I've checked out Long Range Only's video on youtube. Any other quality reviews? I thought we'd get a thread started here! Feel free to add your .02, spew on
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Hey Detroit,
I'm going to agree with everything you just said. I'm excited to get my hands on the one thats coming to me. I look forward to validating mine or truing it in the process. I disagree with you on a minor point. I've used a PLRF15C in the snow and it didn't work as well as you boast! It would jump between near and far. It was snowing big flakes, but not too hard. On the other hand i've ranged out to 4800 Yard+ with the vectronix. What if any disparity have you found between the two as far as range finding in normal light goes?
Thanks, IanHusaberg
The Terrapin is just above the Sig 2400 or a couple steps above, is what I would suspect? I don't think the Kilo 2400 is gold, but i would like to give it the benefit of the doubt until it proves me wrong. I think when you have used it/tested/vetted it and know the parameters it will be more of a advanced ballistic solver than the g7 and not quite have the pure ranging capabilities of the Terrapin. The glass is half full with this one, until i'm prove myself wrong. Then, I might start weeping like a baby.!!!
Does cables have any 2200sm I might exchange my 2000 for one
I know AB has issues with the iPhone. Does it have any negative issues with the 2400?
Not entirely certain how the ballistic solver works on this rangefinder. Is it basically AB that loads onto the 2400? If so, this makes it useless for iPhone folks?
The solver is built into the 2400, you build and load profiles with the Kilo App, it's not the AB app, it's as accurate as a Kestrel. Same solver and curve library.
I have played with mine for a while and I am very disappointed with the system. I bought mine from Applied Ballistics and the following is the body of the letter that I have emailed to AB on 3/22. As of today I have not had a response.
"I have attempted to use my new Sig 2400ABS and have found problems with the system.
After numerous tries in different outside locations I cannot get the compass or inclinometer to calibrate. The Kilo display shows what the manual says should be displayed during calibration but it does not calibrate. I have checked it against a good compass and the direction displayed on the App is off anywhere from 22-66 degrees. When a range is taken with the unit and my finger is off of the unit, the displayed heading and vertical angle keeps changing on the App display. The vertical angle is inaccurate also. I called Sig customer service and talked to a technician in the optical division and after questioning me about how I was actually performing the calibration he decided that the unit has problems and should be returned to Sig.
The unit times out and disconnects from the phone App. I also have trouble with the phone App which I will detail under another item but while I am working with the phone App the unit disconnects and has to be restarted to reconnect. When I brought this to the attention of the Sig technician, he told me that the unit has a motion detector and if the unit is moved before the programmed shutdown time then the unit will continue to stay connected. I tried moving the unit constantly and it still shuts off at the programmed time limit.
I found that one of my gun profiles that are loaded into the system needed calibrating as the custom drag curve does not match what I measured on downrange targets. I went through the calibration steps and when it came to the actual calibration to be done by the App I get a message that says that I have a MV temp table and I am to enter the MV manually. I thought that was the purpose of the App, to calculate the new MV to account for the observed drop. That does not matter because the field that is supposed to show the corrected MV will not accept any input. The shown MV is the one shown beside the 100 degree value entered into the gun profile temperature table. The App shows the ambient temperature, so why is the MV shown for the 100 degree reading when it is approximately 65 degrees?
When taking a reading with the Kilo the yardage displayed in the Kilo is different from the yardage displayed in the App. It may vary from a fraction of a yard to several yards but it is never the same. This happens whether the unit is in “Best” mode or “Last” mode. I cannot tell which reading is the actual range.
The App is almost impossible to use because the fields with small font such as the ones in the Profile Editor and Target screens will hardly accept an input. I sometimes have to tap or touch a field from 3 to 30 times to get the field highlighted so that an input can be entered. Occasionally I cannot get the field highlighted at all. This is when I am inside with warm hands. When I am outside and my hands are cold the inputs are all but impossible. The furnished stylus is a little better but still takes multiple tries to highlight a field. You should not have to rely on a stylus to operate the App. The physically larger fields in the App do not have this problem. You should remember that while I am trying to manipulate the App the Kilo times out multiple times and has to be restarted to reconnect to the App. On occasion this happens even when I have the time set to the maximum of 180 seconds. This App ranges from impractical to impossible to use in the field. At the Sig technician’s request, I have deleted and downloaded the App again and there was no improvement.
Trying to input a wind reading into the App or Kilo is so cumbersome that it is impractical. It takes four button pushes to get to the wind direction screen plus x number of clicks to input the wind direction, two more clicks to get to the wind screen plus the number of clicks or hold down the button until the correct unit appears then wait for the screen to default to the range screen or keep scrolling until you get to the range screen. The real problem is going from any wind value to a lower wind value where you have to scroll through up to 39 units to cycle around and back through 0 to the lower wind value.
