SR-25, am I buying a name or true performance?

[RickyRodney]

So huge fan of the URX 3.1 and have asked questions about building a clone or more likely clone-ish rifle before. Current plan (Adjustable GB, OPS inc can, toolcraft or KAK BCG, dual plunger ejector Rock or Krieger barrel.) vs SR-25 APR 20". I would like to hear from anyone that has an experience with these rifles. Is there anything that makes them truly more reliable or more accurate than a custom build AR10 with quality parts? It would be cool to have a knights product but is the premium is steep.

 

[Strykervet]

Hey there!

To answer your question in short: Both. It's a premium for the name, but it's also a quality product. It's the fact it's proprietary that makes it a bit different. It looks like an AR and basically is an AR, but most of the action has been changed. It's sort of apples and oranges.

There are people that buy SR's and then fill in the receiver and have it recut to say "M110" and then they'll proceed to replace the URX4 tube, barrel, stock and other parts and once they have $10,000 in it they'll have a reasonable facsimile of an M110 (then they find out they could have called KAC and bought an M110 with deployment kit for the same price!).

No way I'd build one to copy it, but a new rifle? Yeah, it's one of my favorites. But guys on here have REPR's, GAP's, Larue, etc., as well as custom and/or upgraded this or that. They all shoot under 1 MOA and all cost a similar price, some may even be as reliable. When you consider that and the fact it's a proprietary rifle, then it either makes it worth more or less, depending on how you view the proprietary parts. And you can build a lot of rifle for $4000.

But attention to detail, quality, it's all there. Barrel is cut rifled, brake REALLY works if you have one, suppressor is probably the "best all around" I've used or have (true QD and self indexing) trigger group is on par with Geissele, BCG is reliable, the lower is ambi and made that way, not an afterthought. The flip sights are IMO the best out there. There is no junk on the rifle and nothing was overlooked. The LMT stock on a 20" rifle may seem odd but it grows on you and is actually a pretty smart idea. URX 4 essentially turns the upper into a monolithic, more or less.

Here's some KAC porn for the meantime. USO 3.2-17x behind a KAC PVS 30, Atlas bipod.

 

[RickyRodney]

Thats a serious piece of kit you have there. Its basically the response I expected and thank you very much for your input. I might have to spring for the SR-25. It doesn't sound like I would be disappointed with the rifle. I have read other threads and people in the know seem to highly recommend a factory large frame AR over a built large frame, and this has been my primary motivation for considering one. Thanks for posting Rudy......

PS nice PEQ-2 you got there. (fixed)

 

[deersniper]

POF is mo better.

 

[mudpig]

I built an SASS clone with Aero upper/lower and barrel and guts from DPMS with a Jard trigger. FGMM 175gr it will hold 1/2 MOA or better all day!

 

[RTH1800]

You are buying a name. A very good name.
You will get reliability, resale value, excellent design, uniformly high quality materials, good to very good accuracy. You will have a rifle you can field strip and repair in the dark without tools. (I have done it just to verify it. Nothing broke.)

When time to sell arrives you will get the perpetual complainers who cuss the product, the company and the founder.

Then someone will quietly send you payment and an FFL.

 

[Jcgodfrey]

This is true. The older ones ebb and flow but always hold a lot of value. I just sold an Unfired ECC for $6800.

You are buying a name. A very good name.
You will get reliability, resale value, excellent design, uniformly high quality materials, good to very good accuracy. You will have a rifle you can field strip and repair in the dark without tools. (I have done it just to verify it. Nothing broke.)

When time to sell arrives you will get the perpetual complainers who cuss the product, the company and the founder.

Then someone will quietly send you payment and an FFL.

 

[Primus]

POF is mo better.
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Lay off the crackpipe

 

[Primus]

It really depends what you want to do, what you want to use the rifle for,ect. Let me preface this by saying I'm a KAC nut. I am going to make some assumptions here.


