, He had his reasons also.
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same with him he drives only american made cars. he was in iwo jima and still has his 1903 springfield. i think i will go with the nosler partitions or trophy bonded bear claw
same with him he drives only american made cars. he was in iwo jima and still has his 1903 springfield. i think i will go with the nosler partitions or trophy bonded bear claw
Re: serious brown bear grizzley load 30-06
If you are going hunting for mountain bears 30-06 has plenty of what you need. Shots are usually 100 yards or more and if you place the shot well I guarantee a dead bear.
Coastal brown bears are a different matter.
They are bigger (sometimes a lot bigger), the shooting range is often at spitting distance, and the bears are often wet....Wet fur shreds weak bullets and can diminish penetration significantly.
Further to the close range problem is a resting bears heart beats at 10 beats a minute...Take it out and the bear doesn't miss it for a while (could be a problem for our 30-06 totting hunter). Most experienced Grizz hunters try to smash both shoulders (making the bear running a non issue), then place a finishing shot into the heart/lungs.
Generally speaking bullet placement is everything however the first time one gets a look at a mature bear that 30 cal hole will be far (FAR) from comforting.
When I took a friend on a coastal bear hunt his flabbergasted description pretty much summed it up. "That's not a fucking bear that's a fucking minivan on legs!".
Then a few minutes later, "Can I borrow you 416!?"
It really wasn't a question.
Peace
If you are going hunting for mountain bears 30-06 has plenty of what you need. Shots are usually 100 yards or more and if you place the shot well I guarantee a dead bear.
Coastal brown bears are a different matter.
They are bigger (sometimes a lot bigger), the shooting range is often at spitting distance, and the bears are often wet....Wet fur shreds weak bullets and can diminish penetration significantly.
Further to the close range problem is a resting bears heart beats at 10 beats a minute...Take it out and the bear doesn't miss it for a while (could be a problem for our 30-06 totting hunter). Most experienced Grizz hunters try to smash both shoulders (making the bear running a non issue), then place a finishing shot into the heart/lungs.
Generally speaking bullet placement is everything however the first time one gets a look at a mature bear that 30 cal hole will be far (FAR) from comforting.
When I took a friend on a coastal bear hunt his flabbergasted description pretty much summed it up. "That's not a fucking bear that's a fucking minivan on legs!".
Then a few minutes later, "Can I borrow you 416!?"
It really wasn't a question.
Peace
Re: serious brown bear grizzley load 30-06
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: X-fan</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
<span style="color: #FF0000">When I took a friend on a coastal bear hunt his flabbergasted description pretty much summed it up. "That's not a fucking bear that's a fucking minivan on legs!".
Then a few minutes later, "Can I borrow you 416!?"</span>
It really wasn't a question.
Peace </div></div>
That is funny sh*t!! Was it a 416 Ruger Alaskan?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: X-fan</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
<span style="color: #FF0000">When I took a friend on a coastal bear hunt his flabbergasted description pretty much summed it up. "That's not a fucking bear that's a fucking minivan on legs!".
Then a few minutes later, "Can I borrow you 416!?"</span>
It really wasn't a question.
Peace </div></div>
That is funny sh*t!! Was it a 416 Ruger Alaskan?
Re: serious brown bear grizzley load 30-06
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: X-fan</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
a resting bears heart beats at 10 beats a minute...
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Thats hibernating. Even normal sleeping its 40-50 bpm.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: X-fan</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
a resting bears heart beats at 10 beats a minute...
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Thats hibernating. Even normal sleeping its 40-50 bpm.
Re: serious brown bear grizzley load 30-06
Have hunted Brown Bear on Afognak, Baranof, and Admiralty Islands. I carried a 375 RUM. Had a bunch of non aggressive close encounters and after a while my RUM started to look smallish. I'm sure a 06 would do the job as I have seen Inuit kill Polar Bears with a 243. Unless it is a CNS hit, it is probably going to take many shots, potentially allowing the bear to escape to cover or get in your face. I finally got my bear and the 300 gr A frame went in the facing shoulder, dismantled the heart/lungs, trashed the opposite shoulder and lodged itself just under the hide on the opposite side. This was from 25 yards. My second shot impacted 2 inches behind the first and made a clean pass through. The bear no longer had the use of its front legs but was quite alive for several minutes. Don't have time to look up the ballistics but I'm pretty sure the RUM would have twice the energy of the 06 at that range. I don't want to discourage you as I've seen your multiple threads on this and understand it is your grandads gun but there are probably better tools for the job. If I had to use a 06 on big coastal browns, I would not take a shot over 100 yards, only take broadside shots, and aim for the ear hole only. Good luck!
