Silencers, Moderators, Suppressors, Tubs or whatever

[BruceL]

I hope this is not a redundant question.

I've finally got my Vudoo 360 and it's threaded with a EC tuner installed. Where I shoot it's too loud for the neighbors so I would like to install a moderator (or whatever they are called) to reduce the noise.
Does anyone here have one that can give their experience?

How effective are they? What brand do you have or can recommend? Does it require an FFL?

Thanks,
Bruce

 

[lash]

There are a number of very good manufacturers out there.

And yes, they are very effective. With most of them, you literally only hear the lock noise and then the ping of steel.

And yes, all true suppressors require not only an FFL, but a $200 tax stamp from the ATF.

 

[littlepod]

Is it threaded for the EC Tuner, or is it threaded 1/2x28 and you have the EC Tuner adapter + EC Tuner?

 

[BruceL]

Is it threaded for the EC Tuner, or is it threaded 1/2x28 and you have the EC Tuner adapter + EC Tuner?

It's threaded for the EC Tuner only. There's no adapter, the tuner screws directly to the barrel

 

[littlepod]

Yeh I couldn't find a good ECTuner thread to 1/2-28. You would need to find someone to custom make and make it right concentrically. I couldn't find someone.

 

[psharon78]

A FFL isn't necessary to own the suppressor. I buy most of my supressors from Silencershop and they ship the suppressor to a FFL until I get the tax stamp back. Then they transfer the suppressor to me.

I own the KGM RF22 and love the suppressor.

 

[lash]

A FFL isn't necessary to own the suppressor. I buy most of my supressors from Silencershop and they ship the suppressor to a FFL until I get the tax stamp back. Then they transfer the suppressor to me.

I own the KGM RF22 and love the suppressor.

True, an FFL isn’t necessary to own one, but is necessary to obtain one. Good clarification.

 

[BruceL]

Yeh I couldn't find a good ECTuner thread to 1/2-28. You would need to find someone to custom make and make it right concentrically. I couldn't find someone.

The ECTuner that I have fits 3/4 x 24 thread. There is not a suppressors that will fit that thread?

 

[lash]

The ECTuner that I have fits 3/4 x 24 thread. There is not a suppressors that will fit that thread?

I think that perhaps we might have misunderstood. You don’t want to add the suppression to the tuner, you will replace the tuner with a suppressor.

And yes, many suppressors can be had with 3/4” threads.

 

[BruceL]

I think that perhaps we might have misunderstood. You don’t want to add the suppression to the tuner, you will replace the tuner with a suppressor.

And yes, many suppressors can be had with 3/4” threads.

Correct, I only want to use the suppressor when I need the gun to be quieter. Otherwise, I will use the tuner. Thanks for the clarification.

 

[littlepod]

The ECTuner that I have fits 3/4 x 24 thread. There is not a suppressors that will fit that thread?

yeh that thread is fine, the .875 custom thread that the EC Tuner general fits on there are not suppressors for that.

 

[carbonbased]

One thing you might want to know is that because rimfire ammo is so dirty, you should buy a take-apart user-serviceable suppressor.

If you don’t you will probably find that your suppressor quickly fills up with carbon and lead, with little to no recourse to remove it.

Most centerfire suppressors are sealed. It has come to light that they too will fill up with carbon, but at a much slower rate. And because there’s little lead in centerfire blast, using something like CLR will do the job if done it at reasonable intervals (around 500-1000 rounds).

For rimfire suppressors, I own both the TBAC take down 22 and the Rugged Oculus (on a rifle, you can use the oculus’ short configuration to great effect. With pistols you’ll need the long config as short barrels = higher muzzle decibels).

This is kind of important, because CLR eats aluminum. What you’ll find is sometimes suppressors get so gummed up you can’t even open them up to service them, so your pour CLR in there to loosen things up. If the tube is made out of aluminum, you can’t do that.

Ideally, outside of a hard use 556 type suppressor where tough stainless is the go to material, for ease of cleaning a suppressor should be made out of titanium because that metal is unaffected by CLR.

A take apart center fire suppressor that I have used on rimfire in the past is the Banish 223 (and Banish 30). They are 100% titanium, except for the threads, which are stainless. You don’t want CLR to rest on the threads as it will etch stainless over time. I don’t believe this is a problem with stainless baffles, as I don’t think they are quite as picky about clearances. But don’t quote me on that.

They are made by a company called Silencer Central, which is a little bit of a strange place, but they are reputable. The nice thing about those suppressors is they work on rimfire or centerfire.

