Hunting & Fishing Shotgun slugs - Hornady SST bullet at 2000fps?

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screwed up big and went out to get food for my shotty yesterday...shelves were picked clean. Finally found two boxes of hornady SST's for good price (12 bucks a box) so i snatched them up. Fired 2, they touch at 50 yards, adjusted scope to 1.5" high at 50, dead at 100 or close to it, and can still reach out to 150 if need to, but won't.

Question is though...i've only hit one deer with the SST's and i've seen alot of mixed reviews on terminal ballistics for this round. The lightfields I normally use (or the Hastings laser accurate slug before they went under) are literally Thor's Hammer to whitetails. Have not had a single deer walk more than 20 yard after getting hit. The deer i hit withthe SST was hit high in the back and I severed the artery running along the backbone, she bled out in a few seconds.

Does anyone have pics of damage caused by SST slugs from a shotty? Rifle speeds seem to open these slugs up better and rated MV of the 12ga slug is over the 2000 fps mark. seems they open up better further out 75yd+ but the jury is out. I'll use them...they are all i have and they are accurate as anything else, and quite a bit flatter than anything else i've fed to the mossberg.
 
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noone? I'm gonna be throwing these into a doe this week...will def post results, but wondering if anyone has shot these yet. corrected thread title to gain interest (i hope)
 
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My experience with these slugs is that they laser accurate. I feed them through a H&R heavy barrel and can cut holes at $100 yards. Had a neighbor drop a doe at 200 yards with a mossberg bolt gun with these slugs. Be aware that these slugs are fast and accurate, but they DO NOT expand the way the slugs we're used to do. So there's a trade off, do you want to be accurate and get it in the boiler room at 100+ yards or have more expansion. You will get a through and through though....(we've never found a spent slug in the kill) It all comes down to make a good shot and the deer won't go far. I use sst bullets in my muzzleloader too and have had good luck with those. The remington 3" premier accutips are good slugs as well. They DO leave rather large wound channels. Just my experience with these products.
 
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i tried the remmy loads back when they were 21 bucks a box. grouped 5" at 100 yards out of my factory mossberg vented bbl...was not going back to them when the 12 dollar Hastings slugs were printing cloverleafs at 100. now that hastings is OOB, i'm considering rolling my own. www.slugsrus.com has the whole kit with a ROI at about 20 rounds or just 4 or 5 boxes of storebought ammo IIRC...Might have to get into reloading for the sabots :shrug:

But for now, i'll give the Hornady's a go. some of my areas are up close and personal, we'll see how they do. Assuming of course the local deer are more cooperative than the ones up at the farm this past weekend
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When did hastings go under? I missed that. One thing to add, the hornady sst slugs are not brush busters, don't even try it. But they're accurate enough if your gun like them that you can pick out that small hole in the brush and needle it through!
 
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I just found out another little interesting tidbit about the hornady slugs...

they are no longer stuffed with SST slugs, but with 300gr FTX slugs instead. THis changed this year, and is evident with the price drop of the slugs. they were running about 14 a box, now down to 12 on average, Dicks was running them at 9.99 a box last week.

plus...the FTX slugs are a little loose in the sabot...if you shake the rounds you can hear/feel them rattling. this alone has me a little nervous. Looks like i'm gonna be punching paper tomorrow morning before I take the artillery in the woods with me.

Hastings went under last year. There's still a handful of their barrels around but I can't find any of their slugs anywhere. A little history for those who give a shit...

the guy that runs the slugsrus website is the same guy that pitched the design of the slug and patent to Lightfield in the mid 90's. they ran with it for a while, then shipped production to south america. Slugsrus Guy (from now on just named "Guy") took the design, grabbed his ball and went home...offered his patent to Hastings...he tried Remington, but they said "we can do it better" and started the Buckhammer slugs which shoot like shit out of just about everyone's gun i've seen. Hastings and him had a fastastic relationship for the past 10+ years and they were really coming to a harmony with shotgun ballistics combining the 20ga and 16ga barrels with the hastings "Laser Accurate" slugs. the 12's were an afterthought but followed the same designs. The 12's shot fantastic out of my shotty, and just about everyone else's factory rifled mossberg 24" vented barrel as well.

