Suppressors Silencero's Saker 5.56 suppressor (PICS & INFO)

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 1shot2kill</div><div class="ubbcode-body">thats alot more expensive than i thought they were going to be
not saying it isnt worth it </div></div>

One of the most popular selling 5.56mm cans (in our experience), the AAC M4-2000 has an MSRP of $1050 and the QD mount is sold separately for $99. So, the Saker is only $51 more than an M4-2000, at $1200 (mount included).
 
#5
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I was holding off on buying a silencer until I found out more about the Saker, but once I read “first production run availability <span style="font-weight: bold">estimated</span> for April/May”
The enthusiasm dropped.
4 months at least of waiting for these to go in to production + 6 months to a year waiting for a tax form…..
I’m inclined to think that by then, there will be another announcement from some other company with something “even more grand” just around the corner.

Waiting for this "big announcement" then having the announcement be “Hey, here is something that is not even in production" is not really what I was expecting.

That mat not be the case, since there is so little information out about it right now but...yeah,

I think it looks like an interesting product and I may wait for it, I may not. If it was available now I’d jump on it for sure.
 
#6
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Couple observations:
~7.1" OAL.
~7.7" OAL with suppressor flash hider accessory that apparently is available separately at additional cost.
<span style="font-weight: bold">$1200 MSRP</span>

Baffle material not advertised.

Silencerco spokesperson says the SAKER metered 134DB.

<span style="font-weight: bold">Our promo M4-SD II is based on a 134DB tested prototype, and is $755 with $200 tax included on our Snipers Hide group buy. It is 6.675" OAL, and attaches to a $6 flash hider. </span>

The statement "30% stronger than inconel" could mean anything. 600 series inconel is 30% weaker than 625 inconel, and 625 inconel is substantially weaker than 718 inconel. The reason people use inconel is that it retains 80% of its strength to 1200F where other materials lose significantly more of their room temperature strength at 1200F.
 
#7
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Griffin Armament</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Couple observations:
~7.1" OAL.
~7.7" OAL with suppressor flash hider accessory that apparently is available separately at additional cost.
<span style="font-weight: bold">$1200 MSRP</span>

Baffle material not advertised.

Silencerco spokesperson says the SAKER metered 134DB.

<span style="font-weight: bold">Our promo M4-SD II is based on a 134DB tested prototype, and is $755 with $200 tax included on our Snipers Hide group buy. It is 6.675" OAL, and attaches to a $6 flash hider. </span>

The statement "30% stronger than inconel" could mean anything. 600 series inconel is 30% weaker than 625 inconel, and 625 inconel is substantially weaker than 718 inconel. The reason people use inconel is that it retains 80% of its strength to 1200F where other materials lose significantly more of their room temperature strength at 1200F. </div></div>

I liked your bash on your facebook page. You know nothing about its materials or its baffle design yet you still find reason to bash it. The suppressor industry never ceases to amaze me. Kind of like advertising in someone elses thread. Classy.
 
#10
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jonaddis84</div><div class="ubbcode-body">^^ This could get ugly...kind of like that endcap. Just my opinion, the technology sounds interesting though. </div></div>

The end cap with the "built in" vortex flash hider is an accessory.

The cans will ship with a flat "traditional" end cap.
 
#12
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jh1990</div><div class="ubbcode-body">You know nothing about its materials or its baffle design yet you still find reason to bash it. </div></div>

The customer isn't informed as to what material was integrated. That shouldn't strike the customer as a reason to pay more for similar performance in a larger unit.
 
#13
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i saw this yesterday, got excited, then read the little marketing blurb. it basically says this is awesome buy it, but doesnt give any real details.

just from the sound suppression and price info , id go with the liberty torch or the torch QA. i have a torch w/ an inconel blast baffle thats full auto and sbr rated on the way and it was 595. thats 1/2 of the msrp of this thing.
 
#14
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Griffin Armament</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jh1990</div><div class="ubbcode-body">You know nothing about its materials or its baffle design yet you still find reason to bash it. </div></div>

The customer isn't informed as to what material was integrated. That shouldn't strike the customer as a reason to pay more for similar performance in a larger unit.