Have hunted Brown Bear on Afognak, Baranof, and Admiralty Islands. I carried a 375 RUM. Had a bunch of non aggressive close encounters and after a while my RUM started to look smallish. I'm sure a 06 would do the job as I have seen Inuit kill Polar Bears with a 243. Unless it is a CNS hit, it is probably going to take many shots, potentially allowing the bear to escape to cover or get in your face. I finally got my bear and the 300 gr A frame went in the facing shoulder, dismantled the heart/lungs, trashed the opposite shoulder and lodged itself just under the hide on the opposite side. This was from 25 yards. My second shot impacted 2 inches behind the first and made a clean pass through. The bear no longer had the use of its front legs but was quite alive for several minutes. Don't have time to look up the ballistics but I'm pretty sure the RUM would have twice the energy of the 06 at that range. I don't want to discourage you as I've seen your multiple threads on this and understand it is your grandads gun but there are probably better tools for the job. If I had to use a 06 on big coastal browns, I would not take a shot over 100 yards, only take broadside shots, and aim for the ear hole only. Good luck!
Re: serious brown bear grizzley load 30-06
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: EBM</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: X-fan</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
<span style="color: #FF0000">When I took a friend on a coastal bear hunt his flabbergasted description pretty much summed it up. "That's not a fucking bear that's a fucking minivan on legs!".
Then a few minutes later, "Can I borrow you 416!?"</span>
It really wasn't a question.
Peace </div></div>
That is funny sh*t!! Was it a 416 Ruger Alaskan? </div></div>
Nope, 416 Rigby.
This happened long before Ruger even though of the short gun thing.
Teamr2,
I too have a 375 Ultra...I love that gun...Shoots really good too!!
I'm in the process of building another custom 416 Ultra (375/416)...Ever tried a 416?
Peace
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: EBM</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: X-fan</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
<span style="color: #FF0000">When I took a friend on a coastal bear hunt his flabbergasted description pretty much summed it up. "That's not a fucking bear that's a fucking minivan on legs!".
Then a few minutes later, "Can I borrow you 416!?"</span>
It really wasn't a question.
Peace </div></div>
That is funny sh*t!! Was it a 416 Ruger Alaskan? </div></div>
Nope, 416 Rigby.
This happened long before Ruger even though of the short gun thing.
Teamr2,
I too have a 375 Ultra...I love that gun...Shoots really good too!!
I'm in the process of building another custom 416 Ultra (375/416)...Ever tried a 416?
Peace
Re: serious brown bear grizzley load 30-06
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: teamr2</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> Don't have time to look up the ballistics but I'm pretty sure the RUM would have twice the energy of the 06 at that range. </div></div>
It's not so much the energy, it's the caliber. Those tiny 30 caliber bullets just don't like to hold together unless you are shooting solids or an all copper bullet. I have said in another thread that I watched a big brownie take 11 shots with a 300WSM before it stopped biting stuff. I personally don't trust a .30 for dangerous game. I carry a 375 H&H loaded with 350 grain solids and the bears still have the advantage. Proceed with extreme caution and always have a backup shooter on target.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: teamr2</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> Don't have time to look up the ballistics but I'm pretty sure the RUM would have twice the energy of the 06 at that range. </div></div>
It's not so much the energy, it's the caliber. Those tiny 30 caliber bullets just don't like to hold together unless you are shooting solids or an all copper bullet. I have said in another thread that I watched a big brownie take 11 shots with a 300WSM before it stopped biting stuff. I personally don't trust a .30 for dangerous game. I carry a 375 H&H loaded with 350 grain solids and the bears still have the advantage. Proceed with extreme caution and always have a backup shooter on target.
Re: serious brown bear grizzley load 30-06
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: X-fan</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: EBM</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: X-fan</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
<span style="color: #FF0000">When I took a friend on a coastal bear hunt his flabbergasted description pretty much summed it up. "That's not a fucking bear that's a fucking minivan on legs!".
Then a few minutes later, "Can I borrow you 416!?"</span>
It really wasn't a question.
Peace </div></div>
That is funny sh*t!! Was it a 416 Ruger Alaskan? </div></div>
Nope, 416 Rigby.
This happened long before Ruger even though of the short gun thing.
Teamr2,
I too have a 375 Ultra...I love that gun...Shoots really good too!!
I'm in the process of building another custom 416 Ultra (375/416)...Ever tried a 416?
Peace </div></div>
X-fan, Yep the 375 RUM hits like the fist of an angry god... on both ends. I had Mark Bansner build me one that weighs in at 8lbs with scope and all. It has a brake but is still an eye opener. That 416 RUM would be really cool especially on the African stuff. Lately I've been dicking around with a Winchester M70 Classic SS in 375 H&H. Bone stock but is a lot of fun. I took it to Texas a couple weeks back for a doe shoot at my buddies ranch. Were shooting 100lb does out to 300 yards with 260gr Partitions. Good fun.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: X-fan</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: EBM</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: X-fan</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
<span style="color: #FF0000">When I took a friend on a coastal bear hunt his flabbergasted description pretty much summed it up. "That's not a fucking bear that's a fucking minivan on legs!".
Then a few minutes later, "Can I borrow you 416!?"</span>
It really wasn't a question.
Peace </div></div>
That is funny sh*t!! Was it a 416 Ruger Alaskan? </div></div>
Nope, 416 Rigby.