The actual wind meter provided does not work on my Samsung Galaxy S6. The manual does state that some smart phones are not compatible with this meter. Even if it did I am not sure of the wisdom of having another device to keep up with in the field. I can see the mini plug breaking off in the phone if the device is plugged into the phone and in the haste and time pressure of field conditions the unit is pressed hard against something. The manual does suggest using a wind meter such as a Kestrel to get an accurate wind reading and then inputting the value into the Kilo. To get an accurate wind reading I now have to have a third electronic device to manually input the wind value into either the Kilo using an overly long input process or inputting the wind value into the wind value field in the App so that it can transmit the value to the Kilo and get a ballistic solution, assuming the unit has not timed out by this time and has to be reconnected.
The sleeve that has the tripod adaptor fits so tightly on the Kilo that it takes several minutes and considerable effort to remove it from the unit since there is not a good way to get a hold of the sleeve once it is slipped on the unit.
To be fair I must say that the pure ranging capabilities of this unit are very impressive and I am comparing it to my Kilo 2000 which I rate as very good.
I thought that this system would make firing solutions faster and more convenient. In my opinion that goal is not achieved. If wind is not a consideration and you forgo the App then the firing solution is quickly achieved. But the unit is not a stand-alone device and to have the ability to get a firing solution with verified wind inputs is a three-device affair and complicates the solution rather than simplifies it. It is my opinion that the Kilo 2000 or 2200 plus a Kestrel AB presents a simpler and faster way to a firing solution when wind speed and direction are needed inputs.
I bought this system sight unseen and entered my order and paid my deposit early based on the idea that this system is a “better mouse trap” and my experience with AB and Sig products being first class in every respect. This product falls far short of the quality of design and production that I have come to expect from AB and Sig.
Sig has sent me a return authorization based on my conversation with their technical representative. They estimate that it will take 2-3 weeks to repair or replace the unit. Even if Sig rectifies items 1-4, they probably cannot rectify items 5-7.
This system is a good concept that was not carried to fruition during the design and execution. I hope the next generation of this product addresses those problems.
Considering the above items, I must ask AB to take back the unit and refund my purchase price."
I wrote the above letter in a Word document and in Word format points 1-7 in my letter were numbered and that is what I am referring to in the next to last paragraph. The numbers were lost when cut and pasted into this post.
I have had such good experiences with AB and Sig products before the 2400. I hope this can be rectified.
This thing is incredible! This was offhand at a non reflective hillside. And it was lightning fast and repeatable. I purchased mine from Chris at interstate guns as well. Thanks for the amazing price and service!
Geez Dodge that's 1.46 miles, I don't think I can see that far, Great for calling Arty Strikes but a bugga if you got to pack a Moose out. Great Pic, thanks for that.
John.
Chris is slightly confused. I bought mine via group buy here. Unless he had something to do with that then, he may be thinking of the 338 Lapua Carbon fiber barrel I purchased from him for my MRAD this week. Which I will be starting artillery training at a mile and taking it out to whatever solutions the Sig 2400 will provide me with to reason. I'll be load developing for a while then testing my results. A Kestrel 5700 will be in my future to cross reference results w/Sig 2400.
Yo Mildot1960, I hear you loud and clear. I think you should hold off beating you chest with the CONX in hand before your eating your own words? Put your Ego in check and give the 2400 a chance?
Chris is slightly confused. I bought mine via group buy here. Unless he had something to do with that then, he may be thinking of the 338 Lapua Carbon fiber barrel I purchased from him for my MRAD this week. Which, I will be starting artillery training at a mile and taking it out to whatever solutions the Sig 2400 will provide me with to reason. I'll be load developing for a while, then testing my results. A Kestrel 5700 will be in my future to cross reference results w/Sig 2400.
Yo Mildot1960, I hear you loud and clear. I think you should hold off beating you chest with the CONX in hand before your eating your own words? Put your Ego in check and give the 2400 a chance?
Shot at a tennis ball at 1km. Didn't expect to hit it - wind was super high and a tennis ball is too much for my gun and skill level anyway. Maybe in calm conditions with a 116lb benchrest gun...but not in a 17mph gusty wind with a gas gun.
The bullet impact was within a few inches vertically at 1km. Several times. I was able to use the custom drag model for my bullet, and the ES on this ammo is the lowest I have ever seen in my life (2fps).
I was very pleased.