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Austin, WTF?! Where has your professionalism gone? Not long ago you were all about helping the industry and now you are on a mission to try and talk as much garbage as you can about a product that you have never seen, asked SilencerCo about, or have any solid information about. What is the deal? Not long ago it was John Titsworth that was doing this crap and where is he now? Competition is about building a better or comparable product, not knocking another manufacturer's product. You are losing a lot of respect and opening yourself up to the very same criticism that you are handing out. There is too much DRAMA in the suppressor industry. MAKE IT GO AWAY!
 
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I didn't realize the mounting system was part of the said innovation. If the mounting system allows end users to use multiple different mounting systems that would appear to be the most innovative feature offered. A video demo would probably be a better way to market that feature than an acronym.

Is it unprofessional to say a company should tell a customer what material the product is made of?

In honesty Scott, your message seems more dramatic than anything I posted.
 
#16
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Griffin Armament</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I didn't realize the mounting system was part of the said innovation. If the mounting system allows end users to use multiple different mounting systems that would appear to be the most innovative feature offered. A video demo would probably be a better way to market that feature than an acronym.

Is it unprofessional to say a company should tell a customer what material the product is made of?

In honesty Scott, your message seems more dramatic than anything I posted. </div></div>

Dude, they need to have all their ducks in a row legally before they announce more. I don't know why you are bashing the most professional company in the industry. They don't talk shit. They make good products and keep their comments to themselves.
 
#17
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can it be had without all the "mall ninja" shit on the end.

Id be intrested to see how the mount works , is it a htreaded ratchet style like AAC or some sort of collar like SF.

isint that baffels desgine the same as what AAC uses on the Titan? sounds similar (im to lazy to look it up)
 
#18
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: JJones75</div><div class="ubbcode-body">can it be had without all the "mall ninja" shit on the end.

Id be intrested to see how the mount works , is it a htreaded ratchet style like AAC or some sort of collar like SF.

isint that baffels desgine the same as what AAC uses on the Titan? sounds similar (im to lazy to look it up) </div></div>

They haven't released any internal pics. No one knows what the bafle stack looks like
 
#19
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jh1990</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: JJones75</div><div class="ubbcode-body">can it be had without all the "mall ninja" shit on the end.

Id be intrested to see how the mount works , is it a htreaded ratchet style like AAC or some sort of collar like SF.

isint that baffels desgine the same as what AAC uses on the Titan? sounds similar (im to lazy to look it up) </div></div>

They haven't released any internal pics. No one knows what the bafle stack looks like </div></div>

I saw a good youtube video about 14 minutes long. The mounting systems are a separate threaded assembly of components that are thread and spanner jam nut attached to the suppressor.

The suppressor appears to come with one mount, or can be purchased apparently with no mounting system at all, and you can get mounts for the AAC 51 tooth mount, the Silencer Co proprietary mount, and direct thread mounts, as well as in the future probably for A2 flash suppressors. So the customer will be able to choose which mounting system he wants with respect to the devices integrated on the rifles in his collection.

I don't know if people will conveniently be able to swap the mounts on the can after any use- the guy in the demo was having trouble removing the mount without having fired the weapon at all.

The blast baffle looked like a washer or a domed washer like Surefire uses - possibly inverted - hard to tell on a video. They compared it to a shield- which would be a domed shape like a Surefire blast baffle.

The trifecta flash suppressor has three different tine lengths- a feature that kills resonance, but aesthetically is a little different. The flash suppressor has three prongs and a tapered entrance to the prongs like a Blackout flash suppressor.
 
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Here's the video that was mentioned.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VhpYTyv9-Qk

The more I hear about it, the more I like it.
Honestly, it seems like SilencerCo put a lot of thought and effort in to this.

One thing I was wondering about the tuning fork ring of a flash hider....
Does the flash hider on the silencer its self have forks that are different lengths?
It doesn't look like it; but maybe they are short enough that the tone won't resonate.

