Cos, two pound of gyros lamb and excessive amounts of onion is exactly what every man needs on a sunday night...
Maggie’s Souvlaki, Greece's natural super-food
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Souvlaki is outstanding.
Note,
QQ needs to stop in Tarpon springs to get a Souvlaki ths week!
Sorry was distracted by the prospect of fine greek food!
Where you from Remoah? Victor would ask you to fill out your profile.
Souvlaki is outstanding.
Note,
QQ needs to stop in Tarpon springs to get a Souvlaki ths week!
Sorry was distracted by the prospect of fine greek food!
Where you from Remoah? Victor would ask you to fill out your profile.
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My preferred lunch from the cart across Broadway, fronting on Liberty Plaza Park, pre-9/11, of course.
My preferred lunch from the cart across Broadway, fronting on Liberty Plaza Park, pre-9/11, of course.
Re: Souvlaki, Greece's natural super-food
Well, now I know what I'm getting for lunch today, at least.
Well, now I know what I'm getting for lunch today, at least.
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Let's see, I'll be in Clearwater in the morning until around 11:30...Need to make my way to Brookesville by 1:00 and it just so happens that Tarpon Springs is conveniently located along the way up U.S 19...
I'll stop in at Pappas's and buy two and a large Diet Coke!
Gyros are for tourists!
Let's see, I'll be in Clearwater in the morning until around 11:30...Need to make my way to Brookesville by 1:00 and it just so happens that Tarpon Springs is conveniently located along the way up U.S 19...
I'll stop in at Pappas's and buy two and a large Diet Coke!
Gyros are for tourists!
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Haha. I swear i filled the thing out.
Melbourne, Australia. Fraknston to be specific, but i wouldnt go too much into that.
Pre sure Gyros is the meat... maybe it's one of those discrepencies in food naming between Aust and the rest of the world.
I'm pretty sure Greeks make the best food. Theres a place across the road from the local pub that does the best souvlaki, especially when you've had more than a few too many. Hits the spot.
Haha. I swear i filled the thing out.
Melbourne, Australia. Fraknston to be specific, but i wouldnt go too much into that.
Pre sure Gyros is the meat... maybe it's one of those discrepencies in food naming between Aust and the rest of the world.
I'm pretty sure Greeks make the best food. Theres a place across the road from the local pub that does the best souvlaki, especially when you've had more than a few too many. Hits the spot.
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Remoah</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Haha. I swear i filled the thing out.
Melbourne, Australia. Fraknston to be specific, but i wouldnt go too much into that.
Pre sure Gyros is the meat... maybe it's one of those discrepencies in food naming between Aust and the rest of the world.
I'm pretty sure Greeks make the best food. Theres a place across the road from the local pub that does the best souvlaki, especially when you've had more than a few too many. Hits the spot. </div></div>
I grew up (In a mixed family Armenian and Lebanese) in a town with a lot of Greek people and we used to argue about who invented what in the eastern Med! All in good fun, mostly!
Perhaps some of our Greek members can correct me but Gyros are generally made from the meat-loaf like cone which may or may not be Lamb based, whereas Souvlaki is made from actual lamb meat.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Souvlaki
The Gyro is also quite good and usually cheaper. I think of it as a large Greek sausage! (Fuck off CKA!)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gyros
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Remoah</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Haha. I swear i filled the thing out.
Melbourne, Australia. Fraknston to be specific, but i wouldnt go too much into that.
Pre sure Gyros is the meat... maybe it's one of those discrepencies in food naming between Aust and the rest of the world.
I'm pretty sure Greeks make the best food. Theres a place across the road from the local pub that does the best souvlaki, especially when you've had more than a few too many. Hits the spot. </div></div>
I grew up (In a mixed family Armenian and Lebanese) in a town with a lot of Greek people and we used to argue about who invented what in the eastern Med! All in good fun, mostly!
Perhaps some of our Greek members can correct me but Gyros are generally made from the meat-loaf like cone which may or may not be Lamb based, whereas Souvlaki is made from actual lamb meat.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Souvlaki
The Gyro is also quite good and usually cheaper. I think of it as a large Greek sausage! (Fuck off CKA!)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gyros
Re: Souvlaki, Greece's natural super-food
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: queequeg</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> I think of it as a large Greek sausage! </div></div>
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: queequeg</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> I think of it as a large Greek sausage! </div></div>
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Hmmm.
