So chalking tires is a 4th Amendment violation.....

[pmclaine]

Detroit SJC determines that meter maids chalking car tires to check for violations is a 4th amendment violation.

https://www.detroitnews.com/story/n...king-mich-declared-unconstitutional/39379511/

They liken it to warrentless search.

I dont condemn them for their applying protections of the Bill of Rights to the extreme but where are these guys on the Second Amendment?

 

[Crang]

There was a windowless bar in the small town where I grew up. Cops would chalk tires in the parking lot then later that night pull over whoever they saw with those marks....

 

[pmclaine]

There was a windowless bar in the small town where I grew up. Cops would chalk tires in the parking lot then later that night pull over whoever they saw with those marks....

Much different than chalking tires to determine who is "meter feeding".

Would rather the court found the meters unconstitutional on the grounds of double taxation. I already paid for the road, why must I pay to park on it.

 

[AMGtuned]

I used to give them hell when I caught them chalking my tires. They dont clean them.....if I wanted chalk colored lettering, I would've ordered the tires that way

 

[Blue Sky Country]

A lot of similar cases like this happen all of the time in metro NYC, where "guerrilla" art venues, sidewalk vendors, and ad hoc lot market operators are in a constant battle against the authorities. In a majority of the cases, their lawyers use the Bill of Rights to extend extreme protections to their clients and the courts side with them routinely.

However, the unspoken pact among these people is that the Bill of Rights are to be applied with fanatical zeal to everything EXCEPT the 2nd Amendment. God forbid you are a gun owner being railroaded for "administrative code violations" regarding firearms storage / transport, an out-of-towner who did not know the city's gun laws before taking your personal sidearm with you, or someone involved in a 'good shoot'. You will NEVER get support from these organizations. As a matter of fact, these same groups who vehemently use the BOR as a legal shield for hipster sidewalk venues will rally AGAINST you if you are a gun owner.

The conclusion? That goes to show that these social justice orgs. and the government entities backing them are truly authoritarian in nature. Do you realize that all of the "rights" that they champion for have no significance in actually preventing tyranny?

Sexual freedom: Personal liberty issue. No armed threat to the State.

Right to artistic expression and lowering of body modification legal age limit: Same thing. You are just fucking yourself up with piercings and whatnot. No danger to the state.

Lowering of legal age for smoking / electronic cigarette purchases / decriminalizing marijuana use: Once again, you are just killing yourself. No threat to the state.

Gun ownership on the other hand? That is one right that enables the common civilian to take on the State's enforcement apparatus with a ranged weapon of extremely potent capability. In contrast to the other "rights" listed above, the gun represents true personal empowerment and a cutting edge against any predatory actions by the state. Therefore, the concept is intolerable to those who want to be in control.

The state and it's social justice minions will fight for ANY right that you want, ONLY if that right does not impede their efforts to maintain control and power. You can smoke all the cigarettes and weed that you want, have as many abortions as you like, switch to another gender every day, walk on the street with as many piercings and needles sticking out of you as you please, and of course, occupy a parking space for as long as you want. These are things that they can give to you and take away at their will. However, owning a gun? Having the ability to kill the State's enforcers if they go rogue? That is blasphemous and abhorrent to their very institution of power in the hands of a selected elite.

 

[ArmyJerry]

well mich and detroit are freedom loving gun toters.

Detroit SJC determines that meter maids chalking car tires to check for violations is a 4th amendment violation.

https://www.detroitnews.com/story/n...king-mich-declared-unconstitutional/39379511/

They liken it to warrentless search.

I dont condemn them for their applying protections of the Bill of Rights to the extreme but where are these guys on the Second Amendment?

 

[ArmyJerry]

surprised these little hoodlums that chalk and vandalize people cars arent getting their ass kicked more often,

 

[Crang]

Much different than chalking tires to determine who is "meter feeding".

Would rather the court found the meters unconstitutional on the grounds of double taxation. I already paid for the road, why must I pay to park on it.

Is it? Both are aimed at raising revenue for the town. One is argued to be illegal search seizure while the other most definitely triggered searches and seizures. ...can't say I agree with either. Most vehicle tickets of every type seem like more of a way to add taxes while claiming public safety. Quotas wouldnt exist if it was based on public safety alone. If it was about saving lives tickets for texting and driving would be every bit as bad as driving under the influence.