Now lets start with the obvious, .308 is an obsolete caliber for long range, specifically long range anti personnel work. If you want this as a long range, (600+) reach out and touch a mother fucker, then .308 is the wrong choice. 6.5CM is where it is. While we are at it, velocity is king so you are looking at least at a 20"+ barrel plus can. In this scenario, then a SR-25 ECR or equivalent in 6.5CM would be a hard rifle to beat. Another alternative would be a LMT in 6.5 at a lower cost.

Now when it comes to .308 Large frame Ar's , KAC is the Father the Son and the Holy Spirit. They brought the platform back from the dead with the help of Eugene Stoner, and are responsible for 99% of the product you see today. Everyone else has just ridden their backs and continued their R&D. Note I say Large Frame AR's. Now when looking at carbine, while they make fantastic weapons, its hard to beat the SCAR17 for that purpose. IF you are not looking at a long range , where you need a little more accuracy, the SCAR17 owns the AR in the under 600 yard battle space. It is lighter, has less recoil is just as if not more reliable, has better mounting , more compact has will hold right around 1MOA with match ammo. The nod goes to KAC's cut rifle barrel accuracy but we are talking .1"s in difference. You can probably wring even more accuracy out of something like a JP, but its just not going to have the durability and reliability of the SR25.

As much as I love KAC (and I own a bunch of them) , the SCAR17 has it beat in 90% of intended uses.

Now if you want to stroll down memory lane, want a bad ass gun with a ton of history or something that is just cool as fuck, pick up a SR-25 in any flavor. They really are great machines. if you don't already own a SR-15 (the real magic), then you need to get one of those as well. Old School MK11's like the ranger regiment and SF used to use are some of the sexiest rifles every built. The 3.1URX is one of the best rail systems ever made and its hard to go wrong with one. Just keep in mind by the time you piece together all the parts, you could buy a factory gun for not much more that will actually perform like a factory KAC and will hold value like no other rifle.

Let me know if you have any questions.

 

[RickyRodney]

Well I already have a SCAR 17. I was going to build a 6.5 off my Seekins builders kit, and then buy a SR-25. I agree anything KAC, is cool as fuck, but I'm not exactly operator as fuck. So its still tough pill to swallow for my priced pieced together large frame system being about $1200 than the cheapest used SR-25 APR I have seen with a rail system that I do not want. So I'm still on the fence, and may wait for more liquid funds before I spring for an SR-25, when between a precision commercial AR10 and the SCAR17 I have that niche filled in my collection.

 

[Primus]

Yea the ECR/APR or an old MK11 are the only ones that I would buy today.

http://www.smallarmsales.com/product-p/31198.htm

http://www.smallarmsales.com/SR-25-E2-APR-20-Heavy-Barrel-URX-4-M-LOK-p/31961.htm

 

[deersniper]

Lay off the crackpipe

POF is lighter and more accurate. lowlight said his POF 308 either 16 or 14.5" is the most accurate semi 308 he has shot

*talking about earlier POFs with rock barrels and Gisselle triggers. I understand the newer ones have gone to shit

 

[Unknown]

With rifles like GA Precision, KAC and JP, (and a number of other top quality builders) you are buying BOTH reputation and performance. Only you can decide whether the name and performance justifies the price. A very accurate, reliable rifle may (but may not) be built or bought for less money, but it is sort of a crap shoot on whether that rifle will have the performance and reliability of the big name rifle builders.

The top notch builders work very hard to gain a reputation for reliability and accuracy, and their reputation greatly helps a rifle maintain it's resale value. By building a rifle with top quality parts, and paying attention to the little details, many "Frankenguns" can shoot surprisingly well, but they won't have the resale value of a factory built rifle from a builder with an excellent reputation. A frankengun built with top quality parts, may cost $2250-$3000 to build, but someone would be doing well to get half of that money back on a resale. Factory built rifles from quality builders hold their value better than frankenguns.