Not sure but im fairly sure Gyros down here is just the meat, whilst the Souvlaki is the combination of Meat+Bread+Tasty Fillings.
Probably depends on area. Down here we call Potato Cakes a Potato Cake and those heretics up in NSW called them 'Potato Scallops' or something like that.
But i've never ordered a Gyros, i will soon, and check. Maybe it is the meat-loafy stuff.
Hmmm.
Not sure but im fairly sure Gyros down here is just the meat, whilst the Souvlaki is the combination of Meat+Bread+Tasty Fillings.
Probably depends on area. Down here we call Potato Cakes a Potato Cake and those heretics up in NSW called them 'Potato Scallops' or something like that.
But i've never ordered a Gyros, i will soon, and check. Maybe it is the meat-loafy stuff.
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Remoah</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Hmmm.
Not sure but im fairly sure Gyros down here is just the meat, whilst the Souvlaki is the combination of Meat+Bread+Tasty Fillings.
Probably depends on area. Down here we call Potato Cakes a Potato Cake and those heretics up in NSW called them 'Potato Scallops' or something like that.
But i've never ordered a Gyros, i will soon, and check. Maybe it is the meat-loafy stuff. </div></div>
We are a people separated by a common language!
Then again, you should see what some people here call pizza...
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Remoah</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Hmmm.
Not sure but im fairly sure Gyros down here is just the meat, whilst the Souvlaki is the combination of Meat+Bread+Tasty Fillings.
Probably depends on area. Down here we call Potato Cakes a Potato Cake and those heretics up in NSW called them 'Potato Scallops' or something like that.
But i've never ordered a Gyros, i will soon, and check. Maybe it is the meat-loafy stuff. </div></div>
We are a people separated by a common language!
Then again, you should see what some people here call pizza...
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Yeah. Dont guys from NY/NJ call it 'pie' or something.
Effed if i know, over here a pie is about 6 inches wide and comes complimentary with sauce and 3rd degree burns.
Yeah. Dont guys from NY/NJ call it 'pie' or something.
Effed if i know, over here a pie is about 6 inches wide and comes complimentary with sauce and 3rd degree burns.
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Yep, it's pie, and nobody up here in the Southern Tier knows what it's <span style="font-style: italic">supposed</span> to be like. We just got an NJ refugee here in Dundee (<span style="font-style: italic">Godfather's</span>), and they make a decent slice.
Yep, it's pie, and nobody up here in the Southern Tier knows what it's <span style="font-style: italic">supposed</span> to be like. We just got an NJ refugee here in Dundee (<span style="font-style: italic">Godfather's</span>), and they make a decent slice.
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Here is my souvlaki recipe given to me by a Greek friend. You can use any tender meat, chicken, beef, pork or lamb
Ingredients
1 lemon, juiced
1/4 cup olive oil
1/4 cup soy sauce
1 teaspoon dried oregano
3 cloves garlic, crushed
4 pounds pork tenderloin, cut into 1 inch cubes
2 medium yellow onions, cut into 1 inch pieces
2 green bell peppers, cut into 1 inch pieces
skewers
Directions
1.In a large glass bowl, mix together lemon juice, olive oil, soy sauce, oregano, and garlic; add pork, onions, and green peppers, and stir to coat. Cover, and refrigerate for 2 to 3 hours.
2.Preheat grill for medium-high heat. Thread pork, peppers, and onions onto skewers.
3.Lightly oil grate. Cook for 10 to 15 minutes, or to desired doneness, turning skewers frequently for even cooking.
Put in a pita and you have a meal for on the go
Yiota, my friend also make her own gyros meat. Tastes as good at the rolled, pressed meat in the restaurants.
Ingredients:
•Meat Mixture:
•1 lb. ground lamb (or beef)
•1/4 cup minced red onion
•2 cloves garlic, minced
•2 tsp. salt
•1 tsp. black pepper
•1 1/2 tsp. cumin
•1/4 tsp. nutmeg
•1 tsp. dried oregano
•2 tsp. fresh lemon juice
•Sandwich:
•4 rounds of flat bread or pita.
•lettuce
•tomato; sliced
•Tzatziki Sauce
Preparation:
Meat mixture
1. Thoroughly combine all ingredients in a bowl.
2. Divide into four equal portions and shape into oblong patties about 3" wide, 6" long, 1/2" thick. Refrigerate for an hour.
