SIG Blaser and Tactical 2 Experiences?

LoneWolfUSMC

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I just got word that my team will be getting a demo of new SIG Rifles. I don't know if it will be the Blaser 3000 or the Tactical 2.

Do any of you use these now? What are your opinions of them. Durability? Accuracy?

I have searched the forum and not found much info on them since they appear to be pretty pricey.

Please do NOT post other options in this thread. I am already looking at several. I am trying to get an idea of things to look at on THESE rifles. If warranted I will ask for input on some of the other options that we are currently examining/demo'ing.

Thanks
 
Re: SIG Blaser and Tactical 2 Experiences?

I have shot the LRS2 a few times. As for impression of the rifle itself, its a very interesting design. The straight pull bolt is awkward at first but very easy to get use. The ergos and balance are my favoite of all rifles as its very easy to shoot from a standing posiion which is not the case for me with most rifles in this class.

Now to parrot and sumarize the endless amount of info on the web LOL. Main complaint stems from a few accidents in the early Blaser hunting rifles blowing up and severly maiming at least two people. Since this happend the weak part in the bolt was replaced with a metal part vice the original plastic part. From what I have been able to find out this plastic part was never used on the tactical version as thos came out after the redesign.

Still I dont know if I would trust it in 300WM or 338LM just nothing to keep the bolt from going straight back if the collet fails. I have only shot it in 308 and I really liked the rifle but I think its a novelty when you compare it to others in the price range such as an AIAE or Sig 3000.

As for durability I cant say I have dragged one through the dirt but the shape and collet design dont seem to be designed for that use. If you are working in a Metro area its probably a viable option worth testing at least but again for the price I feel the AE or Sig is a better choice. I'm assuming this is for a LE role and yes I saw that you didnt want other opinions but you got them anyways LOL. Reason I mention the Sig 300 was that they share the same distributor so the rep who is working with your department I would think should also be able to provide the Sig's for T&E as well.

One last thing about the Blaser that could be a deciding point for your department is the ability to change calibers. The 338 is its own thing built on a larger reciver but from 223-300WM you can use the same rifle just need a caliber conversion consiting of a barrel, bolt and mag (not cheap).

Just re read you post I think you mean Sig 3000 not Blaser 3000. IMO The Sig is a very nice rifle, have yet to fire one but I have been fingering one for a few months and hands down the most glassy bolt ever and that includes the AI's. Other than trigger and bolt I dont have any further info on it but I have yet to read anything negative so it cant be a bad rifle or the internet bashers would have disected it by now.

R/
Gordon
 
Re: SIG Blaser and Tactical 2 Experiences?

Sorry. For clarification, I believe these are the two that will be demo'ed:

SIG Tactical 2
http://www.sigsauer.com/Products/ShowCatalogProductDetails.aspx?categoryid=31&productid=246
LRS2-detail-R.jpg


SIG SSG 3000
http://www.sigsauer.com/Products/ShowCatalogProductDetails.aspx?categoryid=39&productid=213
SSG3000-detail-R.jpg


I would prefer a more "standardized" platform, but I am always open to evaluating different options.
 
Re: SIG Blaser and Tactical 2 Experiences?

Take a look at this article on the R93 Match/Semi-weight versions; http://www.blaserpro.com/articles/article17.php

The barrels for both of the rifles your testing are made by Blaser.

Anchor Station correctly points out the history on the R93 action but let me add one fact, the rifles that blew up (three to date out of over 180,000 produced) were loaded with pistol powder in magnum cases and all survived several firings before letting go. The Remington 700 averages 3 destructive failures a week and not a word is mentioned.

I know several guys who have used them in the sandbox and arctic without failure. It is a much more durable design than first impressions would lead one to belief.

Email me with any questions.
 
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Also keep in mind as far as calibers/barrels: the tactical 2 can use the .308, .300WM and .338 lapua. It CANNOT go down in caliber. If you want a caliber smaller than .308, you need to go with the LSR2.