I spoke with Guy for about an hour one day and we were talking about recipes for the slugs and he gave me some ideas with a couple different powders but I never bit the bullet so to speak to start reloading them. The one thing he did tell me to do (which I have not done yet) is to cut my barrel off just behind the ports and have it recrowned. Said the sabots get damaged when exiting the barrel and end up flying like an arrow with 2 vanes on it. Makes sense to me, i have assymetrical ports on the top of my barrel, 2 rows of 6 holes each, at 10 and 2 oclock. He told me to either cut the barrel or get a smith to duplicate the port pattern at EXACTLY 6 o'clock and i would see a significant increase in accuracy. I've always had an issue taking a drill or saw to a barrel, particularly one that does as well as my current setup...doing so would change the whole game for me and start me over with finding an accurate load. Might also gain me a very unwieldy 150 dollar paperweight.

Sorry for the book...gonna go relax with some BF2 for a bit i guess.
 
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All be damned, i didn't know they changed bullets. Of course that might be because i had my dealer order me a case of slugs a couple years ago and I'm still working on them. They were about $12/box when i got them too. That's no good, if the slug is loose in the sabot, that'd be like putting a .40 bullet in a .50 sabot shoving it down a front-stuffer and expecting to hit your target! I know i got lucky for once, first slug i tried through my H&R it loved, so i didn't even screw around just bought a bunch of that ammo. If they could design it so the slugs were tight in the sabot, the FTX bullets would probably deliver better terminal performance.

If you think about it, it really is amazing how far they've come in shotgun slug design and ballistics in the last 10-15 years. The bolt-action slug guns were definitely ahead of they're time. Guns were built good, just didn't have the right ammo to feed them with to realize they're full potential.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: JasonB</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The one thing he did tell me to do (which I have not done yet) is to cut my barrel off just behind the ports and have it recrowned. Said the sabots get damaged when exiting the barrel and end up flying like an arrow with 2 vanes on it. Makes sense to me, i have assymetrical ports on the top of my barrel, 2 rows of 6 holes each, at 10 and 2 oclock. He told me to either cut the barrel or get a smith to duplicate the port pattern at EXACTLY 6 o'clock and i would see a significant increase in accuracy. </div></div>

So i guess this is caused by the difference in pressure behind the sabot in the nanosecond before it leaves the barrel as the ports bleed off gas hunh? Kind of makes sense, but i think i would try to find an extra barrel to test that on before you go drilling/sawing on a known good barrel/system. I'd be a little nervous too.
 
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from the looks of pics on his page, the image of the back of the gas seal looks like it was attacked by a dull beaver. on the contrary, i've picked up spent "birdies" from my slug "rifle" and they do not have the piranha markings... I'm not in a big hurry to hacksaw my shotty. of any of my guns, this one has put more meat in the freezer than any other. 100 yard hits with the lightfields and hastings were the norm though usually i never shot past 50-60 yards. It's only in the past couple years that I got into centerfire and found this site looking for load data on the .308
 
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A buddy of mine clobbered a 4pt on Saturday with the 12ga SST slugs at 95yd.

No exit wound, but it didn't really matter. The buck only went about 10 steps and then piled up. The inside of the chest cavity looked like a bomb went off in there, not a single organ that wasn't blended.

He was pretty pleased with the performance.
 
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Okay, Glad i was thinking on the right lines then. Taking a hacksaw to something that you paid good money for and the effects of which may or may not make it better....No thanks! I just use my 12 gauge as a backup gun now days, last few years I've been using a muzzle-loader, and I've put more deer in the freezer with that bad boy then I care to think about. Several times I've shot two in one night. Besides, I like the challenge of knowing I only have one shot!
 