 

[pmclaine]

Is it? Both are aimed at raising revenue for the town. One is argued to be illegal search seizure while the other most definitely triggered searches and seizures. ...can't say I agree with either. Most vehicle tickets of every type seem like more of a way to add taxes while claiming public safety. Quotas wouldnt exist if it was based on public safety alone. If it was about saving lives tickets for texting and driving would be every bit as bad as driving under the influence.

You chalk the tires in a parking slot to determine evidence of a crime.

Chalking the tires at the bar and using that as reason for stop is fishing. Are they actually observing a violation or just assuming because someone was at a bar they are impaired?

Chalking tires should be disallowed unless the parking officers are doing it from Harley Davidson Servicars with a tank shift as in the old days.

 

[QuickNDirty]

I'm not sure I understand this tire chalking phenomenon at all.

What's the point? How does it work? Never seen .gov put chalk on a tire.

 

[abn31c]

I'm not sure I understand this tire chalking phenomenon at all.

What's the point? How does it work? Never seen .gov put chalk on a tire.

If you have chalk marks on your tires you have either been marked for taxation or further investigation.

 

[QuickNDirty]

I get it now.. They mark the tire with chalk and clock the time, then check back in 2 hours to see if the chalk line is in the same position.

 

[Bender]

I'm not sure I understand this tire chalking phenomenon at all.

What's the point? How does it work? Never seen .gov put chalk on a tire.

They chalk the flat part of the tire as they drive around the streets. If the chalk is visible after your allotted time, you get a ticket.

 

[Bender]

The cops marking tires at a Bar is horrible police work. Could be thrown out in court if that’s the reason they pull you over. If they find actual cause then it doesn’t matter. Busted.

 

[Loonhunter]

Today they chalk your tires.
Tomorrow they seize your assets.
Fuckers.

 

[QuickNDirty]

They chalk the flat part of the tire as they drive around the streets. If the chalk is visible after your allotted time, you get a ticket.

That's downright unAmerican... British, even...

 

[Veer_G]

Don't tell Fife. He'll have a breakdown.

 

[Bender]

That's downright unAmerican... British, even...

I would wait my 1.5 hours or so and then go back up my car 10” to Hide the chalk marks. Sometimes I did it four times in a day. Or go drive it around the block. And park it on the other side of the street. Never got a ticket in 4 years of doing it lol.

 

[QuickNDirty]

I would wait my 1.5 hours or so and then go back up my car 10” to Hide the chalk marks. Sometimes I did it four times in a day. Or go drive it around the block. And park it on the other side of the street. Never got a tick in 4 years of doing it lol.

Maybe I'm just lucky, but I don't spend much time in nazi occupied territory where people care about where or for how long you're parked. Certainly not trying to charge you money for it, those for those occasions I do find myself in, I look for the all-day reservations.

 

[cornhusker86]

This just in,

" House initiates impeachment proceedings against President Trump based upon an unpaid parking violation in NYC from 1973. "

 

[Bender]

Maybe I'm just lucky, but I don't spend much time in nazi occupied territory where people care about where or for how long you're parked. Certainly not trying to charge you money for it, those for those occasions I do find myself in, I look for the all-day reservations.

My brother in law owned a 5story building in downtown Cheyenne. We had a mortgage brokerage for a while before Obama slit the throats of all the little brokerages saying it was “to protect the buyers” when in fact it just helped the big banks. Go figure. I went from making good money to nothing. Went back to construction management.

He has since sold the building.

 

[Loonhunter]

My brother in law owned a 5story building in downtown Cheyenne. We had a mortgage brokerage for a while before Obama slit the throats of all the little brokerages saying it was “to protect the buyers” when in fact it just helped the big banks. Go figure. I went from making good money to nothing. Went back to construction management.

He has since sold the building.

Nice story.
Did his tires get chalked?

 

[j-huskey]

A long time ago, in another galaxy, maybe b4 dinosaurs, Robert's Rule of law was a basis for
Criminal law to protect citizens from evil.
Civil law to protect citizens general property issues not criminal.

Kinda worked well, unless Judge Colt had to settle it.

Somewhere about the time of dinosaurs, Army Jerry had to travel to another galaxy, to fix their problems.

B4 he got back, and the big rock killed the dinosaurs, some evil things called lawyers crawled out from under the compost pile, n f'd things up really bad.
The lawyers n city administrators figured out a lot of ways to create revenue to do "wonderful things", and since AJ was off in another galaxy, they got by with that junk. Robert's Rule of law, went the way of the dinosaurs.

