Rifle Scopes So tell me if this is a crazy idea.....

[rogue308]

I was playing around with a new M2 optic/laser mount that the scout platoon I'm attached to received awhile back. It made me think of the problem a few of you bigger caliber guys have. I know one person posted awhile back that hated having to zero his .300 win mag out so far so that he didn't have to do as many adjustments, but come time for hunting or a competition that had the close up shots he was out of luck. The general consensus was suck it up, zero at 100 and get good at adjusting a lot quickly. Well with this mount you can adjust the base. How much I'm not sure. It is VERY solid though with no play at all. I was thinking about maybe making something like this on a MUCH smaller scale for a precision rifle. The first problem I see is how far away the scope will be from the action and barrel. I'll try to keep it as low as possible. As far as sight picture I think if you have an adjustable cheek piece(A.I., A5 etc.) you should be good. The idea is for when it's flat you're at 0 MOA. click the lever and bam you're at 20. There might be a 0-30 model as well. The confusing part in my eyes is that you'll have two dope sheets and I'm all about keeping it simple. So what I'm asking is am I missing something here? Other than what the mil. has taught me I'm not an expert on this aftermarket stuff by any means. Just thought I'd run it past the guys that are. I do have access to a machine shop when I get back and if there was enough interest in this I think it might be something worth while.

 

[BobinNC]

Re: So tell me if this is a crazy idea.....

rogue308,

I admire your ingenuity, but I think you have a solution in search of a problem. My rifle has a Mildot reticle and Mil adjustments. If I zero my .308 Winny @ 100 yds., and I have a drop chart. If my target is a deer seen @ 500 yds, I can:

A) Dial up 3 mils (30 clicks)
B) Or Just Use the 3rd mildot below the crosshair and not dial anything.

Or I can zero my 308 @ 300 yds, and I see a deer @ 100 yds, I can:

A) Dial down 1.2 mils (12) clicks
B) Or Just Use the first mildot above the crosshair.

In any event your friends problem was not where his zero was, but a simple failure to use his equipment to it's fullest advantage.

Besides, if I have to worry where my mount is set, and worry about where my scope is set, that's one to many things that can go wrong. Plus you will need two sets of data. Mount near, mount far. Way too much information to remember when the time comes, or to carry around with you.

Not trying to pee on your Wheaties, but those are my thoughts...

Bob

 

[JRose]

Re: So tell me if this is a crazy idea.....

I agree with Bob, although it's good to see people thinking outside the box!

 

[427Cobra]

Re: So tell me if this is a crazy idea.....

Bob nailed it

 

[rogue308]

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I agree it would be a waste of time on a .308. I said this would be meant for the bigger calibers. How much adjustment do you need to get to 1500-1700 with a .300 win mag or .338 lapua from a 1-200 yd zero? That's what this would be applied for.

 

[Walsh]

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I think US Optics beat you to it, they have a mount that goes from 20-60 MOA IIRC.

 

[chrismadrid]

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And there's this - with Dial in

IOR - Romanian pages.

 

[rogue308]

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I was wondering if there might already be something out there similar to this. Thanks for the input guys. I'll go stick to what I know now.

 

[LFOD1776]

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Aha! Finally found it! http://iveyshooting.com/

I knew I'd seen these before -- elevation-adjustable rings and bases.

 

[cavscout1983]

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well, that mount certainly brings a new dimension to the "Near! Far!" game that has comprised many a smoking.

 

[Metalhead0483]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: LFOD1776</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Aha! Finally found it! http://iveyshooting.com/

I knew I'd seen these before -- elevation-adjustable rings and bases. </div></div>

Holy crap. Do you think that raises the scope high enough?

 

[maccrazy2]

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I think the leatherwood scopes have something similar built into the base.

 

[LFOD1776]

Re: So tell me if this is a crazy idea.....

I think the Ivey contraption is no worse than what the OP was showing us, in terms of adding extra height. I've always been strangely intrigued by it -- a solution in search of a problem is a phrase that comes to mind. It's advertised all the time in "Very High Power", the FCSA magazine.

Adjustable bases are nothing new. Elcan scopes feature windage and elevation adjustments on the base, not inside the tube. The Leatherwood ART-II "camputer" is another, as maccrazy2 points out.

 

[Spooky]

Re: So tell me if this is a crazy idea.....

From Miracle Machine Works:

 

[scotharr]

Re: So tell me if this is a crazy idea.....

agree with Bob, a fix in need of a problem. Plus it adds weight, bulk, and yet another moveable part to break or fall out of alignment.

 

[RollingThunder51]

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Jim Leatherwood some 35 years ago....

ART

ARTII

Cams and springs and this new wonder with 120 MOA built right in.

 

[Spuhr]

Re: So tell me if this is a crazy idea.....

The general idea about having the adjustments in the mount instead of in the scope is not very good.
The mechanics required to attach a 1-2 lbs scope during recoil and rough handling is entierly different from what is required to hold and adjust an erector that maybe weight an ounze during the same conditions.
The mechanics that holds the scope is subject to dust, rain and all other problems while the adjustments inside the scope have a perfect atmosphere.
And as the adjustments is very fine, the tolerances are even smaller, small tolerances and mechanics made for dust adn sand is no good combination.

So generally I am against external adjustments.
However I am quite convinced that it can be made, but also that it more easaly will fail......

Håkan

 

[Spooky]

Re: So tell me if this is a crazy idea.....

ScooterPIE and Spuhr, while I see where you're coming from, the Miracle mount is so well machined (and built like armor) that not much besides dust could ever get in and I doubt it would affect anything. If it ever got a load of sand in the guts, I would pick up the back of the scope and pour half a canteen of water in it and keep running.

Weight wise it is a bit heavier than a steel picatinny and steel rings are, but I'm runnng aluminum rings and could run a lighter scope to compensate for the weight. The beauty of the adjustable mount is that if you have a scope with excellent glass but not a lot of adjustment, you can get all the range you need from the mount (this rifle has a Mk4 with a 30mm tube, but you could run a 1 inch tube with 20 min of adjustment and be gtg).