So if you’re buying the first suppressor and you want it to work on all your rifles they are a decent option. They also sell a very useful tool called the baffle jack. This allows you to press out the baffles very easily, even when quite dirty.

Anyway, I do believe there are other 100% titanium take apart rimfire suppressors, and if I had to do it over, I would go with one of those. Go to capital armory and look under the rimfire section.

 

[lash]

^^^ Good post.

 

[Seth W]

I own a Dead Air MASK. VERY highly thought of can, and works awesome. It comes apart for cleaning, and uses 12-28 threads like almost every rimfire rifle. Would recommend. All in, it's bout $650 OTD. Silencer Shop makes the acquisition pretty easy and painless.

 

[Cody S]

my advice is after you install your suppressor buy standard velocity ammo of like 1100 fps or slower because it will be hilariously quiet and you'll love it.
I shoot my 22 out my windows sometimes while the kids nap downstairs.. they never know.
i own a Thunder beast takedown 22 and it's awesome but it won't fit your thread if you're absolutely sure you got 3/4" threads

 

[Seth W]

I really don't think any manufacturer threads barrels 3/4". Even AR barrels aren't 3/4. Of course, someone may have done that themselves.

And I've noticed that the ammo has to be a little below subsonic to be super quiet. Standard velocity CCI ammo is noticeably louder than actual subsonic ammo. 1100 FPS is within a few feet of supersonic.
Also, subsonic may or may not cycle actions. I know that it WILL cycle my Ruger Mark IV no problem.

 

[Cowpokey]

I really don't think any manufacturer threads barrels 3/4". Even AR barrels aren't 3/4. Of course, someone may have done that themselves.

And I've noticed that the ammo has to be a little below subsonic to be super quiet. Standard velocity CCI ammo is noticeably louder than actual subsonic ammo. 1100 FPS is within a few feet of supersonic.
Also, subsonic may or may not cycle actions. I know that it WILL cycle my Ruger Mark IV no problem.

Ammo is either subsonic or it isn't*. CCI Standard Velocity is subsonic. Ammo sold as "suppressor**" is noticeably quieter, because it makes less noise to begin with.

*Some ammo flirts much closer to the speed of sound, say stuff labeled "long range" for example...depending on the environmentals it may or may not break the sound barrier, it is intended to stay subsonic.

**also subsonic, but slower.

 

[lash]

Ammo is either subsonic or it isn't*. CCI Standard Velocity is subsonic. Ammo sold as "suppressor**" is noticeably quieter, because it makes less noise to begin with.

*Some ammo flirts much closer to the speed of sound, say stuff labeled "long range" for example...depending on the environmentals it may or may not break the sound barrier, it is intended to stay subsonic.

**also subsonic, but slower.

Yes. Here in warm country during matches, we sometimes hear standard velocity rounds going out supersonic during the heat of summer.

 

[Cody S]

I have to disagree with the above posts. in my savage b22 the cci standard velocity is stupid quiet. like hilariously Hollywood quiet. so is the SK match I've tried. so far in *that* gun anything marked at 1100fps or slower is stupid quiet.
in my pistol anything marked as 1200fps or slower is fairly quiet, but it's a semi so it's definitely louder.

 

[Seth W]

I'll amend my statement to say, in the guns I have and the can I have, anything approaching supersonic is louder. I'm not convinced that if the manufacturers load to within a few feet of supersonic, that they can hold that tolerance and keep all the ammo subsonic. but still, yes, the standard stuff is still quieted down a decent amount.

 

[lash]

I have to disagree with the above posts. in my savage b22 the cci standard velocity is stupid quiet. like hilariously Hollywood quiet. so is the SK match I've tried. so far in *that* gun anything marked at 1100fps or slower is stupid quiet.
in my pistol anything marked as 1200fps or slower is fairly quiet, but it's a semi so it's definitely louder.

How can you disagree with the statement that some standard velocity ammo can become supersonic when it’s hot out?

Also, different barrels will shoot the same ammo at different speeds.

Now, I totally believe that your can works great for you and your rifle. All we are saying is it isn’t the same with all rifles and all cases.

Come attend my June or August match here in Central Florida. You will have the opportunity to hear the difference at some point. Same rifle, same ammo, sometimes the same stage. You’ll suddenly hear the crack (somewhat subdued by a can if that’s the case) of supersonic over the standard sound of subsonic rounds.

 

[Cody S]

I'm new to rimfire and I've always loaded with really temp stable powders so I never thought about it. Definitely interesting... I'm not sure how you BR guys can control all these little variables without handloading...
but yeah I only have 3 22 rifles and 1 22 pistol so not enough of a sample size combined with I don't shoot 22 on hot days *yet*