I have both factory built rifles, and frankenguns in my inventory. Building a rifle from scratch with exactly the parts you want is fun, but it is like building hot rod cars, boats, pistols and other custom items in that resale value takes a very hard hit compared to factory built items. It all depends on what you want.

 

[MontanaMan]

You are buying a name. A very good name.
You will get reliability, resale value, excellent design, uniformly high quality materials, good to very good accuracy. You will have a rifle you can field strip and repair in the dark without tools. (I have done it just to verify it. Nothing broke.)

When time to sell arrives you will get the perpetual complainers who cuss the product, the company and the founder.

Then someone will quietly send you payment and an FFL.

I own 3 KAC rifles.............the above says it as good as any.

MM

 

[SLG]

Well, I guess I'll have to dissent a little. I have an SR-15, it is the best AR I've ever had, and I am a hard core Colt M4 guy.

I currently have an M110 issued, and had a MK11 in the past, also issued. They are both very cool guns, but neither comes close to the accuracy or reliability of my issued larue. Neither do/did any of the other 16 KAC 308's within my immediate circle.

I have shot some newer ones that were more accurate and seemed a fair bit more reliable, but truthfully, I wasn't paying that much attention to their actual configuration. I have friends who do that for me;-)

 

[RickyRodney]

Well, I guess I'll have to dissent a little. I have an SR-15, it is the best AR I've ever had, and I am a hard core Colt M4 guy.

I currently have an M110 issued, and had a MK11 in the past, also issued. They are both very cool guns, but neither comes close to the accuracy or reliability of my issued larue. Neither do/did any of the other 16 KAC 308's within my immediate circle.

I have shot some newer ones that were more accurate and seemed a fair bit more reliable, but truthfully, I wasn't paying that much attention to their actual configuration. I have friends who do that for me;-)

So in your experience your saying that the large you had has been more accurate AND more reliable? Interesting.

 

[TheGerman]

POF is mo better.
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Go be poor somewhere else.

 

[SLG]

So in your experience your saying that the large you had has been more accurate AND more reliable? Interesting.

I have had access to fewer Larue than KAC's. All of them though, were more accurate and more reliable. Also, the Larue is much easier to shoot well, and shoots more like a bolt gun, fwiw. The KAC takes some practice to get the most out of it. I forget what the number is, but KAC told me what the guns should be capable of, and it wasn't particularly precise. Now in fairness, these were from about 8 years ago, and I'm told the current Larue offerings are not as good, and like I said, I think the current KAC offerings are better then they used to be.

My SR-15 is a functional work of art, and also shoots .75 moa very easily. I like KAC, and I know they can make good stuff.

I just don't personally think the MK11's and M110's are all that. They do the job, but not much more then that.

 

[RickyRodney]

I have had access to fewer Larue than KAC's. All of them though, were more accurate and more reliable. Also, the Larue is much easier to shoot well, and shoots more like a bolt gun, fwiw. The KAC takes some practice to get the most out of it. I forget what the number is, but KAC told me what the guns should be capable of, and it wasn't particularly precise. Now in fairness, these were from about 8 years ago, and I'm told the current Larue offerings are not as good, and like I said, I think the current KAC offerings are better then they used to be.

My SR-15 is a functional work of art, and also shoots .75 moa very easily. I like KAC, and I know they can make good stuff.

I just don't personally think the MK11's and M110's are all that. They do the job, but not much more then that.

I hear similar that the KAC offerings are improved and Larue hasn't been perfect. It still definitely takes the "magic," of KAC down a notch. A knights rep on AR15.com said the SR-25 doesn't come with an accuracy guarantee and 1.3 moa or less is the specification, when responding to a member complaining his sr-25 wasn't a .5 Moa gun.

 

[MontanaMan]

The standard SR-25 is not necessarily intended as a "precision" rifle nor are the 16" & shorter SR-15's which are chrome lined barrels. No experience with the M110A2 which is the precision version of the 7.62, but I do have the precision version of the SR-15 with a Kreiger barrel & it's a sub MOA rifle.