The administrators looked at childhood school times, where me and some others had to write on the board with chalk, a whole damn bunch...
Well, they spending a f'ton of $ on chalk, @Bender having to write a million times, "I will not ... pigeons", and it clicked,
"The heathens are used to chalk, and we can use chalk against them to make $ to pay for the chalk and other "wonderful things",
Except Bender fooled them, see his post above....

By the time AJ got back in this galaxy, and saw just how f'd up things were, he went on a "fixing spree" and now it's his full time job... some of the people who sniffed too much chalk dust cant handle blunt truth, and those us with calluses on our writing fingers, embedded with chalk dust 40 + years later, are offended by chalk that tries to take our $ now.

Damn chalk...

AJ, u gonna start a buy more erasers thing ? ?
Ammo isnt stopping them, yet...
???

 

[Bender]

Nice story.
Did his tires get chalked?

Yup we would go down and move 3 cars at a time. Lol

 

[Loonhunter]

Yup we would go down and move 3 cars at a time. Lol

Wouldn’t it have been easier to remove the chalk?

 

[QuickNDirty]

Wouldn’t it have been easier to remove the chalk?

Seriously... Were they using permanent chalk or something?

 

[Loonhunter]

I think we just stunned @Bender

 

[j-huskey]

Hot rubber is mildly porous. Chalk dust imbeds in the pores. Rag leaves the dust, brush, leaves some, immersion in water removes it. Quicker and cleaner (on you) to move the car. We never tried spraying armor all with a brush, might have worked. Damn chalk.

I mean, who the f carries junk around to get chalk off their tires.

Some of you miscreants should remember how hard it was to get off the blackboard between those hundred per, "I will not post pictures of @Bender with a pigeon"...

 

[QuickNDirty]

Hot rubber is mildly porous. Chalk dust imbeds in the pores. Rag leaves the dust, brush, leaves some, immersion in water removes it. Quicker and cleaner (on you) to move the car. We never tried spraying armor all with a brush, might have worked. Damn chalk.

I mean, who the f carries junk around to get chalk off their tires.

If I'm having to move 3 cars a day to appease the communists, I'm simultaneously trying to improve the process...

Haven't had the need for that, but off the top of my head some water pumped into an expired fire extinguisher and then pressurized might work OK...

Or, you know... something along those lines.

It might work pretty well just to fucking spray paint it, though. Hell if I know.

 

[Loonhunter]

Hot rubber is mildly porous. Chalk dust imbeds in the pores. Rag leaves the dust, brush, leaves some, immersion in water removes it. Quicker and cleaner (on you) to move the car. We never tried spraying armor all with a brush, might have worked. Damn chalk.

I mean, who the f carries junk around to get chalk off their tires.

I would if I had to move 3 cars four times a day.

 

[sirhrmechanic]

That's downright unAmerican... British, even...

Well, the Brit's have a Magna-Carta... but no Constitution.

When you leave your car parked too long, a big truck with a beam crane on it comes along... slings up your car by the four tires... and hauls it away. They don't screw around with boots and chalk.

Watched them in London... they could have an Audi out of a parking space and onto a flatbed in 3 minutes flat.

Cheers,

Sirhr

 

[pmclaine]

I'm not sure I understand this tire chalking phenomenon at all.

What's the point? How does it work? Never seen .gov put chalk on a tire.

Most meters have a two hour limit and you are not allowed to feed the meter, you have to move to another spot.

The maid chalks the tire, writes a time down, comes back at what would be the end of two hours and if car is still there it gets ticketed.

I haven't seen that kind of enforcement since Andy Griffith went off the air.

 

[pmclaine]

Well, the Brit's have a Magna-Carta... but no Constitution.

When you leave your car parked too long, a big truck with a beam crane on it comes along... slings up your car by the four tires... and hauls it away. They don't screw around with boots and chalk.

Watched them in London... they could have an Audi out of a parking space and onto a flatbed in 3 minutes flat.

Cheers,

Sirhr

Watched that operation in Glasgow.

They fly the car right out of its spot.

Only thing almost as efficient is in D.C. When the trucks come out and clear all the cars off the street on to the grass of the Mall for rush hour traffic to move through unimpeded.

 

[Snipe260]

City gov just took over our boat landings here. They started charging five dollar parking fees! No signs or nothing came out and had ticket on my car. Saw the city officer at the boat ramp about three weeks later and called him a commie bastard! Aj would have been proud!