This happened long before Ruger even though of the short gun thing.
Teamr2,
I too have a 375 Ultra...I love that gun...Shoots really good too!!
I'm in the process of building another custom 416 Ultra (375/416)...Ever tried a 416?
Peace </div></div>
X-fan, Yep the 375 RUM hits like the fist of an angry god... on both ends. I had Mark Bansner build me one that weighs in at 8lbs with scope and all. It has a brake but is still an eye opener. That 416 RUM would be really cool especially on the African stuff. Lately I've been dicking around with a Winchester M70 Classic SS in 375 H&H. Bone stock but is a lot of fun. I took it to Texas a couple weeks back for a doe shoot at my buddies ranch. Were shooting 100lb does out to 300 yards with 260gr Partitions. Good fun.
Re: serious brown bear grizzley load 30-06
My buddy shot a 58" bull moose two years ago.
The shot was just short of 200yds with the moose in high gear. At the shot the old swamp Donkey folded like it was shot between the eyes so we figure the shot was good...Wasn't until we got up to it that we realized he had gut shot the animal!
No vitals no nothing and dead as a doornail...On a thousand pound moosse?!! That got my attention.
The 270grTSX really hits hard.
I am on my third 375Rum and I had this one built at 9.25 pounds scoped. I find it very mild to shoot and it holds like a tank offhand.
My buddy shot a 58" bull moose two years ago.
The shot was just short of 200yds with the moose in high gear. At the shot the old swamp Donkey folded like it was shot between the eyes so we figure the shot was good...Wasn't until we got up to it that we realized he had gut shot the animal!
No vitals no nothing and dead as a doornail...On a thousand pound moosse?!! That got my attention.
The 270grTSX really hits hard.
I am on my third 375Rum and I had this one built at 9.25 pounds scoped. I find it very mild to shoot and it holds like a tank offhand.
Re: serious brown bear grizzley load 30-06
The '06 is a great all around cartridge, one of the best for loading <span style="font-style: italic">down</span> for blacktail and <span style="font-style: italic">up</span> for Elk.
Regarding shot placement, you could probably kill a Grizz with a <span style="font-style: italic">sharp</span> #2 pencil, but that Grizz aint gonna stand still while you do it. Any pissed off Grizz, or Sow with cubs charging in your general direction isn't going to give you much of an opportunity for shot placement.
I say go BIG & heavy so it will stay together until it can get to the vitals.
While I have not hunted Browns, I hunt mountain black's every year. I use a .45-70 handloaded 350 Hornady @ 2150 fps out of my Ruger #1, or Kodiak Double rifle, with one of my .500 JRH revolvers with 440 grns as back-up.
You can only load the '06 so heavy (220 grains and push it under 2000 fps) until you blow up the gun testing it's velocity potential.
I hope to hunt big browns some day, but when it happens, it certainly won't be with 30-'06.
I lost my last grandfather a few years ago. They were certainly a great generation. Now I adopt many codgers for Friday coffee just to hear their stories.
The '06 is a great all around cartridge, one of the best for loading <span style="font-style: italic">down</span> for blacktail and <span style="font-style: italic">up</span> for Elk.
Regarding shot placement, you could probably kill a Grizz with a <span style="font-style: italic">sharp</span> #2 pencil, but that Grizz aint gonna stand still while you do it. Any pissed off Grizz, or Sow with cubs charging in your general direction isn't going to give you much of an opportunity for shot placement.
I say go BIG & heavy so it will stay together until it can get to the vitals.
While I have not hunted Browns, I hunt mountain black's every year. I use a .45-70 handloaded 350 Hornady @ 2150 fps out of my Ruger #1, or Kodiak Double rifle, with one of my .500 JRH revolvers with 440 grns as back-up.
You can only load the '06 so heavy (220 grains and push it under 2000 fps) until you blow up the gun testing it's velocity potential.
I hope to hunt big browns some day, but when it happens, it certainly won't be with 30-'06.
I lost my last grandfather a few years ago. They were certainly a great generation. Now I adopt many codgers for Friday coffee just to hear their stories.
Re: serious brown bear grizzley load 30-06
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: WARDOG</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> Now I adopt many codgers for Friday coffee just to hear their stories. </div></div>
Ive been adopting old folks since I was 12. All my Granpas died before I got a chance to know them, so I went out and got new ones.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: WARDOG</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> Now I adopt many codgers for Friday coffee just to hear their stories. </div></div>
Ive been adopting old folks since I was 12. All my Granpas died before I got a chance to know them, so I went out and got new ones.
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I was lucky and grew up with both sets of grandparents.
The last one will likely go this week...98 years young...Its time and the old boy is more than ready.
I miss those days as a young lad spending time with my Grandfathers (and Grandmothers)...Doesn't get any better.
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I was lucky and grew up with both sets of grandparents.
The last one will likely go this week...98 years young...Its time and the old boy is more than ready.
I miss those days as a young lad spending time with my Grandfathers (and Grandmothers)...Doesn't get any better.
Peace