 

[deersniper]

Wasn't that long ago and people were bitching about loose kac Suppressors messing up poi and also rifle reliability problems. LL would also recount the problems from his classes

 

[SLG]

I hear similar that the KAC offerings are improved and Larue hasn't been perfect. It still definitely takes the "magic," of KAC down a notch. A knights rep on AR15.com said the SR-25 doesn't come with an accuracy guarantee and 1.3 moa or less is the specification, when responding to a member complaining his sr-25 wasn't a .5 Moa gun.

1.3" sounds right to me. I have had examples that shot sub moa most of the time, but gilt edge precision is not part of the package. I even had a 14.5" version that shot sub moa, but again, I don't think anyone expects that.

The truth is, no large frame AR is really there just yet. It is still an evolving platform. Some are fairly precise, others are fairly reliable. Some are more robust than others. Pick which direction you want to go;-) The KAC stuff does a very good job of balancing those things, but you can't please everyone. I have no doubt that the industry will crack that nut eventually, and some guys are finally looking outside the basic recipe in order to make them better. Seekins looks promising, JP as well as others too. But, until these guns make it through a legit procurement and are fielded in numbers, they will always be samples of one.

BTW, just to be super clear, I'm not in any way throwing stones at any of these guns or companies. I have long time friends at many of them, and I know how hard they are working to make these guns really fantastic. The M4 as we know it today was a long time in coming, and it didn't just spring forth working great. That's without even trying to get any precision out of them.

Remember when everyone tried to get a .40 to go out of a 9mm? Very different mechanics to the AR/5.56/7.62 issue, but a similar idea, if you get my point.

If the money isn't an issue, I'd be very happy to own a personal MK11 or varient. I just wouldn't try to win any KYL stages with it;-)

 

[RickyRodney]

Yes I see exactly what you are saying, I think I'm trying to have my cake and eat it too hoping the KAC to be a well sub moa gun, and gun through the dirt and grime no matter what and realistically its a balance of tolerances and its just not exactly feasible. I also really like the barrel/upper/handguard design that Seekins uses. It seems much more solid, and I wish the knights used a similar design. I'm sure it will outshoot me and if anyone can maximize it, its KAC, not sure what I want to do. And to clarify I was referring specifically to the the sr-25 20" apr which has a 20" cut rifled kreiger. I got some great info, I just need to decide.

 

[Primus]

Alot of the issues with kac issued guns was fixed or a result of the army getting what it asked for. The old kac 2 stages were problematic but have since been fixed. The m110 suppressor is a piece of shit that the army wanted. They also wanted that abomination of an adjustable full length stock that is impossible to shoot with body armor if u don't have gorrilla arms. The list goes on. KAC tried to sway them to something else but they wouldn't listen If you want a KAC gun I would look for something that has a cut rifle barrel with newer features like the E2 and uses a quality modern can. I do wish they had an adjustable gas block but it is what it is. Right now I would probably take a lmt mws in 6.5 creedmoor over a new ECR or APR at over $1000 less. KAC is a rich mans game and barrel swaps get expensive fast.

 

[jamescj]

My mk11 is one of my favorite guns I have ever shot. I have the matching suppressor for it, and the Leupold Mk4 scope. I have since outfitted it with the magpul PRS stock which makes it a lot more comfortable and way more adjustable. KAC products have a reputation. My rifle shoots under 3/4 MOA with the correct loads. The one thing I will say is that you need to shoot proper 7.62 ammo. The SR25 can be picky on which ammo it will run. But then again if you bought a 911 you wouldn't want to put cheap gas in it; so the same principle applies here. But I believe it's worth every penny. Any long range precision gun can cost a lot. The KAC guns may not be the most custom guns ever but they work. The fit and finish is great. PM me if you have any questions.

 

[JeffLebowski]

KAC is making 6.5CM uppers now and with Jack Leuba working there, I expect they will shoot quite well. He’s certainly doing well at matches using KAC rifles.