Also,
does the type of mount you choose change the effectiveness of the silencer?
I'd prefer to have a brake when not shooting suppressed.
 
#22
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Cool video. Looks like a solid product to me, interested to see some reports when these hit the market.
 
#23
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that video was pretty cool, but the best thing out of it was the interchangeability of the back cap, and the new flash hider.

one thing that was glaringly missing though, was any mention of accuracy/repeatability (other than when he talked about the 4-ears in one sentence) or the actual sound levels.

i wonder when production models are going to actually be in testers hands.
 
#24
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Raider1v1</div><div class="ubbcode-body">that video was pretty cool, but the best thing out of it was the interchangeability of the back cap, and the new flash hider.

one thing that was glaringly missing though, was any mention of accuracy/repeatability (other than when he talked about the 4-ears in one sentence) or the actual sound levels.

i wonder when production models are going to actually be in testers hands. </div></div>

They are supposed to have a video up soon.
 
#25
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Raider1v1</div><div class="ubbcode-body">that video was pretty cool, but the best thing out of it was the interchangeability of the back cap, and the new flash hider.

one thing that was glaringly missing though, was any mention of accuracy/repeatability (other than when he talked about the 4-ears in one sentence) or the actual sound levels.

i wonder when production models are going to actually be in testers hands. </div></div>

Raider,

Watch the video one more time - Gary (Silencerco's head of sales) specifically mentions that the how solid the mount is and how the can will be at the exact same "clock position" every time you mount it. Then he kind of mentions that that "speaks to repeatability" or something like that. It's kind fast, so you might have missed it.

Bottom line - their proprietary "Trifecta RS" mount is ROCK SOLID and the can returns to the same position every time - so repeatability should be top notch.
 
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I gotta wonder what happens when the oil is cooked away, and there's sand or mud involved. I wanna see some down and dirty use. I played with a well-known unit on a clean mount. Worked great.
 
#27
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: MAJ MALFUNCTION</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><span style="font-weight: bold"> IT'S FINALLY OUT AND IT IS THE "END ALL - BE ALL" OF RIFLE CANS!!!!!! </span>

<span style="font-weight: bold">PICS & COMPLETE INFO AT THE LINK!</span>

SAKER PICS AND INFO </div></div>
I don't have a dog in this fight, but just saying, "IT IS THE "END ALL - BE ALL" OF RIFLE CANS!!!!!!" without any thing to support this claim just seems silly.
 
#28
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: MAJ MALFUNCTION</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
Bottom line - their proprietary "Trifecta RS" mount is ROCK SOLID and the can returns to the same position every time - so repeatability should be top notch. </div></div>

Good, maybe AAC can learn from this....
 
#29
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I should have a demo can shortly and anyone who is in the area and wants to come and play...by all means, lets get it on. I am all about torture testing my gear, so we can play hard.

Knowing Mike and Gary at SCo, I know that they demand a product that can stand up to a beating. They are fans of Mark White and YHMs .30cal cans (which are damn tough). Feeling the can, the mount, and taking it apart and putting it together, it feels rock solid. The only thing left to do is abuse the hell out of it.
 
#30
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Griffin Armament</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I didn't realize the mounting system was part of the said innovation. If the mounting system allows end users to use multiple different mounting systems that would appear to be the most innovative feature offered. A video demo would probably be a better way to market that feature than an acronym.

<span style="text-decoration: underline">Is it unprofessional to say a company should tell a customer what material the product is made of? </span>

In honesty Scott, your message seems more dramatic than anything I posted. </div></div>

Is it unprofessional? Um, no. I would assume that you would understand the world of patents being that you are a manufacturer. The material itself is not patented. According to SCo it is <span style="font-weight: bold">30%</span> harder than <span style="font-weight: bold">718</span> inconel. From my understanding, the material cannot be machined. So, knowing that, you probably know how the baffles are made. I know that the late release of the Saker was due to patnet issues. I am ready to get my grubs on one and it should not be too much longer.
 