Sandwich
3. Grill patties over a hot fire for 3 - 4 minutes per side.
4. Spread tzatziki sauce down the center of a flat bread round, add a lettuce leaf, add some diced tomato. Add the patty, fold the bread over the lamb, and enjoy
I guess I should also give you a recipe for the Tsatziki sauce:
Ingredients:
•1 cup plain yogurt (if you can find the extra-thick Greek yogurt it's best)
•4 garlic cloves; roasted and finely chopped (see below)
•1/2 lemon; juiced
•2 tsp. finely chopped mint
•1/4 cup finely chopped cucumber without seeds
•Salt to taste
Preparation:
1. Place whole, un-peeled garlic gloves in a small, un-oiled skillet over medium low heat and cook for about two minutes per side - until lightly browned. Peel and chop finely.
2. Combine all ingredients in a small bowl.
Enjoy. Get a bottle of Retsina and sit down for some fantastic food.
Here is my souvlaki recipe given to me by a Greek friend. You can use any tender meat, chicken, beef, pork or lamb
Ingredients
1 lemon, juiced
1/4 cup olive oil
1/4 cup soy sauce
1 teaspoon dried oregano
3 cloves garlic, crushed
4 pounds pork tenderloin, cut into 1 inch cubes
2 medium yellow onions, cut into 1 inch pieces
2 green bell peppers, cut into 1 inch pieces
skewers
Directions
1.In a large glass bowl, mix together lemon juice, olive oil, soy sauce, oregano, and garlic; add pork, onions, and green peppers, and stir to coat. Cover, and refrigerate for 2 to 3 hours.
2.Preheat grill for medium-high heat. Thread pork, peppers, and onions onto skewers.
3.Lightly oil grate. Cook for 10 to 15 minutes, or to desired doneness, turning skewers frequently for even cooking.
Put in a pita and you have a meal for on the go
Yiota, my friend also make her own gyros meat. Tastes as good at the rolled, pressed meat in the restaurants.
Ingredients:
•Meat Mixture:
•1 lb. ground lamb (or beef)
•1/4 cup minced red onion
•2 cloves garlic, minced
•2 tsp. salt
•1 tsp. black pepper
•1 1/2 tsp. cumin
•1/4 tsp. nutmeg
•1 tsp. dried oregano
•2 tsp. fresh lemon juice
•Sandwich:
•4 rounds of flat bread or pita.
•lettuce
•tomato; sliced
•Tzatziki Sauce
Preparation:
Meat mixture
1. Thoroughly combine all ingredients in a bowl.
2. Divide into four equal portions and shape into oblong patties about 3" wide, 6" long, 1/2" thick. Refrigerate for an hour.
Sandwich
3. Grill patties over a hot fire for 3 - 4 minutes per side.
4. Spread tzatziki sauce down the center of a flat bread round, add a lettuce leaf, add some diced tomato. Add the patty, fold the bread over the lamb, and enjoy
I guess I should also give you a recipe for the Tsatziki sauce:
Ingredients:
•1 cup plain yogurt (if you can find the extra-thick Greek yogurt it's best)
•4 garlic cloves; roasted and finely chopped (see below)
•1/2 lemon; juiced
•2 tsp. finely chopped mint
•1/4 cup finely chopped cucumber without seeds
•Salt to taste
Preparation:
1. Place whole, un-peeled garlic gloves in a small, un-oiled skillet over medium low heat and cook for about two minutes per side - until lightly browned. Peel and chop finely.
2. Combine all ingredients in a small bowl.
Enjoy. Get a bottle of Retsina and sit down for some fantastic food.
Re: Souvlaki, Greece's natural super-food
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: queequeg</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Remoah</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Haha. I swear i filled the thing out.
Melbourne, Australia. Fraknston to be specific, but i wouldnt go too much into that.
Pre sure Gyros is the meat... maybe it's one of those discrepencies in food naming between Aust and the rest of the world.
I'm pretty sure Greeks make the best food. Theres a place across the road from the local pub that does the best souvlaki, especially when you've had more than a few too many. Hits the spot. </div></div>
I think of it as a large Greek sausage! (Fuck off CKA!)
</div></div>
I would have edited that before posting myself as I was laughing my ass off
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: queequeg</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Remoah</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Haha. I swear i filled the thing out.
Melbourne, Australia. Fraknston to be specific, but i wouldnt go too much into that.
Pre sure Gyros is the meat... maybe it's one of those discrepencies in food naming between Aust and the rest of the world.