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Took a deer at 95 yards with the SST's recently. Hit it in the shoulder. Broke the shoulder going in, turned the lungs to soup literally, I had to scoop out the lungs with a cupped hand because they were the consistency of french onion soup. Found what was left of the slug under the hide after it poked through the offside shoulder as well. I weighed what I recovered of the jacket and slug and it weighed out at 169 grains. Not bad!
Deer made it 10 yards before stumbling another 15 and falling over.

And yes these slugs are laser accurate!
 
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good stuff guys, thanks for the input. I'm thinking most of the previous hooplah about the entry sized exits and full pass thru's were likely with the actual SST bullets and the FTX's were put substituted with current inventory of the sabot cups...once the rifling engages the cup, it squeezes down on the bullet. I took 2 slugs to the range today, punched one at 50, hit 2" high, dead center, and out at 100 hit 2" high dead center still with NO modification to scope. I'm considering the shotty ready to go. Taking thumper (the .308) for another walk tomorrow in the rain, and then it's slug season till mid january for me. Thanks again for the input. hoping to have a couple pics worthy of celebration with the new bottle of Captain Morgan black label tomorrow
 
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Sorry, only one pic, and it was in the face.

160 yards, 20 gauge....

On aside, I've got some 250 grain SST to try in my 50 cal Knight, to maybe replace the 240 XTP.

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I just bought a H&R USH 12ga....and am getting ready to start buying some slugs to try out. I have read some stories about the SST's also and its had me worried also. From the sound of it, lotta you guys have no problems with the SST's....hope I can get lucky too like 'Bornhunter04" with the first try and find something my USH likes....fingers crossed.

Sorry to hijack your thread JasonB but what scope you guys running on yalls slug guns? I'm weeding through the options now..
 
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JasonB - I'd say your gun likes those slugs alright! Good luck to ya! Also, i'd say your are correct about the new bullet/old sabot, that's kind of what i was thinking.

Tripwire - I switched to the 250 SST high speeds in my TC last year and put the smack down on 3 does with them. None of them went more the 50-60 yards very pleased. Seemed to do better than the powerbelts I'd been shooting!

wards75 - What's the USH model? As far as scope....buy something quality! DO NOT skimp out, slug guns are hard on scopes, period. Get a good set of rings too. I had a pair of old-style weavers that broke on my slug gun last year....thankfully i had an extra scope with me in an extra set of rings. But i've used Nikon Prostaff 3-9x40 and it held up and now i have a leupy vx-1 3-9x40 on it now. I have a burris fullfield 3-9x40 that was mounted on my muzzleloader at one point but the damn thing ran out of windage adjustment and shot nice groups 3" to the right (i just remembered to aim 3" to the left). I also tried 3 differant sets of rings before put a diff scope on it. But in all seriousness, get a good scope, you won't be sorry, why skimp out only to have it fail you when that buck of a lifetime steps out?
 
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I've tried a few scopes on my mossberg, and have gone back to the POS that came with the gun package 15 or so years ago. I've busted 2 red dots (one barska, one bushnell rebadge job), and a couple other cheap 3-9x40's. I'd say that BH04 is dead on with slug guns being punishing to scopes. Get something good. I'm quietly shopping for a new scope right now too, waiting for the right deal to come up. There was a flyer from Cameraland last week with some closeout stuff from Vortex...i was seriously thinking about dumping the 50 bucks on the 1-4x32 to try it out...have heard good things about the vortex line.
 
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Bornhunter04-- the USH is the H&R Ultra Slug Hunter, read a lot of good things about the H&R slug guns, hope it works out for me!

Yeah, I was planning on buying a good scope as I was thinking it would get a good punishment....been looking at the Vortex like a Crossfire or something, maybe Weaver or Burris too. Hell, who knows!

Thanks fellows!
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: bornhunter04</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
Tripwire - I switched to the 250 SST high speeds in my TC last year and put the smack down on 3 does with them. None of them went more the 50-60 yards very pleased. Seemed to do better than the powerbelts I'd been shooting!