#31
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Griffin Armament</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Is it unprofessional to say a company should tell a customer what material the product is made of? </div></div>

As a competitor, if you want to know what material they used--buy one, take it apart, and test it. That's why it isn't mentioned. <span style="text-decoration: underline">Specifically</span> to make guys like you spend the $$$ to catch up and compete. It has NOTHING to do with the customer. Here you are complaining because you aren't getting a free handout paid for by your competitors R&D dollars.

Don't accept that as my opinion. Take it as inside information. Just wish you could hear the laughter....
 
#32
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I'm not aware of any alloys that are stronger than 718 inconel at high temperatures. I'm aware of many materials stronger than 718 inconel at lower temperatures.

There were plenty of suppressors before 718 inconel that worked just fine, so no problem with lesser materials, but people should realize that 30% stronger is only significant in suppressors if it applies to intermittent high temperature use over an extended period of time.
 
#34
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I got to touch and see this can at the SHOT Show. As far as innovative,yes it is second to none. Multi mount options is a simple idea,yet no one has incorporated it. Mounts that mount to other Suppressor manufacturers' brakes is also innovative and brilliant from a sales standpoint. It looks like a very well developed unit. I own a Silencerco Osprey and couldn't be happier with its performance and "innovative" multi caliber design. Other manufacturers need to get busy developing outside the box suppressors rather than browbeating their competitions new ideas. JMHO and .02 YMMV
 
#35
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: netranger6</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Wow, this thread is getting heated....wonder at what temp. it's strength will be compromised? </div></div>

That's what the customer doesn't get to know when a company doesn't want to tell them what material the product is made of.

30% is a meaningless marketing statistic without a property data sheet that allows the customer to compare the numbers and draw a logical conclusion.
 
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What I want to know is why the material nerd to be stronger than 718 inconell , for Christ sake unless you're trying to shoot laser though it how damn strong does it need to be??
I mean I've heard to 316 SS cans going 30,000-50,000 rounds !!
 
#37
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Griffin Armament</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: netranger6</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Wow, this thread is getting heated....wonder at what temp. it's strength will be compromised? </div></div>

That's what the customer doesn't get to know when a company doesn't want to tell them what material the product is made of.

30% is a meaningless marketing statistic without a property data sheet that allows the customer to compare the numbers and draw a logical conclusion. </div></div>

If it's so meaningless why are you so hell bent on knowing what it is? I saw the suppressor up close and personal at SHOT Show. It was very impressive.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: KYS338</div><div class="ubbcode-body">

If it's so meaningless why are you so hell bent on knowing what it is? I saw the suppressor up close and personal at SHOT Show. It was very impressive. </div></div>

When a company pioneers a new technology and wants to use it as a selling point, they should expect to have to prove there is a justification to that new technology.

No engineer worth a crap would use a material based on the statement "it's 30% stronger". That kind of mentality would have the engineer using 7075 aluminum instead of 316 SS.

Hey why not? It has double the strength of 316SS-

This of course discounts the rest of the information an engineer would find on a property data sheet <span style="font-weight: bold">the double strength 7075 actually melts at ~890-1175F, while 316 SS melts at 2552F.</span>

The property data sheet is important. Small companies aren't inventing materials, they are using materials that exist on the market. Here a manufacturer is telling you something is better and you should buy it, without telling you what it is.

I guess my opinion that the customer should receive useful information is a minority opinion.
 
#39
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Griffin Armament</div><div class="ubbcode-body">When a company pioneers a new technology and wants to use it as a selling point, they should expect to have to prove there is a justification to that new technology.

No engineer worth a crap would use a material based on the statement "it's 30% stronger". That kind of mentality would have the engineer using 7075 aluminum instead of 316 SS.

Hey why not? It has double the strength of 316SS-

This of course discounts the rest of the information an engineer would find on a property data sheet <span style="font-weight: bold">the double strength 7075 actually melts at ~890-1175F, while 316 SS melts at 2552F.</span>

The property data sheet is important. Small companies aren't inventing materials, they are using materials that exist on the market. Here a manufacturer is telling you something is better and you should buy it, without telling you what it is.