I'm pretty sure Greeks make the best food. Theres a place across the road from the local pub that does the best souvlaki, especially when you've had more than a few too many. Hits the spot. </div></div>
I think of it as a large Greek sausage! (Fuck off CKA!)
</div></div>
I would have edited that before posting myself as I was laughing my ass off
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RJW's recipe looks good as sin. I need to find some goat meat, and barring that lamb or pork and see what I can do with this.
A good friend of ours introduced us to Tzaziki about nine years ago. After finding it didn't have quite enough garlic we decided the perfect amount was somewhere around four heads. Just picture a metal bowl that holds about a half gallon or so, and a grill full of kebabs with lamb and pork and lots of beer.
We miss James and Ilona like mofo's. Great neighbors only come around once in a lifetime it seems.
Excellent recipes RJW, making me hungry. I think lamb will be the ticket as we just had 'Arabic' Pork chops last night. Used the basic Corriander, Pepper, Garlic, Cardomum, and Cumin which is found in many a goat stew in Arabic cooking and applied it to pork chops for the grill with a little Isreali cous cous
RJW's recipe looks good as sin. I need to find some goat meat, and barring that lamb or pork and see what I can do with this.
A good friend of ours introduced us to Tzaziki about nine years ago. After finding it didn't have quite enough garlic we decided the perfect amount was somewhere around four heads. Just picture a metal bowl that holds about a half gallon or so, and a grill full of kebabs with lamb and pork and lots of beer.
We miss James and Ilona like mofo's. Great neighbors only come around once in a lifetime it seems.
Excellent recipes RJW, making me hungry. I think lamb will be the ticket as we just had 'Arabic' Pork chops last night. Used the basic Corriander, Pepper, Garlic, Cardomum, and Cumin which is found in many a goat stew in Arabic cooking and applied it to pork chops for the grill with a little Isreali cous cous
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You guys can rave all you want about your recipes. My bet is, non of them are like Ma's Greek Home Cookin'.
You guys can rave all you want about your recipes. My bet is, non of them are like Ma's Greek Home Cookin'.
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Remoah</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Cos, two pound of gyros lamb and excessive amounts of onion is exactly what every man needs on a sunday night... </div></div>
Being Greek myself, absolute best Greek meal on the planet.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Remoah</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Cos, two pound of gyros lamb and excessive amounts of onion is exactly what every man needs on a sunday night... </div></div>
Being Greek myself, absolute best Greek meal on the planet.
Re: Souvlaki, Greece's natural super-food
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Switchblade</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: queequeg</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Remoah</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Haha. I swear i filled the thing out.
Melbourne, Australia. Fraknston to be specific, but i wouldnt go too much into that.
Pre sure Gyros is the meat... maybe it's one of those discrepencies in food naming between Aust and the rest of the world.
I'm pretty sure Greeks make the best food. Theres a place across the road from the local pub that does the best souvlaki, especially when you've had more than a few too many. Hits the spot. </div></div>
I think of it as a large Greek sausage! (Fuck off CKA!)
</div></div>
I would have edited that before posting myself as I was laughing my ass off </div></div>
I do what I can to boost morale!
I also copied RJW's recipes as they seem to have a little more "soul" than the generic "Cook book" varieties.
What an interesting thread!
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Switchblade</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: queequeg</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Remoah</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Haha. I swear i filled the thing out.
Melbourne, Australia. Fraknston to be specific, but i wouldnt go too much into that.
Pre sure Gyros is the meat... maybe it's one of those discrepencies in food naming between Aust and the rest of the world.
I'm pretty sure Greeks make the best food. Theres a place across the road from the local pub that does the best souvlaki, especially when you've had more than a few too many. Hits the spot. </div></div>
I think of it as a large Greek sausage! (Fuck off CKA!)
</div></div>
I would have edited that before posting myself as I was laughing my ass off </div></div>
I do what I can to boost morale!
I also copied RJW's recipes as they seem to have a little more "soul" than the generic "Cook book" varieties.
What an interesting thread!
Re: Souvlaki, Greece's natural super-food
this thread has given me an intense craving for some lamb
this thread has given me an intense craving for some lamb
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The recipes belong to our friend Yiota. Little lady from Greece who cooks a lamb on a spit every year for Greek Easter, in her back yard. Everything she makes is outstanding. You are right that the recipes have a little more soul and they have Yiota's love and heart in them.