 

[mgrs]

Yes I see exactly what you are saying, I think I'm trying to have my cake and eat it too hoping the KAC to be a well sub moa gun, and gun through the dirt and grime no matter what and realistically its a balance of tolerances and its just not exactly feasible. I also really like the barrel/upper/handguard design that Seekins uses. It seems much more solid, and I wish the knights used a similar design. I'm sure it will outshoot me and if anyone can maximize it, its KAC, not sure what I want to do. And to clarify I was referring specifically to the the sr-25 20" apr which has a 20" cut rifled kreiger. I got some great info, I just need to decide.

I think the kind of performance you seek is realistic with a new production APR. I think it would be too much to ask of an ACC, but that is not what it was designed for.

I had an EC with the cut-rifled krieger barrel that came with a .56" 5 round test target and continued to provide realistic sub moa performance while I owned it. It shot consistently tighter than a newer production PredatOBR but didn't quite touch an older OBR with Lothar Walther barrel.

 

[Primus]

KAC is making 6.5CM uppers now and with Jack Leuba working there, I expect they will shoot quite well. He’s certainly doing well at matches using KAC rifles.

@3500 an upper if you can even find one, assuming you already have a SR-25.....is a tough pill to swallow

 

[TheGerman]

@3500 an upper if you can even find one, assuming you already have a SR-25.....is a tough pill to swallow

I've been waiting for one to switch out my M110K1 upper with and shoot 6.5 out of a semi. Even have a damn scope sitting around waiting for one.

 

[deersniper]

You can get a complete 6.5 SP10 for $2500. $1800 with a coupon. I don't see the value there.

 

[Blackfoot 7]

OP, I'm a big fan of KAC rifles, I currently own and have owned several (not to mention plenty of other parts/components and accessories they manufacture), and regrettably sold a couple I should've held on to. Nevertheless, when you buy a KAC rifle, you're investing in Stoner's legacy, and a company who has been on the cutting edge and pushing the upper limits of the AR platform's capability in both their standard and large frame systems. The rifles incorporate a number of innovative features that increase reliability and improves performance. KAC also retains it's value, even when the market is in a slump, and it's not uncommon to find rare or discontinued parts/components or complete rifles selling double what they originally sold for. With regards to the SR25, I do enjoy shooting it more than the SCAR and the newer URX4 equipped ACC variant is lightweight and balances better than any rifle in it's class. Add a MAMS muzzle device and you're smacking steel all day with ease. I use my LMT MWS for more precision oriented shooting, and ease of swapping out a 6.5CM barrel.

I'm actually in the market for the newly released 14.5 CC upper receiver and will be listing my 16" ACC upper for sale. You can get an Aero Precision American Defense Mfg. (ADM), LMT or Mega lower receiver for it and essentially get into the SR25 game at good price. Shoot me note if interested.

 

[redneckbmxer24]

KAC’s are the best large frame guns money gun buy. Period.

No you’re not just paying for a name, they really are that good. If you compare what other top tier rifles cost (plenty in the $3k+ Range) they really aren’t that badly priced. You aren’t going to get a deal on one like you can some other rifles though. Even right now when the market is slow you’re most likely going to pay retail if you can even find what you want sitting on the shelf. The good news is that if you ever go to sell it you aren’t going to lose any money.

 

[Mike_Honcho]

OP, I'm a big fan of KAC rifles, I currently own and have owned several (not to mention plenty of other parts/components and accessories they manufacture), and regrettably sold a couple I should've held on to. Nevertheless, when you buy a KAC rifle, you're investing in Stoner's legacy, and a company who has been on the cutting edge and pushing the upper limits of the AR platform's capability in both their standard and large frame systems. The rifles incorporate a number of innovative features that increase reliability and improves performance. KAC also retains it's value, even when the market is in a slump, and it's not uncommon to find rare or discontinued parts/components or complete rifles selling double what they originally sold for. With regards to the SR25, I do enjoy shooting it more than the SCAR and the newer URX4 equipped ACC variant is lightweight and balances better than any rifle in it's class. Add a MAMS muzzle device and you're smacking steel all day with ease. I use my LMT MWS for more precision oriented shooting, and ease of swapping out a 6.5CM barrel.