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This sorta fits the discussion as shotguns and muzzleloaders are in a similar realm with saboted bullets and their performance. I don't give shotguns much thought because I'm not forced to use them where I live, but the muzzleloader is a viable tool for a good share of the Season here, both before and after regular rifle season.

I've used the 240 XTP bullet for years and years and have had excellent results with it...shots as close as 10 yards and as far out as 240 and 250 yards, with 250 yards being my personal limit with that bullet per respectable accuracy and a known terminal performance.

I'd like to try the 250 SST in an effort to stretch that performance out to 300 or 350 yards. I did a little work with it last year but didn't prove it out enough to be completely confident with it this year. With a charge of 110 to 120 grains of FFg I'm sure there will be plenty of thump at 300 yards, and I'm pretty sure the terminal performance of the bullet will be adequate at that range, but a large part of the equation is finding the right sabot to achieve the downrange shot placement. I've only tried one sabot with the 250 SST and had nothing else to compare it with. More experimentation is needed.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: flounderv2</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Im running a Vortex Viper PST 2.5-10 on my 12ga. Ill get a pic up later. </div></div>

I don't give a shit what the scope looks like on the gun...how's it holding up? like the optics? have you box tested the scope to see if the turrets are accurate and repeatable? Inquiring minds wanna know
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Tripwire</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
This sorta fits the discussion as shotguns and muzzleloaders are in a similar realm with saboted bullets and their performance. I don't give shotguns much thought because I'm not forced to use them where I live, but the muzzleloader is a viable tool for a good share of the Season here, both before and after regular rifle season.

I've used the 240 XTP bullet for years and years and have had excellent results with it...shots as close as 10 yards and as far out as 240 and 250 yards, with 250 yards being my personal limit with that bullet per respectable accuracy and a known terminal performance.

I'd like to try the 250 SST in an effort to stretch that performance out to 300 or 350 yards. I did a little work with it last year but didn't prove it out enough to be completely confident with it this year. With a charge of 110 to 120 grains of FFg I'm sure there will be plenty of thump at 300 yards, and I'm pretty sure the terminal performance of the bullet will be adequate at that range, but a large part of the equation is finding the right sabot to achieve the downrange shot placement. I've only tried one sabot with the 250 SST and had nothing else to compare it with. More experimentation is needed. </div></div>

This is what kills me about western PA laws... in allegheny county (pittsburgh area) and in the WMU's surrounding philly, it's shotty's and front stuffers only...but then there's guys who are tweaking the crap out of some nice front stuffers and getting range and velocity of good rifle calibers. I see absolutely no reason there could not be centerfire rifles allowed too..it boggles me.

I'm even considering doing some of my own reloading for my shotgun too, and some of the sabots available really open up the doors for some really nice ballistics out of a shotgun. experimentation with the shotgun and slugs will end up being as expensive as running a custom 50BMG (kidding) so i'm less likely to do it but still, it is in the realm of possible.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: JasonB</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
This is what kills me about western PA laws... in allegheny county (pittsburgh area) and in the WMU's surrounding philly, it's shotty's and front stuffers only...but then there's guys who are tweaking the crap out of some nice front stuffers and getting range and velocity of good rifle calibers. I see absolutely no reason there could not be centerfire rifles allowed too..it boggles me.
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Same here man. I can kind of understand up in central and northern IL since it's so damned flat, but you get down in the southern part of the state, think I-64 south and it's hilly as shit might as well let us use rifles! Those savage smokeless front-stuffers are amazing once you find a load it likes!
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: JasonB</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: flounderv2</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Im running a Vortex Viper PST 2.5-10 on my 12ga. Ill get a pic up later. </div></div>

I don't give a shit what the scope looks like on the gun...how's it holding up? like the optics? have you box tested the scope to see if the turrets are accurate and repeatable? Inquiring minds wanna know
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The pic was really just so you could see the fit of the scope and how it sits on the cantelever mount.