The recipes belong to our friend Yiota. Little lady from Greece who cooks a lamb on a spit every year for Greek Easter, in her back yard. Everything she makes is outstanding. You are right that the recipes have a little more soul and they have Yiota's love and heart in them.
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QQ, this was funny as hell, It caused me to almost choke on my tea. Good work... I LMAO!
I to enjoy a good Gyro.
QQ, this was funny as hell, It caused me to almost choke on my tea. Good work... I LMAO!
I to enjoy a good Gyro.
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Like all the rest of my 'culteral' based recipes, everyone that I have is from someone who is from there and cooks food as it should be. If you want to learn to cook Korean, go to Korea or find some Koreans to teach you, same goes for Thai, Vietnamese, Chinese, Japanese, Mexican, Italian, German, French, or any other culteral food. The Tzaziki and SOuvlaki recipes we and our friends have came from a greek lady who was a Soldier's wife. We of course have adjusted garlic a bit in the Tzaziki. Same goes for the Pomegranite Garlic Leg of Lamb recipe we have for slow grillin.
As always, if you are going to cook, do it with the love of the food and with the respect for the culture it comes from so it is as authentic as possible. That 'Chinese Food' you had the other day, it ain't Chinese, it's been Americanized for your tastes by the Chinese people who served it to you from way back in the 30's. Chances are that most of those dishes are even American Chinese invented just for YOU(well your grandfather). You want authentic CHinese food, go to China town and find the smallest hole in the wall and sit down and ask for something to eat. Same goes for everything else
Like all the rest of my 'culteral' based recipes, everyone that I have is from someone who is from there and cooks food as it should be. If you want to learn to cook Korean, go to Korea or find some Koreans to teach you, same goes for Thai, Vietnamese, Chinese, Japanese, Mexican, Italian, German, French, or any other culteral food. The Tzaziki and SOuvlaki recipes we and our friends have came from a greek lady who was a Soldier's wife. We of course have adjusted garlic a bit in the Tzaziki. Same goes for the Pomegranite Garlic Leg of Lamb recipe we have for slow grillin.
As always, if you are going to cook, do it with the love of the food and with the respect for the culture it comes from so it is as authentic as possible. That 'Chinese Food' you had the other day, it ain't Chinese, it's been Americanized for your tastes by the Chinese people who served it to you from way back in the 30's. Chances are that most of those dishes are even American Chinese invented just for YOU(well your grandfather). You want authentic CHinese food, go to China town and find the smallest hole in the wall and sit down and ask for something to eat. Same goes for everything else
Re: Souvlaki, Greece's natural super-food
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: MEAT4272</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: queequeg</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I think of it as a large Greek sausage! (Fuck off CKA!)</div></div>
QQ, this was funny as hell, It caused me to almost choke on my tea. Good work... I LMAO!
I too enjoy a good Gyro. </div></div>
Anticipated a response from him on that! His name is meat!
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: MEAT4272</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: queequeg</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I think of it as a large Greek sausage! (Fuck off CKA!)</div></div>
QQ, this was funny as hell, It caused me to almost choke on my tea. Good work... I LMAO!
I too enjoy a good Gyro. </div></div>
Anticipated a response from him on that! His name is meat!
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: RJW</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Always glad to taste test...Every Greek I know has their own way of doing a recipe...so far everyone I have ever had is really good.
Does Ma ship? </div></div>
Ma's cookin is pick-up only. -----Well, some time she come to my house.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: RJW</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Always glad to taste test...Every Greek I know has their own way of doing a recipe...so far everyone I have ever had is really good.
Does Ma ship? </div></div>
Ma's cookin is pick-up only. -----Well, some time she come to my house.
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Lamb always reminded me of venison. Lamb isn’t very available around me and when it is it’s pricey. Venison is in the freezer. Venison Souvlaki! Venison from the backyard, tomatoes from the backyard, it doesn’t get much better.
Walt
Lamb always reminded me of venison. Lamb isn’t very available around me and when it is it’s pricey. Venison is in the freezer. Venison Souvlaki! Venison from the backyard, tomatoes from the backyard, it doesn’t get much better.
Walt
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RJW.
Cheers, i'm making that for dinner one night!
Speaking of greek-ish foods. Hummus dip, one of my fave bands posted this up and i had to save it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XTWKX2e8yvw
RJW.
Cheers, i'm making that for dinner one night!
Speaking of greek-ish foods. Hummus dip, one of my fave bands posted this up and i had to save it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XTWKX2e8yvw