I'm actually in the market for the newly released 14.5 CC upper receiver and will be listing my 16" ACC upper for sale. You can get an Aero Precision, LMT or Mega lower receiver for it and essentially get into the SR25 game at good price. Shoot me note if interested.

Wait...what? Are trying to say that a KAC SR25 Upper will fit on anything other than are SR25 lower?

If that is the case then why am I thinking that I am limited to either a striped SR25 upper @ $700ish or a Genesis Upper to build my own 6.5 with an adj block?

FWIW I have an older EMR 20” that shoots 3/4 or slightly better. The KAC 2 stage was yarded out for a Geissele, and I have switched back from a PRS b/c it is a heavy pig. I've shot it to 850 and it’s a hoot. It is also loud. I had it threaded but it is over gassed with my current single point can. I recently changed out my ejector spring, and was surprised to see that was noticeably shorter and bent to the point of mucho f*d up / less effective. I have an SF can @ 60 days out, I am hopeful that makes all the difference.

If I build a 6.5, I want an adj block; f’ing with heavy buffers and springs is BS.

That said, I have an old switch block from Noveske that has been shot to seizure, so it can all be a pain.

While I have not shot a new dual ejector SR25, I think it SLG is right - none of them are 100%, can on, can off, clean, dirty + sub minute day in and day out. However, rigged right and running - that’s a good time.

My favorite rifle is the Mod1 LPR - sans trigger, it is perfect; and there is no finer gp than a 16” mod 2 - IMHO.

 

[Blackfoot 7]

Wait...what? Are trying to say that a KAC SR25 Upper will fit on anything other than are SR25 lower?

Yes. The LMT MWS, ADM UIC-10A, MEGA Maten 308, and Centurion Arms is currently doing a limited run of SR25 compatible lower receivers. I misspoke when I mentioned Aero Precision. I meant to say ADM.

 

[JWG]

So huge fan of the URX 3.1 and have asked questions about building a clone or more likely clone-ish rifle before. Current plan (Adjustable GB, OPS inc can, toolcraft or KAK BCG, dual plunger ejector Rock or Krieger barrel.) vs SR-25 APR 20". I would like to hear from anyone that has an experience with these rifles. Is there anything that makes them truly more reliable or more accurate than a custom build AR10 with quality parts? It would be cool to have a knights product but is the premium is steep.

I had an SR25 ACC MLOK. I feel like I paid for refinement, proprietary parts, great fit and finish. I soon lost interest and sold it due to it being a very ho-hum shooter. Someday I'll get a .308, but I want something I trust to shoot at 200+ yards for deer, etc. The ACC was more of a <100yd weapon for me. It would hose beautifully. Very low recoil.

 

[JohnDeereGuy1996]

I’m as big of a kac fan there is. But both of my sr25s I’ve owned went back to knights for things that shouldn’t have passed final inspection. Neither would run reliably whatsoever. Now the sr15s I’ve had are a different story.

With that said some day I’ll own another

 

[Strykervet]

IMO, you should get the 6.5CM version because you say you have the SCAR 17 already and it's "good enough" really. For what it is, what it does, it's good enough. An SR25 .308 would be more accurate but otherwise it'd be about the same thing, and if you got the 16" or even the cut rifled and chromed 16" it'd still be similar in use to the SCAR. The 6.5CM, that's a different animal. It's got what, a 22" cut rifle bbl.? Badass. I probably would have got that one if I'd known about it. That one isn't your SCAR or a .308, it's got some range.

So get the KAC SR25 6.5CM 22" and the mags and cleaning kit w/bolt parts and go from there. I doubt you'll be sorry. You'll have an awesome, well built, accurate and reliable semi 6.5CM rifle and not another .308. You'll also be the envy of the 'Hide, everyone will drool over that motherfucker, it's easily the coolest thing to come out of KAC in a while. I was shocked they did it, wish they'd done it before I got mine!