 

[wade2big]

I feel for you guys that have to deal with this. I’m sure glad I live in a small town. I have never heard of chalking tires and did not know that you couldn’t park at a meter and stay there as long as money is being put in. I have paid to park at a venue but never paid to park on the street.

 

[ArmyJerry]

Its a never ending battle, sometimes a hot war battle and sometimes a chalk board battle. I think we are in a slow motion transitional phase at this point in time...

Road pirates and citizen alike will be picking sides soon, all the way down to the municipal level.. the amount of resources demanded by the monster is too much and most Americans wouldn't mind seeing the house implode or burn to the frikken ground right now.

A long time ago, in another galaxy, maybe b4 dinosaurs, Robert's Rule of law was a basis for
Criminal law to protect citizens from evil.
Civil law to protect citizens general property issues not criminal.

Kinda worked well, unless Judge Colt had to settle it.

Somewhere about the time of dinosaurs, Army Jerry had to travel to another galaxy, to fix their problems.

B4 he got back, and the big rock killed the dinosaurs, some evil things called lawyers crawled out from under the compost pile, n f'd things up really bad.
The lawyers n city administrators figured out a lot of ways to create revenue to do "wonderful things", and since AJ was off in another galaxy, they got by with that junk. Robert's Rule of law, went the way of the dinosaurs.

The administrators looked at childhood school times, where me and some others had to write on the board with chalk, a whole damn bunch...
Well, they spending a f'ton of $ on chalk, @Bender having to write a million times, "I will not ... pigeons", and it clicked,
"The heathens are used to chalk, and we can use chalk against them to make $ to pay for the chalk and other "wonderful things",
Except Bender fooled them, see his post above....

By the time AJ got back in this galaxy, and saw just how f'd up things were, he went on a "fixing spree" and now it's his full time job... some of the people who sniffed too much chalk dust cant handle blunt truth, and those us with calluses on our writing fingers, embedded with chalk dust 40 + years later, are offended by chalk that tries to take our $ now.

Damn chalk...

AJ, u gonna start a buy more erasers thing ? ?
Ammo isnt stopping them, yet...
???

 

[W54/XM-388]

and most Americans wouldn't mind seeing the house implode or burn to the frikken ground right now.

I'll bet plenty also would like a ringside seat to watch a near extinction level event do a good job of cleaning up the planet.

 

[Lapuapalooza]

I think we just stunned @Bender

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Chalk that one up as a win!! ????

 

[FS1]

Can you imagine if someone told the founders they needed a license to ride their horse. Also they would need to register and insure said horse. That alone could have started the Revolution.

Or what if they told George he was being fined because he never pulled a permit for Mount Vernon.

Once Govt gets its claws in you, it will never let go.

 

[Rlandry]

Maybe chalking exists because the PDs are simply not smart enough to do it any differently. Who knows?
It'a a non-issue for me. I live in a large city(Austin), but I never park anywhere where there are meters. The places where I shop/eat, etc., can maintain their parking lots out of their operating budgets.
I also refuse to drive on toll roads. I pay for that in gas tax every time I go to the pump, and I spend less money on gas sitting on a feeder and waiting for a light change than I would paying the additional tax to the state for using a toll road. My time is cheap.
Bottom line... Anything that starves our bloated, self-serving, totalitarian, oppressive government out of a single dollar at any level is fine with me, and that includes boycotting their toll roads.

And I'm sure this post probably puts me on the brown shirt watch list. I could give a shit less.

 

[myronman3]

fucking toll roads....that’s another burr under my saddle. if i had my way, they’d put up gates at the wisconsin border, and anyone from a state with toll roads would have to pay a “toll” to come in. from a state without? come on in boys, no toll, the water’s fine.
fucking toll roads.

 

[Crang]

Maybe chalking exists because the PDs are simply not smart enough to do it any differently. Who knows?
It'a a non-issue for me. I live in a large city(Austin), but I never park anywhere where there are meters. The places where I shop/eat, etc., can maintain their parking lots out of their operating budgets.
I also refuse to drive on toll roads. I pay for that in gas tax every time I go to the pump, and I spend less money on gas sitting on a feeder and waiting for a light change than I would paying the additional tax to the state for using a toll road. My time is cheap.
Bottom line... Anything that starves our bloated, self-serving, totalitarian, oppressive government out of a single dollar at any level is fine with me, and that includes boycotting their toll roads.