I guess my opinion that the customer should receive useful information is a minority opinion. </div></div>
Your opinion lacks merit because you are not a customer. Let's be crystal clear on that. You are a competitor. And you aren't fooling anyone.

You're also not an engineer, but one point at a time ehh?.....
 
#40
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: BachelorJack</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Griffin Armament</div><div class="ubbcode-body">When a company pioneers a new technology and wants to use it as a selling point, they should expect to have to prove there is a justification to that new technology.

No engineer worth a crap would use a material based on the statement "it's 30% stronger". That kind of mentality would have the engineer using 7075 aluminum instead of 316 SS.

Hey why not? It has double the strength of 316SS-

This of course discounts the rest of the information an engineer would find on a property data sheet <span style="font-weight: bold">the double strength 7075 actually melts at ~890-1175F, while 316 SS melts at 2552F.</span>

The property data sheet is important. Small companies aren't inventing materials, they are using materials that exist on the market. Here a manufacturer is telling you something is better and you should buy it, without telling you what it is.

I guess my opinion that the customer should receive useful information is a minority opinion. </div></div>
Your opinion lacks merit because you are not a customer. Let's be crystal clear on that. You are a competitor. And you aren't fooling anyone.

You're also not an engineer, but one point at a time ehh?..... </div></div>

thats the first thing i thought was what material, weight, length, etc. just general specs.

like GA said, they arent making some super secret unobtainium type metal alloy, its off the shelf bar stock in their own design and coating.

if im going to drop 1000+ on something like that, i want to know what its made of. otherwise you may run into some carbon fiber type fiasco that was on here before.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Raider1v1</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
if im going to drop 1000+ on something like that, i want to know what its made of. </div></div>


+1

FYI I'm sure the product is perfectly capable of safe operation, I just see the lack of disclosure as a red herring.
 
#42
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I too am waiting on a price for one. I really liked the adaptability of the end cap for multiple mounting options. As for the other end cap and the flash hider attatchment, as I said in another forum, it's more barbie than function I think.

I'm guessing the folks over at Silencerco are enjoying the hub bub, isn't success measured by the size of the ripple in the pool?

And, if anyone were to ask me why I'd be willing to dop 1k on a can like this, over a M42K, along with a good product, I like to spend my money with folks who conduct themselves in a professional manner
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#43
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Griffin Armament</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: BachelorJack</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
Your opinion lacks merit because you are not a customer. Let's be crystal clear on that. You are a competitor. And you aren't fooling anyone.

You're also not an engineer, but one point at a time ehh?..... </div></div>

Does this mean inversely that you <span style="text-decoration: underline">are a customer</span> who doesn't care what material the product is made of?

I think your opinion on engineers would be more valid if you could find an engineer that would disagree with the value of material properties. </div></div>
No. I'm not a customer either. I'm also not a competitor. That must make me an industry insider of some capacity then.

I'm not going to tell you what it is. Like has been said, it is not on the fact sheet because they would like their competitors to spend some money on R&D. It has nothing to do with deceiving the customers.

If I was buying a suppressor in this price range I'd only care about the company behind it. If I have a problem, I'm only going to just fedex it straight back to them. They could have made it out of packing peanuts, I don't care so long as it works. If they fix it and treat me like royalty then who really cares? That's what you're buying. Not the fancy metal.

Customer Service. Professionalism. Performance.
 
#44
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: petagunner</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I too am waiting on a price for one. I really liked the adaptability of the end cap for multiple mounting options. As for the other end cap and the flash hider attatchment, as I said in another forum, it's more barbie than function I think.

I'm guessing the folks over at Silencerco are enjoying the hub bub, isn't success measured by the size of the ripple in the pool?

And, if anyone were to ask me why I'd be willing to dop 1k on a can like this, over a M42K, along with a good product, I like to spend my money with folks who conduct themselves in a professional manner
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honestly the customer service, turn around time, construction, suppression, everything would have to be on a godly level to make me think it was worth 1200. I just sent off the form 4 for a torch with an inconel blast baffle upgrade and i paid 575. total. the QA thing is nice, but really worth double and all we get is a 1860's sales pitch?