If you're vet, military, active or disabled or retired, call 'em and see if they'll give you a military account so you can buy direct and save some money. It takes longer that way, they move kinda slow, but you'll get your rifle and other stuff and it's worth it to wait a couple weeks longer to save the money.

Good luck.

Oh, you might have seen the HK kits. Stay the fuck away from those, you're much better off getting one of these. Unless you wanna drop the coin for a complete, factory built HK and can get it in the configuration you want. But those cost even more than the SR25 (and it's also just another .308 like your SCAR too). And they don't come in 6.5CM.

 

[VegasHKShooter]

I feel like I can contribute a little here. I was the proud owner of a Daniel Defense DD5V1. It shot very well, sub MOA for multiple groups. Made hits out as far as a .308 could. I even competed with it in a gas gun PRS match. Topped with a NF SHV 4-14 F1, it was a damn fine rifle. Then, my buddy introduced me to KAC, and it was a different game. The level of refinement was completely different. The gas tube being threaded on like a brake line, the beautiful way KAC handles the Ambi controls. The trigger is as good as any Geiselle I’ve EVER shot (all my guns have Geiselle too, so I own 5 or so). The barrel being a cut rifled, 5R, 1/10 twist, then chrome lined. The bolt with the enhancements, the dual ejectors, the Sand Cutter BCG. All the little things that go together to make the system better than the sum of the parts. I thought I was perfectly happy and content with the DD, and truth be told, it is a fine gun. I would say it’s the difference in a Ford F-150 work truck with carpeted seats and rubber mats vs a F-350 diesel King Ranch edition with leather everything. Both will get you there, one just has so many more amenities.

I sold my DD to a buddy as his first big boy AR. He absolutely doesn’t care about the differences. He’s super content with the DD5V1, as I was when I got it.

Is there a perception of exclusivity with the KAC? Maybe, I don’t know, there probably is. I didn’t buy it for that. I bought it because it is the finest battle rifle/ DMR weapon that I have ever handled. The symmetry of the entire gun comes together to make it an experience. I have put about 300 rounds down range in 2 weeks. I’ve hit targets out to 880yds. That’s a hell of a poke with a 16” “Carbine”. I love the gun, and don’t have a single regret about spending the money.

Just me, and one guy’s opinion.

 

[Blackfoot 7]

I’m as big of a kac fan there is. But both of my sr25s I’ve owned went back to knights for things that shouldn’t have passed final inspection. Neither would run reliably whatsoever. Now the sr15s I’ve had are a different story.

With that said some day I’ll own another

What generation or which particular model SR25? Can you elaborate a bit on what QC issues you experienced? Did KAC resolve the issues?

 

[JohnDeereGuy1996]

Had an ecc and an acc. Both had gas issues. They keys were leaking and on one the tube was drilled to small also. Kac took care of it but for 5k rifle I expected it to have zero issues.

 

[Qazwsx]

one plus is that if you ever sell youll get almost all of your money back

 

[Jnkbigslick]

I hear similar that the KAC offerings are improved and Larue hasn't been perfect. It still definitely takes the "magic," of KAC down a notch. A knights rep on AR15.com said the SR-25 doesn't come with an accuracy guarantee and 1.3 moa or less is the specification, when responding to a member complaining his sr-25 wasn't a .5 Moa gun.

For what it’s worth, the Larue PredatOBR’s I bought shot .685” and .494” in 260 Rem and 223 Rem. Both purchased in the last nine months. I couldn’t be happier. Unless those numbers were .250” or better I guess.

 

[TheGerman]

one plus is that if you ever sell youll get almost all of your money back

But your balls with be gone forever.

 

[samnev]

Strykervet,
Quote " (then they find out they could have called KAC and bought an M110 with deployment kit for the same price!)." where did you find a an M110 with the deployment case for 10K. It's my understanding they only brought in a dozen or so and the've been long gone and sold for a few K more than 10k.? Just wondering.