It holds up perfect and hits right where I aim. And yes its repeatable and tracks perfect. You have to remember that this is a shotgun with a max range of 200yards and a 4-6 inch group at 200. Considering the inherent accuracy or lack there of for Slugs(Compared to rifle rounds at least) Doing a box test isnt the best use of funds considering that the SST's are about $13 per 5. Now that shotgun season is over, Ill be pulling the PST off and throwing on my AR until next shotgun season. I'll be more than happy to run a box test there if you like however I know its tracking just fine. FYI, I have 3 PST's and a razor at this point. They all track perfect and holding up fine.

I have to say that the optics on the 2.5-20 PST amazed me for light gathering! I stayed in the woods until well after legal shooting time just to test out the light gathering capability of the scope. At almost complete darkness, at 50 yards with the naked eye, I couldn't make out much of anything in the woods other than the standard blurr you get during darkenss. Looking through the scope everything was as clear as could be and I could see perfectly fine out to 100 with complete clarity of very small objects and twigs. I actually watched a squirrel eating an acorn at about 80yards through the scope and when not using the scope, I couldnt even make out his movement as he was running around. Add the fact that it has a lighted reticle and you have a perfect hunting scope IMO.
 
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...means much as I'm looking at new scopes for next year...

This year almost ended well for me. I had 2 doe tags to fill, and got the green light to take my 8 yr old out with us. We sat on station until 930 when 2 doe came thru on a slow trot. This happened of course RIGHT after my son asked "daddy, WHEN are they gonna come?!?!"

I punched the first one just behind the shoulder, saw the slug hit, and she stutter stepped and took off with a little more zest. the second one came into my line and I sent one to her too, same spot, saw the hit.

Neither deer left a blood trail at all, but we followed the disturbed leaves up to the top of the hill and this is where I have to say just how much i hate this state, and urban hunting. Both does crashed in private property, in a homeowners back yard about 120 yards from where I shot them. I left my son back behind with my buddy while i circled the property to the front door to ask permission to enter and tag the deer. The guy FLIPPED his lid on me screaming about trespassers and blah blah blah. SO i called the game comission and a WCO came out and asked the guy if we could please tag and remove the deer from his property. He again denied us. It was explained to him that if the deer are moved, they will have to be tagged and that the WCO would be watching them. they will either have to be pulled off property (during which time SOMEONE would be "in possession" and must have a legal tag on them or face serious fines) or he will have to get a tag, tag it and keep it, or let them rot.

He chose "C"...not a great experience for my son for sure. The slugs did their job, and are dead nuts accurate. I will do my part to anchor the deer from now on though and take the blown up shoulder or neck if i get the chance. this is the first time i've had a deer make it that far after the 12 ga. thumps them.
 
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Man that sucks. I hope he's happy as those carcasses bloat and start to stink and the buzzards start circling.

Personally I hate tracking deer especially when they go through thick shit. I just go ahead and aim for the shoulders, even when i try to save them by shooting farther back they usually end up blood shot and not worth messing with, so i just say the hell with it.

In IL if some jackwagon won't let you go get your deer, all you have to do is call the game warden. If you can prove that it was shot on your side of the fence and then went over on their side before cashing in their chips, then they must allow you to recover your deer.
 
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i just harvested my first shotgun deer ever on saturday and i am firng the Hornady FTX bullets. I choose them because they were the most accurate out of my shotgun. I read mixed reviews as well but they shot true and i figured if i hit where i am then it will do the job. They dont expand very well, but they did the job pretty well. It was last light, last day and had to make it happen, it was a quartering towards shot which hit 1 lung, and stomach. The deer didn't go very far at all, as i watched it bowl over. The shot was 122 yards.