And I'm sure this post probably puts me on the brown shirt watch list. I could give a shit less.

Ive lived and worked in Austin plenty but have in a few other major cities over the years as well. I actually like the toll road system here- which is privately owned in a way. Cintra Concesiones de Infraestructuras de Transporte a company from Spain builds and runs the ones here-Perry was clearly on the take from them lol. They pay to build and maintain it and charge the tolls and the state gets a piece of the toll for providing the land which is a lease. Anyway- its nice to have the option of the toll road. I dont take it much either but sometimes my time really is valuable or I am in a huge hurry and its a great option. I say this as opposed to when I worked in NYC living in NJ for a stint and HAD to take the toll roads i.e. the Garden State Parkway and NJ Turnpike as there was no other option. In Texas you have the option not to and to go slower which is how it should be. Plus traffic moves near 100mph on 130 (speed limit is 85mph which seems more a loose suggestion) which is just fun to do sometimes. The private-ish roads are built to a higher standard and have higher speed limits as a result than the government built public roads.

 

[RyanScott]

I love the toll roads. You don’t have to share them with poor people.

 

[W54/XM-388]

Plus traffic moves near 100mph on 130 (speed limit is 85mph which seems more a loose suggestion) which is just fun to do sometimes. The private-ish roads are built to a higher standard and have higher speed limits as a result than the government built public roads.

As I recall, there was some agreement that the company would pay extra to the state if the "safety study" found that the road supported the higher 85mph speed limit.

 

[Mike Casselton]

Most meters have a two hour limit and you are not allowed to feed the meter, you have to move to another spot.

The maid chalks the tire, writes a time down, comes back at what would be the end of two hours and if car is still there it gets ticketed.

I haven't seen that kind of enforcement since Andy Griffith went off the air.

St Petersburg, FL still uses chalk.
The residents are okay with that because the alternative is the city installing more meters.

 

[Mike Casselton]

fucking toll roads....that’s another burr under my saddle. if i had my way, they’d put up gates at the wisconsin border, and anyone from a state with toll roads would have to pay a “toll” to come in. from a state without? come on in boys, no toll, the water’s fine.
fucking toll roads.

I fucking hate toll roads. Heard on the news this morning that some groups (most likely idiots from IL and NY) want to put a toll road from Tampa to the GA state line. Their excuse is for hurricane evacuation and to ease traffic on the I-75 corridor.
Environmental groups are livid over this. I bet the SOB gets built.

 

[Mike Casselton]

Ive lived and worked in Austin plenty but have in a few other major cities over the years as well. I actually like the toll road system here- which is privately owned in a way. Cintra Concesiones de Infraestructuras de Transporte a company from Spain builds and runs the ones here-Perry was clearly on the take from them lol. They pay to build and maintain it and charge the tolls and the state gets a piece of the toll for providing the land which is a lease. Anyway- its nice to have the option of the toll road. I dont take it much either but sometimes my time really is valuable or I am in a huge hurry and its a great option. I say this as opposed to when I worked in NYC living in NJ for a stint and HAD to take the toll roads i.e. the Garden State Parkway and NJ Turnpike as there was no other option. In Texas you have the option not to and to go slower which is how it should be. Plus traffic moves near 100mph on 130 (speed limit is 85mph which seems more a loose suggestion) which is just fun to do sometimes. The private-ish roads are built to a higher standard and have higher speed limits as a result than the government built public roads.

The time savings is great. However whenever improvements need to be made tolls go up long before the improvement is completed. Once they complete the improvement, tolls go up again.
Then there is the cluster fuck with billing issues...

 

[myronman3]

I love the toll roads. You don’t have to share them with poor people.

It’s not so much the toll that pisses me off, although the tolls do. It’s the stopping every mile or two to get robbed that really pisses me off. It’s like getting mugged every couple miles. No sooner than you get up to speed, then you have to slow down and get mugged again.

 

[Crang]

As I recall, there was some agreement that the company would pay extra to the state if the "safety study" found that the road supported the higher 85mph speed limit.

I vauguely recall that too although they actually did have to build the roads to a different spec to handle the increased speed.

 

[BearNaked]

In a small town, deep in Texas. we had a cop chalk tires at the local bar then pull over everyone that he saw on the road later that night. he was busted, fired, and all the charges dropped from his arrests.