<span style="font-style: italic">There is no cartridge it will not silence,
no sound it will not subdue.
It will drive your ills away, it will make you right.
It has been set before the crowned heads of the NRA
and peddled to the masses by the gentlemen of SHOT,
will be used by persons of all stations.
It suppresses, silences, calms, and accurizes!
A Saker for man and woman,
designed to amaze, stupefy, rectify, and alleviate all your suppressor needs!</span>

i want this thing to be the next level in design, i really do, because thats how the industry will progress.

Im pretty sure that we wont see these in customer hands until December at the earliest. thats given them staying on their timeline and everyone not having snags in the delivery and form processing time.

if a competitor really wanted to get one of these things, they would just order one and wait. there's not a new material in these things, just a new design and coatings. what will protect them from knockoffs (if the design is worth counterfeiting) is their own money to protect the IP.

and whos someone who used to be an engineer? engineering is a thought process.
 
#45
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Well, hell after reading these latest posts….Is anyone interested in placing bets on what the baffles are made of?

All of these metals are hard, corrosion resistant and can take a lot of heat.
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Maybe tungsten carbide, it isn’t really “exotic” but it is just about the hardest metal on earth, which makes it also one of the most abrasion resistant. It also has a high melting point, 5198F.
Osmium Alloy might be another option, it is in the platinum family so might fit the “exotic” label. It can have a melting point in the 5400F area. Combined with iridium it is both hard and corrosion resistant.
A Hastelloy might also be in there. This stuff maintains retard strength at well over the melting point of a typical barrel and is apparently aged when it is manufactured to give it different characteristics so that may qualify it as an exotic.

Strength when talking about a material can mean just about anything though. I just looked at overall hardness since that provides resistance to the type of abrasive wear I would imagine a silencer sees as well as corrosion resistance.

All that being said,
I am not really worried about it; as I believe SilencerCo has considered what will be required of the material they have chosen to use. I doubt they would drop a turd on us and flush their hard earn reputation down the toilet along with it.
The use of a really hard metal “30% stronger than Inconel” might explain the price as well. The harder materials are, the harder they are to work with and that could easily explain the price.
You get what you pay for.
=)
 
#46
Re: Silencero's Saker 5.56 suppressor (PICS & INFO)

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: BachelorJack</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Griffin Armament</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: BachelorJack</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
Your opinion lacks merit because you are not a customer. Let's be crystal clear on that. You are a competitor. And you aren't fooling anyone.

You're also not an engineer, but one point at a time ehh?..... </div></div>

Does this mean inversely that you <span style="text-decoration: underline">are a customer</span> who doesn't care what material the product is made of?

I think your opinion on engineers would be more valid if you could find an engineer that would disagree with the value of material properties. </div></div>
No. I'm not a customer either. I'm also not a competitor. That must make me an industry insider of some capacity then.

I'm not going to tell you what it is. Like has been said, it is not on the fact sheet because they would like their competitors to spend some money on R&D. It has nothing to do with deceiving the customers.

If I was buying a suppressor in this price range I'd only care about the company behind it. If I have a problem, I'm only going to just fedex it straight back to them. They could have made it out of packing peanuts, I don't care so long as it works. If they fix it and treat me like royalty then who really cares? That's what you're buying. Not the fancy metal.

Customer Service. Professionalism. Performance. </div></div>

I agree I with bachelorjack; I think most people dont really care about the technical aspects of a product these days. Most of it is flashy marketing from a solid company. It's easy to put trust in a company like AAC and Silencerco because it appears they will be around for awhile. Even though silencerco is pretty new to the market they have a big shop alot of employees and a pretty professional attitude.

I think another purchasing factor with this product is markeing and media attention. Some people out there have to have the latest and greatest. Market it like that is what it is and you will find that crowd willing to jam benjamins in your face for a chance to own the newest thing out there. It all makes sense.

Hopefully it wont wind up like the S&B 3-20 though. That thing was hyped so much, then never shipped... im sure it will at some point. But the marketing was done far too early i think for that product. Most people with a need filled it by now for lack of product launch.
 