 

[hitman]

Brownells is selling just the uppers now. I have alot of time on one as well. We used them as our DMR guns for several years. I will say they ran like tops but I will also say they are not the most accurate AR-10 type rifle I ever shot. You were super lucky to get any of them to group 1". Most of them were 1 1/2" guns. But, we also only shot M118 ammo. So, maybe with handloads or different ammo they would perform better. I never owned one as my personal rifle.

 

[The King]

Shot most of the big frame ars more than a lot. We had to dispose of 125k rounds of m118lr that a distributor delivered on accident and didn’t want shipped back.

I now own a Jp LRP07. I consider it the pinnacle gun in this space, and it has never jammed even in 6.5cm

 

[Numb_Skull]

Anyone here get in on a DSR? I emailed KAC and they said only a few were released to the public. Got my name on the list for the 30 whenever they start making those.

 

[Mj30wilson900]

Lay off the crackpipe

I agree in theory the pof has a lot of advancements but I have found the roller cam pinto fail in adverse conditions. E2 chamber I can’t tell the difference. I hunt deer i swamps and marsh. Picture duck hunters hunting deer. The guns get muddy and wet and banged up. Pof 308 had more problems and the billet reciever has sharper not rounded edges. Sr25 cost more but keeps on truckin. Not saying pof is terrible but not on same playing field as sr25 or lmt news.

 

[RUTGERS95]

Hey there!

To answer your question in short: Both. It's a premium for the name, but it's also a quality product. It's the fact it's proprietary that makes it a bit different. It looks like an AR and basically is an AR, but most of the action has been changed. It's sort of apples and oranges.

There are people that buy SR's and then fill in the receiver and have it recut to say "M110" and then they'll proceed to replace the URX4 tube, barrel, stock and other parts and once they have $10,000 in it they'll have a reasonable facsimile of an M110 (then they find out they could have called KAC and bought an M110 with deployment kit for the same price!).

No way I'd build one to copy it, but a new rifle? Yeah, it's one of my favorites. But guys on here have REPR's, GAP's, Larue, etc., as well as custom and/or upgraded this or that. They all shoot under 1 MOA and all cost a similar price, some may even be as reliable. When you consider that and the fact it's a proprietary rifle, then it either makes it worth more or less, depending on how you view the proprietary parts. And you can build a lot of rifle for $4000.

But attention to detail, quality, it's all there. Barrel is cut rifled, brake REALLY works if you have one, suppressor is probably the "best all around" I've used or have (true QD and self indexing) trigger group is on par with Geissele, BCG is reliable, the lower is ambi and made that way, not an afterthought. The flip sights are IMO the best out there. There is no junk on the rifle and nothing was overlooked. The LMT stock on a 20" rifle may seem odd but it grows on you and is actually a pretty smart idea. URX 4 essentially turns the upper into a monolithic, more or less.

Here's some KAC porn for the meantime. USO 3.2-17x behind a KAC PVS 30, Atlas bipod.

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I think this is a solid post but I'd add that LMT (better functionality with barrel swapping and same to marginally better accuracy with the SS tubes) is in the same discussion with the rest being more of custom type offering (JP, GAP etc..) At least in my experience, that is, between the KAC and LMT rifles. I think the price difference is where people need to assess. Are you buying KAC to say I have KAC or is truly performance because the latter is surpassed by others at cheaper offerings.

great looking stick by the way

 

[RUTGERS95]

The standard SR-25 is not necessarily intended as a "precision" rifle nor are the 16" & shorter SR-15's which are chrome lined barrels. No experience with the M110A2 which is the precision version of the 7.62, but I do have the precision version of the SR-15 with a Kreiger barrel & it's a sub MOA rifle.

to be fair, very few gas guns are true precision. I think in the class (high end large frame gas guns) .7ish moa should be the standard imho