I was set on the tactical 2 until I found this out. I most likely wil never shoot the .300wm or .338 lapua, but I will be shooting .223. So, if I go with a blaser, I would go the LSR2 route.
 
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I was under the impression that the Sig barrels were made by Border not Blaser.

Again looking at pros and cons, either the Sig or Blaser will be easier to replace the barrel for the end user but each offers only factory replcement as an option as the bolt lugs are integral to the barrel. Bit more than just screwing a new tube on.

Now for the good news...for 1400.00 you can shoot .22 RF through the Sig 3000 with a conversion. Hows that for a trainer!
 
Re: SIG Blaser and Tactical 2 Experiences?

Borders are one of the barrel makers for the SSG 3000, you can also get it from SIG directly,but at a cost of $1200.00 it is too spendy for me at the moment. My SSG is shooting great right now, new barrel not needed any time soon. Another member has heard of SSG 3000 with 35000 down the tube with no group problems.
 
Re: SIG Blaser and Tactical 2 Experiences?

Just to add to Anchor Station's last post, Blaser also has a rimfire kit for the R93 series, and it can bu used with the LRS II rifles. Priced about the same as the Sig unit.
 
Re: SIG Blaser and Tactical 2 Experiences?

Have a Blaser LRS2 in 308. It's one of my favorite shooters, and fires comparable to it's competitors. I found that I REALLY liked the straight-pull action, and that it was the one that I can cycle with NO movement of my head, making observation easier. For me, I noticed I was faster on multiple target multiple distances since I was able to complete cycling faster and with such a simple movement that I was able to start scanning/panning to the next target as I was completing the bolt throw.

Just like CPT Funk pointed out...the Blasers that failed that everyone talks about had some CLEARLY extraneous circumstances, which probably would have blown out other rifles on shot #1.

The other thing I'll echo was Anchor Station's comment that I found it's balance unusually comfortable to shoot offhand, and in "odd" positions. I'll openly admit that all the things that I found that I liked about it were things that helped minimize the flaws that I have as a shooter (which unfortunately are many...wish it weren't so). I also don't think I would've noticed its real strengths/advantages (at least for me) if I'd only shot it from a bench, and probably wouldn't say it was anything more than "high exotic factor" if that was all I'd gotten to do with it. So if you and your team are getting to use it for a demo, I'd make sure that you have a real opportunity to use it on a challenging course set up to mirror real (as in unpredictable) conditions.
 
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I shoot a 308 LRS2 rifle also have a 243 1 in 10 twist barrel and special order 1 in 8 twist 243 to shoot the match 105-7g loads, I have owned rifle from new since 2001 and have had no problems to date, outstanding repeatable acuracy im very happy with my LRS2, Hey A-Train do you shoot 600-1k with your 308 LRS2? ifso could you give intel with which loads and OAL gives best results, I cant seem to get the 185g Berger VLDs to shoot in my LRS2 308 guess the LRS2 shoots better off the Lands as the Lapua 185g scenar yields exellent accuracy with vit n550 and oal of 72.50mm from base to tip.
 
Re: SIG Blaser and Tactical 2 Experiences?

I was under the impression that only the .338 was it's own animal.

All the others had the capability to interchange barrels and bolts (or bolt head) to accomidate between small and standard boltfaces thus covering the available caliber range (.223/.22-250/.243/6mm Norma/6.5x55/.300win).

I could very well be wrong though.
 
Re: SIG Blaser and Tactical 2 Experiences?

Well, I got a chance to run both of them last week.

I was a little disappointed that the Rep had not properly mounted and zeroed the optics prior to arrival. If I am going to test rifles I don't want to spend time working on the rifle.

I was not first up on the guns since I had some other training commitments. When I got there the other two Snipers (who are in line for the new rifles) had already taken turns on them. The Elevation on the scopes (both Leupolds) were bottomed out and still high on a 100 yard target. The ocular focus was not even close for a 20/20 visoned shooter. I messed with it for a couple minutes, then just drove on since the time frame I was working in was limited.