#47
Re: Silencero's Saker 5.56 suppressor (PICS & INFO)

waiting 6 months for a suppressor and a hefty price tag...I'd be pissed to find out it was packing peanuts lol Not saying i wouldn't purchase a saker, but not knowing what it was made of upfront will cause me to wait for plenty of field reviews.
 
#48
Re: Silencero's Saker 5.56 suppressor (PICS & INFO)

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: allwheeldriven</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Well, hell after reading these latest posts&#133;.Is anyone interested in placing bets on what the baffles are made of?

All of these metals are hard, corrosion resistant and can take a lot of heat.
.
Maybe tungsten carbide, it isn&#146;t really &#147;exotic&#148; but it is just about the hardest metal on earth, which makes it also one of the most abrasion resistant. It also has a high melting point, 5198F.
Osmium Alloy might be another option, it is in the platinum family so might fit the &#147;exotic&#148; label. It can have a melting point in the 5400F area. Combined with iridium it is both hard and corrosion resistant.
A Hastelloy might also be in there. This stuff maintains retard strength at well over the melting point of a typical barrel and is apparently aged when it is manufactured to give it different characteristics so that may qualify it as an exotic.

Strength when talking about a material can mean just about anything though. I just looked at overall hardness since that provides resistance to the type of abrasive wear I would imagine a silencer sees as well as corrosion resistance.

All that being said,
I am not really worried about it; as I believe SilencerCo has considered what will be required of the material they have chosen to use. I doubt they would drop a turd on us and flush their hard earn reputation down the toilet along with it.
The use of a really hard metal &#147;30% stronger than Inconel&#148; might explain the price as well. The harder materials are, the harder they are to work with and that could easily explain the price.
You get what you pay for.
=)
</div></div>

This is a quality post. No bitching and complaining. I have wondered the same thing myself.

The material is not proprietary. It is not new. It is a material that Austin is obviously seeking. I think that in conjunction with the material, the Hoplon baffle design will greatly decrease wear and it will be able to handle rounds like 22-250 without a problem (I am just guessing here). The baffle design is patented. I am not sure all of the patents that were sought, but the interchangability features would be something I would guess. I bet the end cap is another. I would also assume that the 'Trifecta' mount with different length 'forks' would be another. These are only assumptions. The material, I asked about, and it can be purchased. You can guess, you can take it to get tested, but if I were SCo, Austin, I would make you wait as long as I could.

As for the reputation of SCo, it is great. They have never had a can in longer than TWO DAYS for warranty repair. Mike Pappas handles warranty work personally. They answer the phone and treat you like a customer. They are professional. Their products are innovative and work well. They are drama free. What more can you ask for?

P.S. Out of the small percentage of the population that knows silencers/suppressors are legal, I would guess that ~10% (probably much lower) of those folks actually know what inconel is. All that they care about is durability. I know that they are some hardcore guys who want all of the meat and potatoes, but most folks don't.
 
#49
Re: Silencero's Saker 5.56 suppressor (PICS & INFO)

If i was a bettin man I would guess Silencerco would not put out something that would hurt its very good reputation. Lets see 5 years in buissnes? With only 2 main prooducts and acciving the success they have. 2 years to develop the third product. My guess is it will be made of the very best materials posible and they are not disclosing the info for the reason of competitive edge, not becoues they want to pull a fast on on the customer. Come on really?
 
#50
Re: Silencero's Saker 5.56 suppressor (PICS & INFO)

The saker was penned as so revolutionary. I don't see it as revolutionary, is it a nice concept and worth considering ? Yes, absolutely. I am in the market for a rifle can and I own a sparrow and osprey so I would like to own one.

BUT

Know what I would consider revolutionary? Silencerco introducing this can and showing off pallet fulls of them, ready to ship. I am so sick of being teased and introductions BEFORE the items are ready to ship. Shot show be damned, build it, build enough to actually take realistic orders and offer them for sale. I am about to order a rifle can, the saker will not be in consideration because it could be another specwar
 
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