I will be definately using them again. I will also be looking for another slug that shoots as accurately. If i can find a slug that shoots as accurately, and expands, then i got the ticket. But i would rather a 300 grain slug hit its mark every time!! then a 400 grain slug that will turn whatever it hits inside out. Doesn't always work with a bad shot. Ill pick accuracy every time and with a 300 grain slug, it doessn't really need to expand that much to do its job. thats a pretty big bullet
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: matt_3479</div><div class="ubbcode-body">i just harvested my first shotgun deer ever on saturday and i am firng the Hornady FTX bullets. I choose them because they were the most accurate out of my shotgun. I read mixed reviews as well but they shot true and i figured if i hit where i am then it will do the job. They dont expand very well, but they did the job pretty well. It was last light, last day and had to make it happen, it was a quartering towards shot which hit 1 lung, and stomach. The deer didn't go very far at all, as i watched it bowl over. The shot was 122 yards.

I will be definately using them again. I will also be looking for another slug that shoots as accurately. If i can find a slug that shoots as accurately, and expands, then i got the ticket. But i would rather a 300 grain slug hit its mark every time!! then a 400 grain slug that will turn whatever it hits inside out. Doesn't always work with a bad shot. Ill pick accuracy every time and with a 300 grain slug, it doessn't really need to expand that much to do its job. thats a pretty big bullet </div></div>


What slugs did you try and what are you flinging them out of?
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: matt_3479</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
I will be definately using them again. I will also be looking for another slug that shoots as accurately. If i can find a slug that shoots as accurately, and expands, then i got the ticket. But i would rather a 300 grain slug hit its mark every time!! then a 400 grain slug that will turn whatever it hits inside out. Doesn't always work with a bad shot. Ill pick accuracy every time and with a 300 grain slug, it doessn't really need to expand that much to do its job. thats a pretty big bullet </div></div>

THIS! But seriouisly, what's the point of using something that's going to "hit harder" if you can't consistently hit your target! Also, if you don't have the confidence that your shot is going to go where you want it, then you won't take the more difficult shots (i.e. range, and needling that bullet through a small hole in the cover) Congrats on a good kill.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: wards75</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: matt_3479</div><div class="ubbcode-body">i just harvested my first shotgun deer ever on saturday and i am firng the Hornady FTX bullets. I choose them because they were the most accurate out of my shotgun. I read mixed reviews as well but they shot true and i figured if i hit where i am then it will do the job. They dont expand very well, but they did the job pretty well. It was last light, last day and had to make it happen, it was a quartering towards shot which hit 1 lung, and stomach. The deer didn't go very far at all, as i watched it bowl over. The shot was 122 yards.

I will be definately using them again. I will also be looking for another slug that shoots as accurately. If i can find a slug that shoots as accurately, and expands, then i got the ticket. But i would rather a 300 grain slug hit its mark every time!! then a 400 grain slug that will turn whatever it hits inside out. Doesn't always work with a bad shot. Ill pick accuracy every time and with a 300 grain slug, it doessn't really need to expand that much to do its job. thats a pretty big bullet </div></div>


What slugs did you try and what are you flinging them out of? </div></div>

I went and bought the Hornady SST's 2 3/4" shells and i shot them out of a 3" Browning Maxus MODB 28" tube with a Carlson Choke.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: bornhunter04</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: matt_3479</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
I will be definately using them again. I will also be looking for another slug that shoots as accurately. If i can find a slug that shoots as accurately, and expands, then i got the ticket. But i would rather a 300 grain slug hit its mark every time!! then a 400 grain slug that will turn whatever it hits inside out. Doesn't always work with a bad shot. Ill pick accuracy every time and with a 300 grain slug, it doessn't really need to expand that much to do its job. thats a pretty big bullet </div></div>

THIS! But seriouisly, what's the point of using something that's going to "hit harder" if you can't consistently hit your target! Also, if you don't have the confidence that your shot is going to go where you want it, then you won't take the more difficult shots (i.e. range, and needling that bullet through a small hole in the cover) Congrats on a good kill. </div></div>

Thank you,

the point i am trying to make. Accuracy before power. You could kill a deer with a 204 hitting it in the head or heart faster then a 50 cal BMG if you cant hit your mark.