So... what kind of groups do you shoot using service rifle or loop sling.
- Thread starter ChrisBCS
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There may be some guys who could post some "groups" but it's a bit of a different animal in service rifle compared to precision rifle as far as guys posting groups.
The thing to remember with a loop sling/service rifle is that the sling is simply an aid for your properly-built position which is based on skeletal support, muscular relaxation, and natural point of aim. The sling just serves to help "lock" you into the position and provide some stabilization for that tiny sight wobble. It's in no way a substitute for a good position, and won't make a bad position "good", it's just an added "bonus" to enhance an already good position.
I think [MENTION=3136]Sterling Shooter[/MENTION] is going to be the hands-down SME on this topic though.
The thing to remember with a loop sling/service rifle is that the sling is simply an aid for your properly-built position which is based on skeletal support, muscular relaxation, and natural point of aim. The sling just serves to help "lock" you into the position and provide some stabilization for that tiny sight wobble. It's in no way a substitute for a good position, and won't make a bad position "good", it's just an added "bonus" to enhance an already good position.
I think [MENTION=3136]Sterling Shooter[/MENTION] is going to be the hands-down SME on this topic though.
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Ok, I'll bite. The picture below shows two groups. The first group is the first clip out of my recently acquired Harrington & Richardson CMP Special M1 Garand. The 8 shots are loosely grouped in the 9 ring of this target. I moved the rear sight down 4 clicks and fired the second clip. The second group is the second clip out of the same rifle. The x-ring on this target is 3 inches in diameter.
Ammunition-Remington 150 gr Core-Lokt
These 16 shots are...
The first I have ever shot out of a Garand,
The first I have ever shot with a M1907 style sling (Turner All weather NM sling),
The first I have ever fired open sight at 100 yards,
The first 30-06 I have ever fired.
These were all shot with a center of mass hold. No doubt my precision would have been somewhat better with a 6 o'clock hold but this will be my deer rifle this year and I have more confidence with center of mass. I'm not going to be making high master any time soon, but for the number of firsts, I'm not discouraged.
Ammunition-Remington 150 gr Core-Lokt
These 16 shots are...
The first I have ever shot out of a Garand,
The first I have ever shot with a M1907 style sling (Turner All weather NM sling),
The first I have ever fired open sight at 100 yards,
The first 30-06 I have ever fired.
These were all shot with a center of mass hold. No doubt my precision would have been somewhat better with a 6 o'clock hold but this will be my deer rifle this year and I have more confidence with center of mass. I'm not going to be making high master any time soon, but for the number of firsts, I'm not discouraged.
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I use the sling (M1907 type) in most of my shooting, including hunting. In the Vintage sniper matches you can either use the sling, or sand bags, but not both.
I found I shoot my M1903A4 much better using the sling then I do using the sand bags.
The trick to using the sling, is using the sling properly. It should eliminate all use of muscles to hold the rifle. Upon recoil the proper sling position will always cause you to fall back to your natural point of (relaxed) aim.
Went on a bear hunt in Idaho this last spring. The guide saw my sling on my rifle ( an inline muzzle loader) and told me the sling wouldn't work for hunting saying I needed bi-pods. I don't have one and don't want one, I figured Id get buy.
So he puts me on my stand. Straight up and straight down. I had to dig an step to be able to set to observed the bait. Sling would work perfect, I noticed where I set a bi-pod would have to have 6 ft, legs to work.
The sling is lighter and faster the bi-pods, and doesn't get hung up in the brush.
Oh well, to each his own, I'll stick to my sling.
I found I shoot my M1903A4 much better using the sling then I do using the sand bags.
The trick to using the sling, is using the sling properly. It should eliminate all use of muscles to hold the rifle. Upon recoil the proper sling position will always cause you to fall back to your natural point of (relaxed) aim.
Went on a bear hunt in Idaho this last spring. The guide saw my sling on my rifle ( an inline muzzle loader) and told me the sling wouldn't work for hunting saying I needed bi-pods. I don't have one and don't want one, I figured Id get buy.
So he puts me on my stand. Straight up and straight down. I had to dig an step to be able to set to observed the bait. Sling would work perfect, I noticed where I set a bi-pod would have to have 6 ft, legs to work.
The sling is lighter and faster the bi-pods, and doesn't get hung up in the brush.
Oh well, to each his own, I'll stick to my sling.