First up was the Blaser Tactical 2. Loading the magazine was difficult due to the design. Every magazine I have ever used in the past has had "fixed" feed lips. The lips on the Blaser magazine were "floating". Sometimes when attempting to push a round down into the magazine the lips would go down with the follower or top round. It was frustrating and not something that allows you to quickly load magazines.

The second MAJOR issue encountered was demonstrated to me by one of the other Snipers. Most of us who use magazine fed weapons in a "social" environment are taught to seat the magazine briskly with force to ensure that it locks into place. Add some adrenaline and the desire to get the gun back into action fast and you tend to beat things up a bit. When simulating a combat reload with the Blaser the bolt would be back. We took a fully loaded five round magazine and slapped it into the magazine well, seating it with force. This immediately caused the top round to eject itself from the magazine and fall completely out of the receiver. The second round would jump the feed lips badly enough to cause a double-feed if you ran the bolt forward. This was unacceptable. It may have been a magazine issue, but since we did not have any additional magazines I cannot say.

The straight pull bolt took a little getting used to, but worked well. I attempted to lift it after the first shot, but adapted to it quickly. The safety on the Demo rifle was not functioning correctly, and the rifle could not be placed on-safe.

Due to the issues with the scope and mounts the comb was cranked all the way up. This was not conductive to accuracy testing. Even with these issues the Blaser produced groups that were totally adequate for a police rifle.

After the Blaser struggled through it's paces we switched over to the SSG 3000. It felt like a higher quality rifle as soon as I picked it up. The SSG uses a McMillan adjustable stock which I much prefer over the plastic futuristic looking stock on the Blaser. The SSG functioned exactly as it should and no problems were experienced. The bolt was smooth and allowed for fast operation due to the shorter lift than the Remingtons I am used to. Accuracy was acceptable but again, due to scope issued we were unable to really see what this rifle was capable of. The safety on the SSG is interesting in the fact that to place the weapon on-safe you press a lever near the bolt handle protruding from the side of the stock. This extends a button in front of the trigger inside the trigger guard. This button must be pushed up to place the weapon off-safe. The SSG was equipped with a two stage trigger. I am not a fan of two stages on a bolt gun, but it worked well.

The SSG gave the impression of being much more refined than the Blaser. It didn't have the "spacegun cool" that the Blaser did, but if I was taking one into the field the SSG would definitely be my choice.

As it was, I couldn't give either rifle the nod over a standard Remington 700 LTR.

The Rep gave us his wonderful spiel about the hammer forged barrels lasting for a lifetime, but the reality of the matter is I can have a 700 re-barreled with a match tube several times over and still have less money out than purchasing either of the SIGs.

After our testing of the bolt guns the rep brought out the new SIG556. The model that we tested was the LE/Mil version with a 10" barrel, folding stock and four position selector. This rifle ran flawlessly for the 60-70 rounds that we put through it. It's got a relatively fast cyclic rate, but still controllable enough to drop two round bursts in full auto. The selector has settings for safe, semi-auto, three round burst and fully automatic.

The stock on the 556 worked well. It is both side folding and adjusts for length. With the stock extended and locked out shots were fast and easy.

Unfortunately the tested 556 is available only for department purchase. The Rep stated that SIG has no plans to produce a SBR version and the "pistol" 556 uses a different receiver, so you cannot install the LE/Mil model's folding stock on the pistol version.

The SIG Rep did state that SIG is currently working on an AR compatible upper that will use the same short stroke gas system as the 556.

I would have no issues with going through a door with a SIG556 in my hand, but since they are a bit more expensive than a similarly sized/featured M4/M16 they may not appeal to many departments.

Although they were available to fondle, I did not get any trigger time on the 16" civilian legal 556SWAT and 556 Classic.